OT: Job offer pulled as a result of salary negotiation
Trying to take advantage of the multitude of expertise from the users of the site, especially those in hiring positions and/or HR to see if there is any experience with this kind of thing.
Disclaimer: job is a union position with no room to negotiate advancement beyond the union-negotiated contract pay step schedule. It is possible, however, to be placed at different levels when hired.
Long story longer: I applied for a position, went though 2 rounds of interviews and was clearly the #1 candidate from the start and throughout the process. Ref. checks and Xscripts already done (no issues there). I get a call from the HR director who offers the position with the starting salary and wants 48hrs for me to respond. I am pretty content with the job I have (wasn't even looking for a new position but was asked by an acquaintance to apply to the new position). I ask about flexibility re: starting salary and she mentions that in some circumstances she could get approval but likely not in this case. She ends an email later that night reiterating the offer. I respond to the email explaining my additional years of unique experience and how I'm interested in the position but would like consideration for those additional years beyond their initial offer. I basically ask for 13-15% more than what they offered which I thought left a decent window to meet somewhere in the middle.
Maybe I was to forward/firm in the email, but HR director lady responds to me by rescinding the offer b/c they "have a deliberate recuitment and selection process and we would not want to be put in a situation or have you in a situation where you are unhappy with your employment opportunity." I was pretty shocked. At worst, I thought she'd just say,"no, we can't do that please have your decision re: the original offer by the agreed upon timeline."
Now, the main person who actually interviewed me (twice) and made the decision to select me, set up interviews, call my references, check all my documents, etc. was pretty shocked that the HR person essentially trumped her and the entire hiring process. Everything I've seen on the web, reddit, some others I know were pretty confused too. The more I think about it, I'm starting to consider it pretty unprofessional behavior on the HR director's part to rescind an offer just b/c I attempted to negotial starting salary placement, but moreso that she singlehandedly trumped the entire hiring process at this place. I mean, instead of all these questions the committee asked me across 2 rounds of interviews, they could have just cut to the chase and asked me if I'd take $XX,000 dollars with no questions asked. What a complete waste of time.
I guess my questions are, 1) any experiece with salary negotiation resulting in pulled offers of employment? 2) anyone in hiring/HR have any explanation for this? 3) any recommendation about how I should follow up?
I have no criminal history, all references were checked, called and verified prior to the HR office taking over the process. I'm kind of at a loss, but it's really no big deal b/c like I said I am pretty content with my current position. Everything I've heard/read is that you should always negotiate starting salary in a professional manner, stating the reasons for your worth to the company and your excitement for the position, which I thought is what I did. Thanks in advance for indulging in the discussion.
But my advice is stay away from this company. They are a-holes, and you probably don't want to work for them. Since you already have a job that you are OK with, just chalk this one up to "a-holes will be a-holes" and move on.
This is great advice. Companies that are cheap and inflexible with prospective hires are usually (and this is going to come as a shock) cheap and inflexible with their employees.
I didn't down vote you. I've upvoted almost everyone in the thread including ipposing view points, fyi
with the position getting delayed or cut. HR could use the excuse of the salary issue to cut the candidate free. Either way, it is bush league and likely better avoided.
I had an interview many years ago. At the end, the HR person sat down with me for another half hour to get my impression of the day. The entire time we were talking, she was busily writing notes on her note pad while never once looking down at her notes. That's an amazing skill. Either that, or she was just writing jibberish to look like she was doing something.
Or just take her Swingline stapler, and the problem may just take care of itself.
This deserves more recognition. Bravo.
How do you know the response of the person who interviewed you?
how do you know that you were the most qualified person for the job (of those interviewed)?
I received the 1st offer and they contacted me first to set of interviews, contacted my references within hours of my interviews, and having talked to my references they gave me a very good indication I was the top candidate.
I think there was a solid internal candidate who I'm sure would take the job for whatever they offer and do well. nbd.
of being over qualfied and letting your prospective employer know as much.
after the offer was pulled by HR lady, I called the head of the interview committee to thank her for the opportunity, the give her posititve feedback about the people I met and the high quality process and to tell her the HR lady pulled the offer b/c I tried to negotiate.
If you're still curious, write to Ask A Manager. That lady knows everything about HR and she gives very good advice.
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where do you watch games these days? I knew Sangria was a big Michigan spot but I think American Junkie is now a hardcore buckeye bar.
I occasionally watched at Sangria, then American Junkie, then GameChangers. With 3 kids and 2 under age 5, though, more often than not I watched at home with little ones underfoot and a six pack of Stone and a growler from Strand.
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Yes, please, by all means twist the knife.
I'll take solace in the knowledge that my kids are growing up with their grandparents around, and get to spend football Saturdays in Ann Arbor.
And I'll try to forget that it's 73 and sunny in Hermosa when it's minus 24 in January in Ann Arbor.
We're deep into May gray with June gloom right around the corner. SoCal seasons are strange.
That's why I said January.
I know full well the dreariness of May Gray and June Gloom. I lived west of PCH (and for about half the time I lived there, west of Loma), well inside the marine layer.
Out of town friends were always shocked when I told them to visit in March or April instead of May or June, because the weather's better outside of May/June..
You are content with your current job and they couldn't meet your salary requirements to change. If you were hoping that they would negotiate a higher wage to 'meet you in the middle', then unfortunately it looks like you misread the HR person.
Given the way this went down, would you really want to work there if they gave you 6-7% more than the typical starting salary? Consider it a lesson learned and a bullet dodged.
I guess the analogy is that he's already got a date to prom and a buddy asks him to ask out his friend. His buddy's friend isn't any better than his date but maybe she'll put out; he makes his play and she turns him down. No harm, no foul. But now it seems that he really just wanted to get to second base. Well, probably should've asked for that if that's what you really want and then just hold firm.
If the board digresses into analyzing every rejection then we'll be in for a mess.
So what you're saying is he should have just asked the HR lady "lemme feel dem titties and we've gotta deal"?
If he wants 6 or 7 percent over the starting salary, he should have just asked for that. Like I said originally, they didn't want to pay him what he wants and they sound like jerks. So why bother trying to get the job or worry about it.
not sure I understand the analogy...
This is absolutely literally nothing like the situation that you've proposed here.
so...we just went 80's teenybopper movie there....
You sir, are a PeePee toilet. Flush you very much.
yeah, I didn't just ask for X% more or even site general market medians, I reiterated my interest in the position, explained the additional unique experience that I felt wasn't accounted for in their offer and asked if there was room for additional compensation as a reult of that.
Now, maybe I was too forceful/blunt (it was over email) but I didn't think so.
yep, everything I've read is that it's a huge red flag,
Sadly, most HR people I've known in the past are more concerned with organizing the next company party than they are in being a valuable asset. Not all, but most that I've known.
...and HR gets all the frilly employee awards instead of the people actually producing products and services for the organization.
That frosts my shorts when I nominate my team, who is busting their ass, working weekends, nights, travelling, winning new business and some fuck head from HR or some other supporting role gets employee of the quarter for something like keeping the bulletin board up to date.
It amazes me how you can generalize an entire department. I have been in the "HR" space for 10 years and have not been around these type of situations. I know many times HR has saved many peoples jobs from being eliminated, or faught for your team to get more vacation, a bonus or even more head count because your team wsa stretched to thin. I have been in an HR department that faught with the exec team to get all prescriptions free for employees or helped many employees through personal problems that you never knew about. While I know there are people in HR that are not good, I could say the same for every deparment in an organization. I know sales people that will snake a sale from a teammate, I know engineers that do nothing and take credit for what their team accomplished and there is no recourse for those actions. I am sure your team bust their tails on a day to day and quite frankly deserve awards as well, but I think it's wrong to generalize HR to people that keep a bulletin board up to date.
Sometimes, generalizations are generalizations for a reason
If that's how you want to live go for it! All I know is that if you have that attitude towards HR or other departments it shows more about your character than those departments. I was just trying to point out generalization are unfair and not warranted. Just like you stating your team should have got an award based on the work they did, they probably deserved it and it's unfair they didn't get it.
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