OT: Bills v. Jets in Detroit?
http://www.freep.com/story/sports/nfl/lions/2014/11/20/buffalo-bills-sn…
Maybe they'll do the free tix like they did when the Vikings played here back in 2010.
November 20th, 2014 at 2:44 PM ^
220,000 tons of snow? Holy shit
November 20th, 2014 at 3:18 PM ^
The stadium and grounds are 197 acres. So that's about 1,100 tons per acre, or 2.2 million pounds per acre. An acre is 43,560 square feet, so we're talking about 50 pounds of snow per square foot.
That's a shitload.
November 20th, 2014 at 7:38 PM ^
Some of the southtowns have 5-7 feet. Not a drifting 5-7 feet. Just 5-7 feet.
Theyve got national guard humvees and the whole nine yards out there
November 20th, 2014 at 2:47 PM ^
So basically Buffalo is shut down because of something us Yoopers call "winter".
November 20th, 2014 at 2:53 PM ^
And up to 12 inches more expected today. A total of SIX FEET down and more on it's way.
November 20th, 2014 at 3:05 PM ^
Like I said, winter in the UP.
November 20th, 2014 at 3:07 PM ^
There isn't much commerce going on in the UP though........
November 20th, 2014 at 3:13 PM ^
Well, I mean, there is, but it's completely different. My point wasn't a jab at Buffalo, but rather commentary on how population density and lesser preparedness/occurrence causes exponentially increases the media attention and people's reactions.
November 20th, 2014 at 3:47 PM ^
But doesn't Buffalo normally receive U.P. levels of snow? They get lake effect snow from Lake Ontario.
November 20th, 2014 at 4:01 PM ^
Not exactly, but they do get some monster storms (the difference being far fewer). Their lake effect comes off of Lake Erie. Now, for some real monster snowfall totals, you want to check out the Tug Hill plateau off of the east end of Lake Ontario.
November 20th, 2014 at 7:10 PM ^
Buffalo traditionally gets some of the most snowfall in the whole country. More than the UP, I believe (feel free to prove me wrong on that one). This level of snowfall has happened very rarely in the UP as well. Don't act like this is business as usual.
November 20th, 2014 at 7:41 PM ^
and I know the UP gets a ton off Superior, but the lake effect alleys for South Buffalo (Lake Erie) and Watertown (Lake Ontario) get as much snow as anyone.
I know the UP gets snow...but 7 feet in 72 hours? I'm a little skeptical thats a 'typical UP winter'
November 20th, 2014 at 8:17 PM ^
It was a very early arctic air mass and lake Erie was warmer. Given the steep lapse rates between the lake surface and the cold air mass a higher degree of convective instability develop causing convective snows. Plus the low-level pressure gradient was just right to give western NY westerly surface winds. This created a long fetch across lake Erie. If it stays cold Lake Erie will cool rapidly and their lake effect snow season may end by January. The Keweenaw Peninsula in the UP will get lake effect snow for a much longer time since lake Superior is deeper and takes time to cool. So, the Keweenaw Peninsula (lee side of Superior), southwest NY (lee side of Erie) and northwest NY (Lee side of NY) usually average 250 to 300" of snow per year. But early arctic outbreak will bring these monster snow falls to western NY more so then the upper UP because the duration of convective snows last longer due to the warmer water temperatures of lake Erie, causing a greater degree of instability when the arctic airmass flows east across the long fetches of Erie and Ontario.
November 20th, 2014 at 11:19 PM ^
It was stated in one of the other posts in this thread and it's not even close between Buffalo and the western UP. The eastern UP would be a more apt comparison. The NY comparable for the western UP would be the Tug Hill plateau off of the east end of Lake Ontario.
November 20th, 2014 at 3:11 PM ^
All fall in a 24 hour period up there? Hard to plow when it's snowing that hard. Ok, I know, UP, we're tough, blah blah blah...
November 20th, 2014 at 3:16 PM ^
Spots got well over 40 inches in 24 hours last week.
November 20th, 2014 at 3:33 PM ^
One time it snowed 10 inches before i could even finish my pasty! And if you know me, you know I don't dilly-dally with my pasties.
/s
I dally sometimes.
November 20th, 2014 at 9:53 PM ^
What's your ratio of dilly to dally?
November 21st, 2014 at 12:05 AM ^
Always 69% dally
November 20th, 2014 at 8:41 PM ^
How do I like Clarence's comment about the UP? Classic haha
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November 20th, 2014 at 2:54 PM ^
Clarence would have you shoveled out in 1 hour! What's your problem?!
November 20th, 2014 at 3:14 PM ^
you get 7 feet of snow regularly in the UP, huh? Somehow I get the feeling you're talking out of your ass and don't know what is actually going on in Buffalo
we're talking snowfall up there with the record for a Sault Ste Marie winter in 1995-96
November 20th, 2014 at 3:15 PM ^
Yeah, it has happened. Not regularly, but it has (same for Buffalo). For what it's worth, since you had to toss in the "talking out of your ass" part, none of the pictures from Buffalo are actually of Buffalo.
November 20th, 2014 at 3:18 PM ^
you're right, the snowfall is concentrated outside of the city with the downtown core recieving only a few inches... but the point remains, this is hardly average snowfall for either Buffalo or the UP, and making light of an emergency situation is kind of a dick move. There's as much as 9 feet of snow on the ground in places, it all fell in a matter of hours.
November 20th, 2014 at 3:23 PM ^
To be honest, I think my intentions weren't/aren't what you characterized. I have a lot of family in Cheektowaga (one of the highest snow fall areas), several of whom work in emergency response, and people there are (generally) fine. It's not, at all, as dire as the news is making it out to be.
November 20th, 2014 at 4:22 PM ^
The Niagara womens basketball team just HAD to try out this bus camping thing for two days on the side of the highway.
Also, dude, Buffalo complains about snow approximately never so that everyone is in a bunch about it up there might tell you something about the severity. They got nearly an entire average season in two days.
November 20th, 2014 at 4:27 PM ^
I know a good bit (I'm willing to bet more than you do) about the severity. You'd know this if you read my post that appears, literally, right before yours appears.
And, for the record, they do complain there quite a lot.
November 20th, 2014 at 4:50 PM ^
8 people have died. You are most certainly downplaying that and being an asshole.
November 20th, 2014 at 4:56 PM ^
I'd like you to articulate how you think I'm downplaying it? Literally, my point was that this place is getting a typical snowstorm that another place gets, yet it's exacerbated by population density and differential preparedness. If you read that differently, thats at least partially in your reading of what I wrote and reading something into it that I didn't say.
November 20th, 2014 at 5:04 PM ^
You said it's not as dire as it seems. Do 8 people die when other places "regularly" get this type of snow? This IS dire. People have been trapped in their cars or work or stores or whatever for over 24 hours. Again, PEOPLE HAVE DIED. How is that not dire? Stop being an asshole and admit you are wrong.
November 20th, 2014 at 6:26 PM ^
No way to not sound like the asshole you've accused me of being, but it's not that uncommon. If it was as bad as the media wants to portray it, I'm surprised it's not more. The thing about storms like these is that those numbers come from all types of things (eg heart attacks shoveling snow and ambulances that don't make it there on time) that happen all the time under normal circumstances, but there isn't a storm to aggregate the numbers around. If it were 8 people who died because they got trapped in their cars, that'd be a different situation. The fact is, that isn't the case. As another poster in this thread (who lives there and is there for what is going on) eluded to, this isn't the type of storm
November 20th, 2014 at 6:30 PM ^
(Continued) where if people are just smart about it they'll be fine. We get the same things here where I now live in FL with hurricanes (and the same thing I said above about people dying applies there too - the numbers get aggregated where they normally would not be). Media blows it up, people who haven't been through it freak out. Is it sad that people have died? Of course it is. I don't think anyone has suggested otherwise.
November 20th, 2014 at 4:52 PM ^
Quote you:
It's not, at all, as dire as the news is making it out to be.
November 20th, 2014 at 4:58 PM ^
All I can say is that my relatives (who, again, work in emergency response in the Buffalo areas) completely agree. As with hurricanes, people get caught up in the sensationalism of it all.
November 20th, 2014 at 7:15 PM ^
So if the news shouldn't get sensationalized over hurricanes and blizzards (both causing multiple deaths), what should the news get going about? Those are both very big deals.
November 20th, 2014 at 4:59 PM ^
What I said, that you quoted, is literally what those people are saying.
November 20th, 2014 at 7:45 PM ^
but South Buffalo is just as grizzled to the snow as the UP is. Trying to go to work in 12" of snow is called "Tuesday" - as I'm sure it is in the UP. I live in Buffalo
November 21st, 2014 at 3:09 PM ^
I know Buffalo gets a fair amount of snow annually, but let's not get ahead ourselves. Buffalo (at 93 inches) is almost 50 inches behind Marquette (141 inches), which isn't even close to the snowiest spot in the UP. Buffalo isn't even close to the snowiest spot in its own state. No disrespect to Buffalo intended, but it's a total misconception. Buffalo is basically Erie, PA when it comes to annual snowfall.
November 20th, 2014 at 5:12 PM ^
7 people dead, roofs caving in, people sleeping in their cars.
this isn't Atlanta grinding to a halt under 2 inches broseph.
November 20th, 2014 at 6:20 PM ^
I know your panties are all in a bunch Brodie (hi, nice to see you, it's been a while), but... Yeah... Check out the post in this thread from "Matthew" who lives there and is saying basically what I've said.
November 20th, 2014 at 11:24 PM ^
Jesus Clarence just go away
November 21st, 2014 at 8:20 AM ^
For what? Articulating exactly what a lot of people who live there and are going through it are saying? Oh man, someone on the Internet told me to go away, though, because they don't agree with me. What wver shall I do?
November 20th, 2014 at 3:19 PM ^
also, for what it's worth, it's not fucking winter yet either, smart ass.
November 20th, 2014 at 3:24 PM ^
Wow. You got me there.
November 20th, 2014 at 3:18 PM ^
"we're talking snowfall up there with the record for a Sault Ste Marie winter in 1995-96"
The Soo isn't exactly an epicenter for lake effect snow. A better marker would be anywhere in the Keweenaw or the highlands.
November 20th, 2014 at 3:40 PM ^
the record for snowfall in the UP was recorded at the Soo airport and not Houghton/Hancock on the Keweenaw.
November 20th, 2014 at 3:58 PM ^
I didn't know that. What was it and when? Only way that's possible is if you're taking single event, though. Interesting to note that the Michigan single storm record was actually in the Lower Peninsula (Petoskey - 85 inches in December 2001 over 6 days).
November 20th, 2014 at 6:51 PM ^
All right. So having lived in Petoskey, Buffalo, and the Tug Hill Plateau in NY - yes, I love snow - I feel compelled to comment here.
Tug Hill wins the battle for most consistent, heavy, WTF lake effect. It's nuts there. My school looked like a castle in the winter because the parking lot snow was plowed out to the edges of the parking lot and left there. By February it was towering in gigantic curtain walls. You couldn't see inside; the entrance looked like it should have a drawbridge. Very cool.
Tug Hill loses to Petoskey in picturesqueness, though. If that's a word. The snow in Petoskey can get real heavy - I grew up there and haven't lived there in a long time, but I know they had a killer winter last year, and my friends' pictures were incredible. So, although the Tug Hill gets more deep stuff consistently day-in day-out, Petoskey's prettier.
Buffalo gets crazy snow, too, but much more intermittently, and with weird lightning. They had pink lightning in two different storms while I was there. But the town is less attractive than Petoskey, and they get less consistent lake effect than the Tug Hill.
All of this is just my recollection and impression, of course. I'm not bothering to look up stats. So, kind of a cool story bro. Carry on.