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The Question:

Ace: After the title game, it's time to wash the bad taste out of our mouths. Thinking back on the 1997 title team, who was your favorite player to watch other than Charles Woodson? Answer should be your choice at the time, so unless you've always been obsessed with line play I'm going to be a little skeptical if one of you answers Steve Hutchinson.

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The Answers:

Alex Cook: I was four-and-a-half years old at the time and have no recollection of this team whatsoever. I'm going to graduate this spring / summer, so, uh, yeah 1997 was a while ago.

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Seth: Dude don't forget people knew Hutchinson and Backus then. Freshman linemen were almost unheard of in recent memory, so Lloyd announcing two would start was a big part of why September expectations were for "another four-loss season."

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It's not like two freshman offensive linemen went totally unremarked, Ace.

(The contempt with which I used to say those four words embarrasses me now).

Through that season there were Daily stories and Replay mentions about Hutchinson and Backus: going to Blimpy's for the first time, having to buy Spots for the seniors, boilerplate "pick things quickly" stuff from coaches, yada yada. However I personally read those articles a few years later in the archives, and also developed my appreciation for Rob Renes only after hitting campus in 1998 and being exposed to frat brothers and editors who worshipped him.

As my high school notebooks will attest, I was a fan of Dhani Jones. He was so fast tracking down guys wherever on the field, and always appeared around the ball, and was only a sophomore. He really stuck out in the Penn State game, and I remembered him having a ton of sacks (a Bentley lookup reveals six). And his name was Dhani, and he had a fro, and they said he was a straight-A student, and back then I believed in the student-athlete hooey a lot more. If he had played in the time of YouTube he'd be an MGo-Favorite easily.

Dhani was only marginally ahead of a bunch of that front seven. The way Keith Jackson would say "Clint Copenhaver" you thought Copenhaver was some sort of defensive god. James Hall would chase quarterbacks into their nightmares. Sam Sword and Glenn Steele because it's not enough that we destroy your offense we have to literally send guys named for medieval weaponry at you. Either of those guys would be my pick after Jones (I loved sacks).

And I liked A-Train, a big-time recruit when that was just becoming a thing, and so damn fast. When I bought my jersey freshman year it was between 7 and 32; I went with the former because Henson was my grade.

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Dave Nasternak: So, due to odd circumstances in my personal life (and being 12...but that's only a small part of the reason), I think I only got to see about 3-4 of the games from 1997, live. But I followed in newspapers, re-watched on VHS, and had many conversations with anyone who would talk M football with me, so I was familiar with the goings-on.

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Streets was like the one guy other than Woodson making big catches downfield. So much of the rest of the passing game was Tuman or Shea getting rollouts.

I remember watching the Colorado, Baylor, ND, and Ohio State games...and standing outside of a Ruby Tuesday in the mall, looking through a window, watching some of the Rose Bowl...much to the annoyance of the couple trying to eat dinner.

There were so many fun guys to watch on defense: Tommy Hendricks, Jones, Renes, Ray, Steele, etc. But one of the things I remember watching about that unit was how so many different guys would make plays. Ok, other than the obvious guy, big plays also came from every position on that defense.  I remember as the lead in the OSU game was getting smaller and smaller, I knew somebody would make a play…and then the Steele sacks and Gold deflection, etc.

But probably the two guys who I was most intrigued by were Tai Streets and Anthony Thomas. I had only been closely following college football for a few years, at that point, but I was so blown away (and then ultimately excited) that a true freshman was playing the way A-Train was. I got a #32 jersey soon after and couldn't believe I had 3 more years of watching him.

Streets? First, his name is just awesome.Then, after M lost Hayes, Toomer, and Riemersma after '95, I was really rooting hard for him to do well because they needed a WR to step up.  I was probably as happy for him as I was for any Wolverine after that Rose Bowl.  While he didn't have the greatest or longest NFL career, catching two bombs for TDs in the National Championship-clinching game is tough to beat.
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Adam Schnepp: I grew up in a house with a dad who doesn't understand why anyone would spend three hours watching a football game when you could spend that time reading and a mom who's a Michigan State alum.

1997 was just about the time I was getting into football, albeit Michigan State football (you can imagine how happy she is that I went to Michigan and work for a Michigan blog). At the time it would have been way easier for me to name five of the aliens in the Mos Eisley Cantina than five football players, but I knew who Charles Woodson was. It was impossible to not know who he was that year; it seemed like every kid at school had a #2 jersey.

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Somehow always open. [via Ann Arbor news]

But to pick a second favorite? I think I have to go with Greedo.

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Brian: Everyone who works for this blog is disgustingly young and I hate you.

My #2 (not that #2) was Jerame Tuman. Tuman was an actual downfield threat as a tight end and was more often than not the option on third and medium as well; other than Bennie Joppru's senior season I don't think there's been a more impactful tight end in the history of my Michigan fandom. I had not yet been exposed to the spread and learned to hate the waggle from the deepest part of my soul, and I remember Griese rolling out in the Rose Bowl to find Tuman behind everybody.

To have a running game that would be able to do that to a safety was something I took for granted. No longer, and just in time for that to be the case again.

Comments

superstringer

January 14th, 2015 at 12:48 PM ^

Brian Griese. He was so putridly bad when he got to UM -- the first year he played, he could barely throw 5 yards past the LOS. He came a long, long way and was a testament to hard work. I felt great confidence in his leadership.

But he was a distant #2 to #2.



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Ccapilla

January 14th, 2015 at 12:50 PM ^

It was awesome that you could watch this guy on tv laying someone out and a day or two later see him at a poetry jam on campus. Proximity bias speaking here but that dude was the pinnacle of student athlete, mostly because he was better than you at both.

But while we are recalling that year, I'd just like to pour one out for Daydrion Taylor who ended two careers in one instant:

TheDirtyD

January 14th, 2015 at 1:00 PM ^

I have to say Charles. I mean 1997 was epic he wins the Heismen Michigan wins the title and the Wings won the cup. As a sports fan every year has been a disspointment since.

schreibee

January 14th, 2015 at 2:35 PM ^

Are you kidding me? ARE YOU KIDDING ME?!!

Ya don't get to say Woodosn, that's cheatin - totally BS man!

Name another player on the '97 team - ANY other player - just someone you remember who did something you think back on fondly. But ya don't get #2 - EVERYONE picks him, for '97 and for life.... Agreed?!

Brandon_L

January 14th, 2015 at 1:03 PM ^

I would have to say Chris Howard was really underated. He is the definition of power back. Chris Floyd was also a player that I loved to watch. I was fullback in Middle School and my brother would always tell me to pay attention to number 7 Chris Floyd. 

My real Number two favorite behind Woodson was Marcus Ray. The entire secondary was so strong it is no wonder players like Steele, Renes and Copenhaver were so dominant up front. The way the defensive line and secondary worked in sync with one another is the main reason Michigans defense was so dominant.  

AC1997

January 14th, 2015 at 1:03 PM ^

(Context - I was in the class of 1997 and in the MMB, so this was the peak of my fandom)

Without question my favorite player besides Woodson was Glen Steele.  He seemed to be in the backfield on every other play and I honestly believe that part of what made Woodson so dominant was his ability to disrupt the pocket and force bad decisions by the QB (just a small part.....but still).  He wasn't that huge, he wasn't that fast, and he wasn't a physical specimen.  He just worked hard on every play.  

 

Marcus Ray got a ton of accolades from people (and still does) but I actually didn't think he was that great of a safety.  I thought he tried too hard for a knockout blow rather than making sure tackles.  Then again, we've been a wasteland at safety since Vada Murray and Tripp Welbourne were back there so Ray does stand out.  

 

I liked Tai Streets because he played on the basketball team at the same time as the football team.  But as star Michigan wide receivers go he was sort of the weak link in the chain that stretches from AC to Braylon.  (Though he had a better NFL career than some of those guys.)  

 

Finally, there was an OL who was a bit of a star and it wasn't the freshmen - it was Jon Jansen.  He was the likeable mauler wearing #77 before Long and Lewan.  He was the guy who never missed a game or a block.  He was a local kid.  So he'd probably be my #2 besides Steele for this question.

michmaiku

January 14th, 2015 at 1:10 PM ^

Agree with your analysis.  Marcus was always always going for the knock-out blow, which was exactly what was needed, and deserved, in Boston's case.   He could get away with this approach given the strength of the defense and backfield he was part of.

But the question was "who is your favorite player to watch" not "who was the most effective player".   I'll watch prima donna OSU wide-outs get destroyed every time.  If only we could suit Cris Carter back up and start there.

JoeyFootball19

January 14th, 2015 at 1:10 PM ^

I would have to say Marcus Ray. I was 12 years old and my dad worked for ABC. He scored 4 tickets at the 50 yard line, 4th row for the OSU game. I remember a few moments from that game besides the punt return. That hit on David Boston was unreal. The crowd chanting Boston-Boston-Boston. After that day I was hooked, it's like a drug. 

TheFugitive

January 14th, 2015 at 1:13 PM ^

no.8 Chris Howard was my favorite.  My aunt got me a National Championship magazine after the game and I would try to trace/draw the players from the pictures on the pages.  I remember thinking his photo was the coolest one 

WFDEric

January 14th, 2015 at 1:37 PM ^

After Charles i'm blown away that more people don't say Brian Griese. He was as cool as the other side of the pillow. Charles, Glenn, Howard, Ray, and Thomas were all great players. We had what 25 guys make it to the NFL from that team? But, Brian had the ball in his hands every snap on "O" and made every correct decision it took to be National Champions. Charles was Charles but we don't "Share" the title if not for him. 

BTW, Nebraska was a great team. But you pull Ian Gold (those that don't remember Sword was a huge run stopper for that "D". He didn't play much in the rose bowl because of the "O" that WSU ran) out and put Sword back in a LB and we shut the run down and win by 10pts.

Brian Griese easy #2 for me.....

schreibee

January 14th, 2015 at 2:41 PM ^

Plus, as I referenced earlier, Nebraska lost in Columbia that day - they just didn't allow replay to overturn it yet.

So ASIDE from every true football fan KNOWING Michigan would've beaten Neb if there'd been a playoff then - even every Nebraska fan has to acknowledge that they were not truly undefeated, so the lame coach's poll would not have jumped them over us as a parting gift to Osborne.

MGoATC

January 14th, 2015 at 1:21 PM ^

Woodson absolutely deserved the Heisman. I rooted hard for the more unsung. I agree that Tuman was huge, and one of the best TEs ever at UM. (remember Eric Kattus?, very under appreciated)

 But Aaron Shea, how many critical third down catches or lead blocks did he produce? In my memory from being 37 at the time, he was an animal.

GOBLUE4EVR

January 14th, 2015 at 1:30 PM ^

senior in HS for the 97 season was able to make it all of the home games that year for the first time ever... like everyone i loved meself some charles woodson but i always had a soft spot for diallo johnson... the guy played like 3 or 4 different postions (/s) in his time at Michigan just to be able to help out the team...

NOLA Blue

January 14th, 2015 at 1:32 PM ^

Used to dine with Dhani in East Quad, baller on the field and awesome in life.  With that bias stated (and acknowledging that Woodson was a once in a lifetime game changer) I would say that Chris Floyd was the most delightful fullback I have ever watched.  Without the bubble he gave to Griese on an every play basis, M does not win the NC.  I had never seen FB play like that, and haven't since then.  How I long for Shallman, or Houma, or Kerridge to channel his play... Let the line create the pocket, let the FB blow up any who enter.  Title.

Champeen

January 14th, 2015 at 1:42 PM ^

Personally at the time it was Streets.  However, looking back on that team years later, possibly the most underrated and under appreciated player was Renes.  He very well may have been the 2nd most important player on that entire team. 

michgoblue

January 14th, 2015 at 1:32 PM ^

Blast from the past.  One of my favorites on that team, as well.  As a relatively new fan to football, I didn't fully appreciate what a tight end actually did.  He caught so many balls that for a while I actually thought he was just a wide receiver.  Also, his name was cool.

Ron Utah

January 14th, 2015 at 1:35 PM ^

I can't believe Tai Streets isn't getting more love.

He didn't really blow-up until '98, but he and Tuman combined for 51 catches and eight of the team's 14 receiving TDs.

I thought Chris Howard was overlooked too often just because A-Train was a freshman; Howard, at that point, really was a far better all-purpose back who led the team in rushing and receptions.

On defense, they all seemed like stars.  Marcus Ray was amazing, but I loved Dhani, Sword, and James Hall.

Benoit Balls

January 14th, 2015 at 1:38 PM ^

well sonny, let me tell ya a story about Chris Floyd, all everything fullback and destroyer of worlds. Loved him because I was a blocking (slow,fat) TE when I played and I always gravitated toward guys who gave themselves up for the betterment of the team, the team, the team. Chris Floyd was one helluva fullback and watching him blow dudes up was always a good time.

skurnie

January 14th, 2015 at 1:38 PM ^

I always liked Marcus Ray, even before the Boston hit. But then I really, really liked Marcus Ray. 

 

To Brian's point, Tuman was a damn good receiver and a big part of Michigan's offense. He was crucial on 3rd down situations all season. Thanks to Wikipedia, I also just learned that he married Scott Dreisbach' sister. 

DBMCT

January 14th, 2015 at 1:40 PM ^

Griese play action bootlet to Tuman was my favorite play that season.  We ran it so many times and it seemed like everytime it was a completion for a first down.  Tuman was such an asset to have.  It annoyed the crap out of me that he was utilized mostly in 2 TE sets while at Pittsburgh. 

beedub93

January 14th, 2015 at 1:46 PM ^

stoned him.  Guns don't kill people - Chris Howard kills people.

Tai Streets was another of my favs.  His catch & run tds versus ND and Iowa begat two big come from behind wins at home that could very easliy have wound up in the loss column.

If he doesn't make those plays, then his tds in Pasadena don't happen.

Space Coyote

January 14th, 2015 at 1:50 PM ^

Because I saw him play in high school.

But Glenn Steele was the person that made me love DL play before I understood what DL play was all about. And I always loved A-Train.

Unfiltered Manball

January 14th, 2015 at 1:51 PM ^

State wrestling champ and built like a wrecking ball.  High-motor guy.  Never quit.

 

Offense: Brian Griese.

Buckeye-killer.  Smart.  Not flashy, but could and would do whatever it took to keep the chains moving.  Knew that our D would win the games and all he needed to do was play smart, mistake-free ball.

NCWolverine

January 14th, 2015 at 2:02 PM ^

I loved this team so much.  I was at Fort Huachuca for that whole season.  Wake up, find somewhere to watch the game after breakfast, except for the late games.  Watched the PSU game with my buddy the PSU grad.  Good days.  This D was so dominant that I did my "pick any topic" presentation on its greatness.

MGoStaff - PLEASE talk Brian into UFR-ing ANY game from 1997.  Call it MGoHistory or something.

Mr. Flood

January 14th, 2015 at 2:07 PM ^

The co-captain of the 1997 National Championship team, Mayes only recorded 46 tackles in his career at Michigan. He served as a backup linebacker in 1995 and 1996 after walking on to the football program. His impact on the field in 1997 was overshadowed by the contributions of Woodson, Greise, Streets, Ray, Tuman, and a host of others. However, Mayes' impact as a leader was as large as any player in recent memory. Mayes' career at Michigan followed a Disney-esque storyline. The Kalamazoo native transferred to Michigan in 1995 after going to Xavier College, a small Louisiana school that did not have a football program. As a walk on, Mayes contributed on special teams during his first two years on the team, registering 16 total tackles in that time. After the departure of All-American and captain Jerrett Irons before 1997, Mayes took advantage of the chance to fill both Irons' starting role and his captaincy. He had the best game of his career against Notre Dame, making 14 tackles (one for a loss) and breaking up a pass.Unfortunately, his playing career ended in the very next game. On Indiana's fourth play from scrimmage, Mayes took an awkward cut after shedding a block during a routine running play, tearing a ligament in his knee. It was quickly revealed that the injury would not allow him to return that season. As a fifth-year senior who was not eligible for a medical redshirt, Mayes had played his last game as a Wolverine. Despite not being able to contribute on the field, Mayes continued to fulfill his duties as a captain. One of the most memorable images of the 1997 season occurred after Michigan beat Ohio State, clinching the Big Ten title and sending the #1 Wolverines to the Rose Bowl. During the on-field celebration, the Michigan team carried Mayes on their shoulders.

Seth

January 14th, 2015 at 6:20 PM ^

I remember not thinking he was very good. Keep in mind this was long before I ever diagrammed a play. But there was a play early in the season--Colorad or Baylor--when Mayes was in and Hendricks was frantically pointing at him to guard someone else.

Mayes did and Hendricks had an interception in the end zone, and I guess because Mayes had a number in a 20s we thought he was another defensive back, and my dad and I talked about how Hendricks is a good DB and Mayes isn't and were smug about how we'd identified this from one play.

Maybe I should stop talking about my 17-year-old football-watching idiot self because I think he'd probably get banned from this board.

93Grad

January 14th, 2015 at 2:05 PM ^

that happened to 17 years ago for emotional comfort with our football program?  We have had an ND like run of irrelevance over the last 10-15 years.  Thanksfully we now have the best possible coach on board to begin changing the narrative.

 

In any event, Rob Renes was a guy I loved watching at the time. 

benjamint1024

January 14th, 2015 at 2:12 PM ^

Was in middle school at the time and played run stuffing inside linebacker.  I gravitated towards Sam Sword.  Was pissed that my coach would not let me wear #93.  None of my coaches ever would.  Was #28 for some reason.  That and I loved swords at the time.