OSU recruit who was not medically cleared will play for Auburn instead
Jamel Dean is the OSU recruit who enrolled early this past winter only to find out OSU would not clear him medically to play football. Coincidentally, OSU was oversigned at the time. Not that they were related at all. Well, Dean just got offered to play at Auburn. Strange to see an SEC school benefiting from a Big Ten school cutting a recruit due to oversigning.
Alabama board is calling Auburn shady and the Michigan board is calling OSU shady. We'll never know for sure what happened here. I find it extremely unlikely that OSU doctors would be influened by a football coach. Let's hope this kid has a productive career and is not injured again, because that could be very bad for Auburn and college football in general.
Um I think we do. OSU oversigned and looked for the first excuse they could to cut anyone. This kid fit the bill nicely.
Hmm an early enrollee who was already on campus taking classes? Yeah, seems very likely. Even rated as #128 in the ESPN300. Yes, yes, seems very likely tOSU cut this kid because they wanted to make from for lesser talent.
Who knows if he'll even be able to play down at Auburn? Could turn into one of those situations Auburn lets him in but he never fully heals and has to end his career before even starting it. But of course, it'll still be shady business by tOSU.
I mean Dave Brandon tried to strongarm the UofM Docs into covering up Shane's concussion didn't he? Not hard to think that all doctors everywhere don't have the same balls of steel Michigan's doctors do
I mean I think they mainly practice tribal herbal treatments in Ohio still soo..
that the OSU doctor wasn't influenced by Meyer. It's a glamour job that some guys would absolutely love to have and he could easily be replaced. All Meyer has to do is find a question the doctor can give the right answer too. It obviously wasn't can he play D-1 football? Maybe something along the lines of can you guarantee he'll be back to 100% for fall? The NCAA or at least the Big Ten needs to implement a standard for these medicals and require an independent examination. I'd be willing to bet that he'd have been cleared by OSU if they weren't oversigned.
The doctor you're talking about is the head of the sports medicine department at Ohio State. He's not going to get replaced because he refused to lie about a student athlete's medical status.
Do you guys honestly believe the crap you're saying? Jesus..... I hate to break it to you guys but most people outside of Ann Arbor are NOT unethical sociopaths.
Whether or not he oversigns has no bearing on the fact that the doctor's medical opinion was that he should not continue to play football. You're suggesting the doctor is straight up giving a false assessment and I find that very hard to believe, oversigning or not.
and the kid truly would be risking his health by playing, the doctor wouldn't clear him just because Meyer wanted him to. One problem is that he isn't the kid's doctor. He's the team's. Not clearing him doesn't risk his health. It just shows an abundance of caution that may just fit Meyer's wishes more that his condition.
Next you'll tell us that the fine professionals in the Columbus PD would never abuse their power to help the football team. We all remember the bomb sniffing dogs that were only brought out for the Michigan players. Forgive us for believing that unethical behavior to support the football program is commonplace in Columbus. One day you may even be able to point to a piece of evidence to the contrary.
an insurance company as much as your own? Or from a completely independent doctor? I certainly wouldn't. It doesn't mean the doctor is lying or doing something completely unethical, but he could certainly be shading his opinion to fit his employer's interests.
This wouldn't have been much of a story if OSU had accepted getting a second opinion from a well respected independent source. Seems like a reasonable course when the kid and his doctor are disputing the diagnosis. If you're expecting OSU to get the benefit of the doubt around here, you're mistaken. .
The player consulted the leading expert on this who told him he'd be ready to play this summer according to reports at the time they dumped him.
I have no reason, whatever, to doubt Dr.Andrews. But to be fair, he's a medical director and team orthopedist for Auburn.
This isn't unsubstantiated like people throwing out wild ass statements like MSU uses PEDs. He signed over the limit last year. It only takes one look at scout or rivals to see that and is not open for debate. He absolutely has to be at 85 by August due to NCAA rules so either an unprecedented amount of people transfer out of his program or he has to force people out in one way or another. His high school coach is upset about it which leads me to believe it isn't his choice to transfer to Auburn. Why are you so adamant that Urban Meyer is innocent with so much evidence stacked up against him?
in Columbus would mortify me if they happened in Ann Arbor. I'll bring up the bomb search again. Heads would have rolled if that had gone on here. I'm not aware of any repercussions in Columbus for misusing the police and the post 9/11 environment to try to get an advantage. Tressel appeared to be in on it too. It wasn't just a couple of cops working on their own. Winning is important here. Winning at all costs is close to the norm at OSU.
You don't jeopardize 15+ years of education over an extra scholarship. I don't know of any doctors that would lie like that to one of their patients over something so small. I'm sure some exist but you can't accuse someone of something this unethical without knowing all the details related to the case.
OSU spin on this going to be? Auburn is too reckless taking kids that are already hurt and they are putting him in danger?
http://www.elevenwarriors.com/ohio-state-football-recruiting/2015/05/53…
I was just arguing on another board that we didn't oversign this year, and we won't next year. Now this story gets posted and the debate will rage all over again. I'm glad our fans keep a close eye on these things, but the coaches knew he wasn't going to be medically cleared before NSD and filled his spot elsewhere. They didn't oversign.
They hate us cuz they aint us!! ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
before NSD and filled his spot elsewhere."
HAHAHAHA
So now Urbz doubles as a lying doctor. If that's the case, why didn't Dr. Meyer save the kid the trouble and tell him straight up before he packed up and moved to Columbus that he wouldn't be cleared so he could pursue other interests?
I'm sure Urbz "knew."
He "knew" that once he wanted to replace him with someone better, that he would make sure he didn't get cleared.
Nevered bothered to tell the kid he "knew" this, but Urbz "knew." We all knew, really.
No school does a physical on a kid until he gets to school. Were they supposed to pre-emptively do this?
He enrolled early and then they checked him out and Dr.'s did not clear him. This was a month before signing day. As he wasn't cleared his scholarship spot would not be used and could then go to another kid. As you may recall they aggresively pursued Damon Arnette and got him to sign. This was done after Dean was declared ineligible.
The timeline doesn't allow for any of the "he was declared ineligible to free up a spot" talk. He was declared medically ineligible BEFORE signing day. Dean was higher rated if I recall than Arnette and if he could have played I highly doubt they take Arnette or another kid.
I'd buy this argument except (a) he had a series of knee issues in HS, including the torn ACL that was apparently the "straw" that broke his scholarship's back, and (b) once he was released from OSU another major college program apparently thought it wasn't as serious an injury as to not offer him a scholarship. And yes, there is absolutely a world in which Dean is deemed medical not clear by Auburn and he gets medical'd there, but at this point there is enough smoke going around that you'd probably not offer a scholarship spot unless you were pretty certain he could play.
Honestly, I could buy this being a delusional kid trying to keep playing wherever possible, but Meyer has been doing "roster management" for years now and dressing it all up as coincidence and happenstance. He's a cutthroat coach who wants to win, and I don't blame him for not caring all that much if a couple of 18-year-old kids get screwed over along the way. But he needs to be taken to task for it, just like I'd hope a Michigan coach would be in that circumstance. I just find it funny that there is no other team in the conference that seems to have this run of bad luck with "career-ending" injuries at opportune times to get under the 85-scholarship limit.
Based on the timeline alone I just don't buy this particular situation as an example that bolsters your argument.
We can quibble over the alleged diagnosis from Dr. Andrews (who if he did an exam, his opinion should weigh heavily) but I'm still not sure that would be enough to change a separate unafilliated Dr.'s decision.
I think this situation is endemic of Meyer's ongoing willingness to free of roster spots as needed. If memory serves me right, he was effectively oversigned based on verbals for some time, and that's why they had 3 kids get medical'd right around signing day. So yes, he didn't explicitly kick out Dean in order to open up a spot at the deadline, but it was some mindful ignorance on Meyer's part with a sense that he needed to find open spots for his best players. Maybe he figured if Dean worked out, he'd greyshirt/pull a scholarship from another kid, but then when he found out Dean wasn't "clear" to play he could keep recruiting kids and know he had opened up a spot. Anyway, the fact Auburn thought he was good enough to play does bring into question how OSU evaluated his suitability when he came on campus. If Dr. Andrews legitimately investigated this kid's injuries (and he may not have directly, though someone is his practice did) and thinks he's good, that's pretty interesting.
I just read the thread - they are also greyshirting someone to get up the cap? Not a great look for Urban.
The denial is strong in this one. The reason Urban is doing this along with the Mike weber switcharoo is that he's worried about becoming Jim Harbaugh's Pete Carroll.
Yeah, I checked out that post along with their discussion on "cheating" wrt Tom Brady to see how they tried to conflate Jim Tressel and Tom Brady as basically the same level of "piddling crap".
Man, if 11 warriors and this site flipped site design, it would be hard to ignore the mouth breathing.
Don't expect the B1G to do anything. We'll have to beat them on an uneven playing field, as we always have.
Can't stand them!
wonder who Auburn has to cut to make room for him.
They are a-changin'.
Meyers has changed the tide on the B1G v. SEC rivalry. Hell, people in Auburn are starting to believe in him. Never in a million years would I have thought that. Flipping OSU grayshirts is a good start.
(Why can't we trade the SEC OSU for Vanderbilt? We'd have to keep The Game at the end of the season, but both schools seem sorely misplaced.)
Clearly Auburn doctors are much more gooder than Ohio State doctors.
I think it may have been Gus performing a minor miracle.
Ok, mabye I am not understanding something here, but of what benefit is it to OSU to "medical" this guy? What most here object to is using "medical redshirts" to bascially cut people who don't earn playing time. This guy *just* enrolled in January so he's clearly not had any time to compete. I guess the motivation here could be take this guy off the market? But if he *could* have helped OSU down the road, you would think they would have kept him on the roster. I see this as OSU just being extra careful here and nothing nefarious. To me this doesn't come close to the stuff that Alabama does. They "medical" guys who have spent years on campus and clearly are not going to help the team so Saban wants to free up the scholarship for someone else who *may* make an impact. This seems entirely different to me.
OSU apparently decided that the potential benefit - having a healthy 4-star cornerback on your roster - did not compare favorably to the potential risk - having a roster spot occupied by an athlete that never recovers to 100%. They made a cold business decision to dispose of him, and they did it after they had already promised him a scholarship. They treated him like a faulty peice of equipment rather than a human being.
See John Beilein's handling of Austin Hatch for comparison. Everybody knew Austin was unlikely to fully recover and be the athlete he was before the accident, but he got a scholarship all the same, and a few years to try. Only after it was agreed to by everybody - Austin, Beilein, and the rest of the world - that the full recovery just wasn't going to happen - did he get put on medical scholarship.