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Brian

10/25/2014 – Michigan 11, Michigan State 35 – 3-5, 1-3 Big Ten

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[Eric Upchurch]

Mark Dantonio is a crazy mofo. This is his great power: he can be offended at anything, forever. Mark Dantonio free-solos Mount Outrage every year. Michigan tried their damndest to not give him anything he could latch onto this time around, repeating the same praise over and over again until even the perpetually bored media noticed that this week's pablum was even more insipid than the usual business.

Then they put a thing in a field.

Fueling Dantonio's never-ending rage at the concept of Michigan is unwise but probably irrelevant. If hate moved spaceships Dantonio would be scowling at little green men circling Alpha Centauri instead of East Lansing. Dantonio is still pissed off at something Mike Hart said seven years ago; a dumb stunt with a railroad spike is a power mushroom when you're already big and skrong.

On the other hand, apologizing after is a pretty good summation of where both programs are. Michigan got the pounding everyone expected and then said "sorry for spoiling for field sir" as they slinked back home. Scott Farkus threw a snowball in our face and we apologized to him for being in the way.

Putting a thing in a field and then woofing about it isn't poor sportsmanship. We should know what poor sportsmanship is: punchin' people. Trying to hurt people.  This series has seen plenty of that of late, on both sides. No one apologized after.

Apparently the standard for self-abasement has plummeted, though. So we get another statement. The latest in a never-ending series of PR gaffes. The chance anyone brings the spike thing up after the first round of LOL Michigan articles is zero, unless Michigan brings it up again. They of course do because Michigan refuses to learn Don Canham's first maxim—don't make a one-day story into a two-day story.

Thus more public emasculation for Brady Hoke. Dave Brandon seems to be deliberately trying to make his football coach look like the nation's most clueless goober. By the Maryland game he'll be wearing a beanie and a KICK ME sign. The crowning glory will be an Ohio Stadium weeping piteously at his imminent departure; Hoke will be dressed in nothing but a barrel and suspenders. The press conference afterwards will take place over a dunk tank.

I dunno man, I know this is some feelingsball right here but I can't help but think this is a big part of the problem. Hoke's response to the bullies asking him why he keeps hitting himself is "it's all in the statement." The team responds like their head coach. The man refuses to defend himself, either from his incompetent athletic director or his rivals laughing at him. The team gets plowed by the hint of adversity. Fight is almost totally absent.

When someone gets mad at your spike stunt, the correct answer is F--- YO COUCH. That is Dantonio's answer to everything. Would you like some baklava, Mark? F--- YO COUCH.

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Michigan likes to talk about being a Big Boy. Before last year's Ohio State game Brandon said Michigan is "going back to hard-nosed, big-boy football." Whenever a journalist asks Hoke about the internet hordes clamoring for his head he says "it's a big-boy business."

You know who doesn't talk about being a big boy? Big boys*. People who talk about being a Big Boy wear short pants and ask their moms for a quarter so they can buy candy. Big boys don't look at yet another plate of crap and eat it with a sigh of disgust. At some point, big boys stand up for their dignity.

I don't see anything like that. I see the same mealy-mouthed coachspeak week after week, the same covering for his inept boss. Of course Dave Brandon's watching film with him. 

Maybe that makes him a "great guy," as per the last possible defense of Hoke. I don't see it. He may be a nice guy; "great" at least requires you to have as much backbone as Ralphie in A Christmas Story.

*[Except Big Boi, who is contractually obligated to say his name several times per minute as per the Rappist Identification Act Of 1985.]

[After THE JUMP: not much, honestly.]

OTHER STUFF

There's not much point to talking about other stuff. It's pointless to talk about the performance of player X and how not good it is relative to expectations. This team is going nowhere and doing nothing and the only thing that'll fix it is a new year with new coaches.

THE END. When it's all over, this is the one sentence summation of the Hoke era:

"I think I was aware that something happened, but I'm not fully aware."

Deceptive or dumb. Your two options. Yes, you can pick both.

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[Upchurch]

On yelling at specific players. Or rather: on yelling at me about not thinking Devin Gardner was… this Devin Gardner.

Sorry, I guess? We'd seen enough from Gardner in trying circumstances to suggest that he was probably pretty good in a situation where the people around him were competent. Instead: nope.

Still, focusing your bile on him is beside the point. He threw a bunch of passes that his receivers dropped; he ate sacks when both of his tackles provided minimal obstruction to Michigan State players; the run defense was painfully eviscerated from the second drive. Gardner is no more disappointing than the WRs who can't catch, the RBs who can't find the hole, the OL who can't block, the defense that can't disguise coverages, the coverage that is a neon invitation to 20 yards on any returnable punt.

The only difference is that Gardner touches the ball on every offensive snap, so his shortcomings are more frequently exposed. In terms of underperforming expectations he has a ton of company. So don't bother. Maybe if he'd been coached since Hoke arrived he'd be better. Same goes for the rest of the team.

On "class." Arguments about whether Michigan State is too mean to us don't interest me. For one, Dantonio did us a favor by punching in that last touchdown. Once Michigan was clearly going to lose it's in the sane Michigan fan's interest to have them lose by a million so that there can be no question about what needs to happen after the season.

If there weren't persistent claims by connected people that Hoke wasn't completely done yet I wouldn't feel this way. There are, so I do. Hoke 2015 can't happen.

If you want to complain about something, complain about yet another cheap shot delivered in the waning moments of a game:

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[Upchurch]

Willie Henry took the brunt of a Michigan State OL to the side of his knee, just like Denard took late hits and Mike Martin took a dirty chop block long after things had been decided. As per usual, Michigan shrugged at it.

Quittin' part VIII. Michigan's wave of the white flag was especially laughable in this game, as it was a fourth and three—fourth and three!—down 25 with nine minutes left. They of course went for two after scoring their meaningless touchdown at the end of the game, and then onside kicked, because it is important to give the impression you are trying without actually trying.

Coaching malpractice part infinity. Michigan took all its timeouts to halftime when they could have had about 90 seconds to try and get some points. I retweeted a guy saying this on twitter and got a lot of responses along the lines of "lol this team couldn't go 75 yards in 90 seconds"; while that may be the case if you truly believe that Michigan shouldn't even try there's no point in even playing the second half.

Which I guess there wasn't. That's still no way to operate a football team.

What now? If not for our current situation with the athletic director Hoke wouldn't be the coach today. Unfortunately, the hopefully imminent firing of said AD means he is a powerless figurehead incapable of axing the head coach without 1) making it look like he's try to save his own ass and 2) putting the University in a bind about whether they will let the current AD run a coaching search or just do nothing for however long it takes to find the next guy. So the move is to just sit tight until that decision is made.

Yeah, a decision should have already been made but these things take time, people continually say. Buyouts have to be negotiated, supporters placated, etc.

The good news is that it doesn't matter much. The only school currently hunting is Kansas. The only peer school likely to be hunting this year is Florida. (Seriously: the only other power 5 school with any history that might fire its coach is financially-strapped Miami. I'm not worried about competing with UNC or UVA.) Michigan may have gotten unlucky with the relative paucity of candidates this year but they are fortunate that there aren't a lot of major jobs likely to come open.

The timing issues are not bad. If Michigan does end up installing an AD in December or early January, that would be right around the time Harbaugh and Mullen hypothetically become available. Harbaugh may have the 49ers in the playoffs, and Mullen would almost certainly see a Mississippi State Cofopoff appearance through.

The recruiting class tops out at 16 and if Michigan does lock down a sexy coach they are likely to have 8-10 solid prospects still in it. A late switch is much less disastrous than it was when Hoke was hired—they could have gone to 25 in that class, only got 20, and had significant numbers of washouts thanks to Rodriguez's death spiral and the late cram-job by Hoke.

I know it would be satisfying to axe Hoke immediately. It does not make sense to do so. Michigan will be in limbo until the AD situation is resolved.

Is there any hope we could be okay next year? Yeah, there's some hope. The team will get a ton older, what with the small recruiting class and even smaller group of exiting seniors. Michigan returns literally everyone on offense save Gardner and probably Funchess. They lose both starting ends, Ryan, Taylor, and Hollowell on defense but they should get Desmond Morgan back—at this point playing him would be nuts.

In that event your D looks like:

  • Charlton/Glasgow/Henry/Ojemudia—three juniors and a senior, plus some quality depth. Pass rush questionable.
  • Ross/Bolden/Morgan—all seniors, probably pretty good.
  • Peppers/Lewis/Countess/Wilson/Clark—safety needs some work but that looks pretty good.

The main problems are the same ones Michigan has this year: quarterback and OL. The OL returns literally everyone so they should get better (he said for the millionth consecutive time despite being wrong all 999,999 previous times); QB is… a problem. Michigan should look to pick off a grad transfer and have a four-way battle between Morris, Speight, Malzone, and New Guy; it's not likely to be an inspiring setup, and that'll put a hard ceiling on their ability to compete with MSU/OSU.

But the personnel looks like it could be an 8-4 team easy.

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Best and Worst:

Worst:  So Close

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This is Michigan's gameplan in a single gif.  They had halfway-decent field position on a couple of drives, and moved the ball in fits and spurts.  But every time they had the hint of momentum, they'd go for an ill-fated flea-flicker, or fail to execute a simple bubble screen, or just run the damn ball on 2nd-and-9 for 1 yard and waste any opportunity to keep the game close.  It was infuriating, it was depressing, it was par the course for the year.

Inside the Box Score:

Last week, Brian included a photo of the Michigan Football 2014 Team Goals in an Unverified Voracity post. Let's see how the team did this weekend:

Win? No.
Turnovers? No.
4th Quarter? Yes, but just barely.
Kicking Game? I have no idea how they judge this, but Wile made his FG and Sparty missed theirs. So, yes?
Time of Poss.? No.

Let's look at that last goal in the context of this game. In the third quarter, Michigan won the time of possession battle, 10:08 to 4:52. If that's one of the top five goals for the team, that must mean we did well in the third quarter, right? Let's check the drive chart in the play by play. Hmmm... State had one drive that consumed 0 plays, 0 yards, and 0:00 time of possession and resulted in 7 points. Of course, that's the pick six. State had another drive that consumed 1 play, 70 yards, and a whole 11 seconds. That drive also ended in a touchdown. 14 points in 11 seconds.

Ron Utah says goodbye to a great man, which I obviously disagree with but hey you might not.

ELSEWHERE

A guy has bought 2000 FIRE BRANDON shirts for the Indiana game. This person is not me, even if it gets mentioned on the message board.

Man I cannot read a Hoke quote anymore without immediately thinking of six different varieties of shade to throw at it.

"We have 11 guys out there, they have 11 guys out there," Hoke said. "We're trying to compete. They're trying to compete. That's what athletics is and that's what competition is, so no, not (surprised) in one bit."

Sometimes you have 11 guys out there.

Michigan State fans on Hoke:

They want to show their appreciation for Hoke any way they can. Late in the fourth quarter, freshman Amari Ellsworth yelled toward Hoke, offering to bake him cookies.

“I’d give him a hug if I could,” Ellsworth said. “He hates us, but he still needs a hug sometimes.”

Baumgardner:

The scene and the moment just made sense.

After his 11th loss in the past 12 months, Brady Hoke sat at a table inside Spartan Stadium squinting to make out the faces of the people standing in front of him.

"These lights are killing me," Hoke said in between questions after a 35-11 loss at Michigan State.

You can say that again.

Hoover Street Rag. Sap's Decals. Niyo:

"Well, you want to win more," Hoke said, after Michigan's most-lopsided loss in the series since 1967. "So is that frustrating? Yeah, you want to win more."

And no, he said, he didn't hear the "Keep Brady!" chants from the partisan Michigan State crowd, or see the 13 shirtless fans spelling it out — last name included — in the front row of the student section.

Comments

Wolverine 73

October 27th, 2014 at 12:26 PM ^

I remember his angry comments at the end of the Ohio State game in 1968 when the borderline-psychotic Woody Hayes tried a two pioint conversion to make the score 50, and explained he'd gone for two because "you can't go for three.  IIRC, he said something to the effect that "we'll see those guys next year at our house,"  although that doesn't begin to capture the seething in the comments.  So Dantonio runs up the score with a meaningless TD at the end--which no classy coach EVER does--and Hoke puts out a fucking apology for some dumb-assed stake in the ground at the start of the game?  Lord, deliver us from this buffoon and give us a coach with fire who gets pissed and knows how to craft an effective game plan and develop players. 

Rufus X

October 27th, 2014 at 3:08 PM ^

Running up the score entails passing, calling timeouts, running a hurry up, going for two, kicking a field goal etc.  They did none of these.  

Yes, MSU could've taken a knee.  But they ran the ball over and over, using the same formation (unbalenced line shift) and we couldn't stop them, even though we knew it was coming. We were manhandled the whole day.  We sure showed them with the tent spike though!

 

RagingBean

October 27th, 2014 at 12:26 PM ^

It's a damn tragedy that the AD closed up tight when Brandon arrived, because an insider account of the Hoke era would be an amazing companion piece to Three and Out. Completely different kind of disaster caused by completely different failures at different levels.

What I most want to know is just "How did it come to this?" Like, really, why did no one ever step in and say "This is not going to work?"

UMfanKT

October 27th, 2014 at 12:27 PM ^

Not sure what was worse...the product on the field or the fact that our sniveling head coach apologizes for his attempted use of a prop to motivate his players.  I have a hard time believing that Brady is really that clueless.  You tried to motivate your players and it failed miserably (like pretty much everything the past few years).  Goes from talking about being all "tough and physical" to apologizing to the opposing team...no wonder our team has accepted its losing mentality.  It is OK to try and install a little hatred for this game instead of this "just another game" bull shit.  It's OK to light a fire under the asses of your players.  Dantonio has done just that and guess what...6-1 since he's been there.  And let's face it...we were EXTREMELY LUCKY to even get that 1.  

"I'm sorry Mr. Dantonio...it will never happen again...I'll go back to AA and write on the chalkboard 1000 times that I am sorry for my actions".  Give me a freaking break!!!

I Like Burgers

October 27th, 2014 at 12:28 PM ^

This whole program is such a steaming pile of shit right now, it makes me wonder how deep the problem runs, and if a new coach is even going to be able to fix it.  The entire thing needs to be operation clean sweap.  Just remove every one and anyone connected to the football team from the AD down to the water boy.

I mean the whole thing is so bad, that Sparty can kick us in the dick, talk shit about us after the game, and then we say "sorry" and I just shrug my shoulders at the whole thing.  Its the same reaction as if I passed a stranger on the street and they told me they had a turkey sandwich for lunch.  Cool story bro.  None of it really phases me anymore, and the sad and worrying thing is that once you stop caring about something, its really hard to give a shit again.  That worries me for 2015 and beyond.

MGoTarHeel

October 27th, 2014 at 12:31 PM ^

Honestly what bothered me most about going for two after the meaningless late touchdown was that it was completely pointless. They would have been down 3 scores whether they kicked the PAT, got the conversion, or failed the conversion. Yes technically being down 17 instead of 18 or 19 technically meant they only needed 2 TDs with XP and a FG rather than 2 TDs with a conversion and a FG or 3 TDs, but that's a ridiculous point. They would have needed THREE onside kicks for that to become an issue, and running an extra play before even getting the first is just putting more starters at risk of injury. Especially when you punted just a few minutes before.



Doing meaningless, stupid things to make it look like you're still trying, when you've already called ahead for seating at Bennigan's for the post-game. At least he's a great guy.

alum96

October 27th, 2014 at 12:32 PM ^

I am looking at Brian's projected record for 2015.  I am looking at my own projection, with a brand new QB, no WRs who can create any separation, and that same OL who will be "it cant be worse!" older, and a modest defense that loses its 2 best players in Clark and Ryan and I am preparing for a long summer of getting downvoted for being EMO.

Open the season @Utah and game 4 vs whirling dervish QB from BYU, who is a carbon copy of 20 years of QBs that have beaten us? That's 2-2.  Extrapolte from  there. 

Throw in new offense, new terminology, etc etc - not buying the kool aid of 8-4 next year.

alum96

October 27th, 2014 at 1:36 PM ^

Oregon State loses its QB to the draft (Sean mannion) - he is a top 5-6 QB prospect so I am assuming with a 1st year QB they will face the same issues we do with our 1st year QB.   Mike Riley is a decent coach however.  We'll see who we get.  It has the feel of 2 cows rubbing against each other for 60 minutes... i.e. PSU v UM

FreddieMercuryHayes

October 27th, 2014 at 12:46 PM ^

Unless you believe that UM just got every single recruit that doesn't live up to or exceed expectations, there is a lot of untapped talent on this team. It wasn't just recruiting sites; the classes Hoke recruited featured more prospects with offers from Bama and OSU than any other stretch in the recruiting service era (plus a lot of prospects offered by Dantonio as well). I think with proper coaching, this team could be quite good. I totally buy 8-4 with the proper coach.



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I Like Burgers

October 27th, 2014 at 1:55 PM ^

I agree that there is talent on the roster, but I'm wondering how much of that talent is still untapped, and how much is just broken or infected with poor coaching.  I'm hopefull for the underclassmen on the roster, but for the junior and seniors, I think they are what they are at this point.  Best case you probably get them to 75% of what their potential was entering the program.

UMaD

October 27th, 2014 at 1:04 PM ^

Talking about this year is pointless, but talking about next year is too. Until we know the coach, and the returning players, it's ridiculous to make a prediction, even if it's an upside one.

8-4 is a pipe dream. The "I'm not worried about UNC and UVA" line and throwing out 8-4 are both indicitave of the kind of delusional arrogance that Michigan fans are criticized for.  Those programs are clearly superior if you set aside the intangible "prestige". Maybe even if not.

Michigan can't just roll out of bed and beat up on Utah and Oregon State and BYU. Utah's been a better program for at least a decade now. It's not 1992...

Though you wouldn't know it from our cast of "big boy" personnel.  Our QBs are garbage or young or both.  Our skill position guys are stunningly slow.  Our OL has not been developed in the least, meaning they're essentially all going to be red-shirt freshman even if their college transcripts and beards say otherwise.

Nobody has any idea if Morgan, Bolden, and Charlton are coming back or not. Maybe Kugler, Kalis, Canteen and Green want a program with some stability and sense. The continued assumption that we will retain 100% of meaningful talent is bordering on delusional, uncharacteristic of this usually-logical blog. This recruiting class tops out at [insert number for maximum allowed recruiting class], not 16.

I won't dispute that our defensive talent is solid overall but it's not enough to go 8-4. The otherside of the ball is such a giant cluster. Our D would have to be a lot better than it has been the last 3 years. Since I (still) think Mattison and company are solid coaches, expecting a leap requires the same sort of logic that had you talking yourself into Nussmeir as savior for 2014.  We won't improve significantly on D, regardless of what transpires in the next 3 months.

The reality of this Michigan program is that it would be a huge success to make a bowl next year. Any bowl.  The next head coach should be considered a success if he can drive this Michigan program back to competancy - it's 7 to 9 wins a year. We can worry about competing for titles when we're not a lower-division Big 10 team.

Alum96 is right.  There is no reason to expect 2015 to be that much better and the schedule is harder for a team attempting to swim upstream.

His Dudeness

October 27th, 2014 at 1:24 PM ^

I agree with you on most of this but to assume most kids who have been in AA for two years or more will just transfer if Hoke is fired - isn't realistic in my opinion.

These guys have friends, girlfriends, relationships that they have built over two years in AA and it isn't likely they bolt because a new guy comes in.



Freshmen? Absolutely a possibility, but some of the players you mention might see a new coach as an oppurtunity. I'm sure Furman would have liked a new coach last season.

Hoke isn't Michigan Football nor is he the Michigan experience.

UMaD

October 27th, 2014 at 1:46 PM ^

Who is assuming "most" will transfer. I'm just saying it's not going to be zero.

We've seen a number of 5th year guys go in the past.  It won't take much for a player, especially an out-of-state player, to see a coaching transition and poor prospects for success in 2015 to choose to move to a better program.  You think these guys haven't noticed what Furman, Rawls, etc. are doing away from AA?  Is it better to sit out a year at an Oklahoma State, a Duke, a Washington or play through whatever transition happens in AA?  Particularly for guys who haven't red-shirted yet.  James Ross has options, and frankly, might be better off transferring to Tennessee (or whatever).  RJS has been buried but has talent. How would Dennis Norfleet look in a functional spread offense? These OLmen would probably enjoy getting some capable coaching. You get the point...

I actually think Freshman and Soph are less likely to leave than veterans, because they might be convinced to see the light at the end of the tunnel.  For the vets, it's their last chance to write a story with a happy ending.

Some will stay, for sure. Probably most will. My point is that there are damn good reasons for some to leave, so asserting that the class size "tops out" at any number is pretty ridiculous right now.

Hiring somebody like Harbaugh would help retention.  Signing somebody like Frost (scheme change) or Schiano (notorious asshole) would not. We just don't know; asserting otherwise is well...very optimistic.

True Blue Grit

October 27th, 2014 at 2:20 PM ^

But I think it will mostly depend on who the new coach is and how fast he can fix the malaise.  If you believe that we have a good amount of talent at most positions that has been poorly coached, then theoretically, someone could come in and get it turned around quickly.  Hard to say in any case.  Personally I'm trying to tell myself that Morris can be a good QB if he gets the right coaching and O.C.  

UMaD

October 27th, 2014 at 3:33 PM ^

-Wasn't heavily recruited (I know, I know, everyone thought he was a UM lock, but since when does that stop elite recruits from getting recruited by anybody else of note.)

-Has looked awful through 2 years

-Borges recruits track record is bad

At some point the recruiting rankings have to be displaced by available evidence.

Not to say we should give up on Morris. He has a good arm and can run. He's probably the best we have.  But expecting him to be good in 2015 is a leap.

The best thing that could have happened to Morris would have been a red-shirt last year or this year. That might still be true next year.

SalvatoreQuattro

October 27th, 2014 at 1:27 PM ^

Oh.



Moeller ran a progressive pro style offense. that utilized TEMPO.Gary Moeller ran a no huddle at times. What Michigan ran then works now as the NFL shows.



The 97' combined a fast back 7 with a physical front four. This what elite defenses now use. It was an attacking, physical defense. I don't see how anyone would not want that.



UMaD

October 27th, 2014 at 1:51 PM ^

You and Hoke are two peas in a pod.  Moeller never gets enough credit for moderning the offense, but guess what - football didn't stop there. It kept going and, if anything, evolved even faster.  Your talking about 20 years ago, man.

Look to the future or get passed by those who do.  Even Jim Harbaugh is running a bunch of read plays that leave defenders unblocked.

rainking

October 27th, 2014 at 12:35 PM ^

think Dantonio "ran up the score." it's not his job to stop his offense. It's the UM D's job. Yeah Dantonio is a douche, but the late TD isn't a reason why imo