Urban Negative Recruiting Michigan...
Details on Urban Meyer's special dinner with Hilliard, Harris, Cornell, etc #crootin pic.twitter.com/yU6DkHKnx1
— nezz21〽 (@nezzy21) June 1, 2014
Really sucks if these kids are eating this up the way this guy says they were. Not surprising from urban though.
I made this account a while back as an homage to "rationalmfan" or something along those lines, who was a pretty useful opposition POV at 11w
The unethical part is him lying to these kids. How exactly does the Michigan coaching staff fault the players and not themselves for their losses? And yeah, they're recruiting similar talent now, but Urban inherited a loaded team whereas after 2011 Hoke had essentially nothing. It's both unethical and just a shallow thing to do, but this is par for the course for the "Jesus of Ashtabula" and Ohio State Football as a whole.
Meyer is not "just pointing to the numbers" - far from it. In the example (which may or may not be true) Meyer is speculating about the level of trust the coaches put in the players and the level of blame the coaches assign to the players vs themselves. This is pure speculation on Meyer's part yet he doesn't disclose that with a qualifier. That is misleading to the kids. That is not the same thing as saying "well we won 24 straight and they are not nearly so successful".
As an aside, Borges blaming "execution" in press conferences is one source of fuel for Meyer's speculation (assuming he really said that stuff). It's a leap to go from what Borges said to what Meyer is claiming but it's another reason for coaches to be very careful what they say to the media.
If we were, you know, WINNING GAMES, what could Urban say? Don't go to Michigan, all you'll do there is win games and get a world class education while living in one of the top 5 college towns in the nation.
Assuming this is true, I have no problem with him pointing out that we're 7-5 or whatever troubles we had on the field. For him to question the Michigan coaches' trust in the players is completely out of line though. He has no fucking clue what goes on inside our lockerroom and he should really keep his fucking mouth shut about it.
Fuck urban meyer.
And I expected Urban to "respect" us!
While I'm sure Urban is consistently being a douche because that's just his general personality, we pretty much negative recruited ourselves the last two seasons, particularly 2013. Best way to combat it is to have a good 2014, beat OSU and MSU and look good doing it. Can't stop the lies or half truths perpetuated by some coaches.
I think just beating them is the first step.
1. He told Darryl Stonum that the Carr coaches told him that Stonum would never succeed under RR. Stonum asked the Carr staff whether this was true, and they of course said it was not.
2. He told DT Sharif Floyd that he had a dream in which he died on the sideline coaching Floyd. He then told Floyd, more-or-less, that dying while coaching him was worth it.
You can argue that shame is a handicap.
Through an open records request I was able to get a transcript of that conversation:
Urban M. - I had a dream about you last night, Sharif.
SF - What?
Urban M. - Well, I dream about you every night. But last night's dream seemed so ... real.
SF - Uhhmmm, OK.
Urban M. - Sharif, do you believe that sometimes people share the same dream?
SF - Uh, I don't know anything about that coach.
Urban M. - Well, in my dream last night, you were lined up against Michigan. Your uniform fit ... perfectly, and there was a glimmer in your eyes.
SF - Uh Coach, you don't need to tell me this.
Urban M. - I want to. Anyway, you burst through Michigan's line, every muscle in your body pumped, and brought down Devin Gardner. Gardner burst into a cloud of smoke, as did the rest of Michigan's team. There was the sound of harps, and Woody Hayes appeared and told me it was time to join him. I was dead, but I was also happy.
SF - Whoah.
Urban M. - Did you have the same dream, Sharif?
SF - No - I had a dream where JoePa yelled at me and the rest of the world maniacally seething "Come to Penn State!!!"
Urban M. - Oh.
All this does is confirm what we all knew was probably happening all along. And honestly? In a weird way, this helps Michigan,because we don't want the sorts of kids who are so easily swayed by that BS to come here anyway.
I don't care what they're swayed by. As long as the coaches aren't giving them heroin or sex slaves, then just get them here so we can win some damn games.
I agree with so much of what you wrote about what Meyer should have said. I'm not so sure Hoke was DB's 4th choice and I am less sure that DB even wanted Harbaugh or Miles. You might be right about the order of candidates but I wouldn't assume that is fact.
My recollection might be faulty, and it's probably based more on having read much of what was being written on this board about the other coaches who were being considered at the time.
I'd thought that the Les-Miles-to-Michigan story got the earliest buzz because of Kirk Hirbstreit's revelations; and then, after Les Miles debunked that rumor, I thought that much was being written about turning to Jim Harbaugh, and later to Greg Schiano, before the Brady Hoke decision was made.
I don't know the man, but I hope he succeeds in restoring glory to Michigan football; and I've liked Brady Hoke ever since this moment:
Is there anyone on this site that isn't delusional? One who even knows if this is a true story. There's a picture of a Facebook message, tweeted by a guy with a twitter account of like 100 followers. Secondly, if it is true, he didn't lie. I saw someone earlier say yeah we recruit the same talent but he had to deal with Rich Rods players and that's why we went 7-6. What about the 11-2 season? Is it so wrong to actually see that it's been a steady decline since Hoke got to Michigan? And also whoever posted UM winning by 14 in Columbus this year, I'll meet you down there in November and we can bet any amount of money you would like and I'll gladly take 14 points.
Has the last three years been ANY indicator to you? Despite UMs record...The Game has been very competitive, as it should be, the last three years. If you're giving 14, I'll take that bet.
Someone said above "Michigan by 14 this year in Columbus". Im saying I will gladly take 14 points.
He realizes that Michigan is a threat, and that the only thing Ohio State has on Ann Arbor is their record. He needs to talk down Michigan as much as he can too make that armpit of Columbus seem reasonably near the beauty and prestige of the University of Michigan. Atleast that's my guess..
that C-bus isn't as nice as Ann Arbor, but its not that bad...its actually a decent campus.
Fuck you Ohio State, fuck you.
So what does it say when his undefeated team beat a 7-6 Michigan with no running game and a broken QB by one point?
Meyer turned Tebow into an NCAA rule violator and criticized UF for having character problems in their players. He neglected to mention that these players were the ones that he himself had recruited. Or that they included recruits he had previously lied to, when he claimed he was staying at UF, then left. Or that he claimed health issues for dumping the team, but then took a similar HC job a year later.
Character issues, in his players? Pot meet kettle.
And if he wants to criticize UM now for a lack of trustworthiness, the guy really needs to look in the mirror.
come get a degree without having to play school.
Urban's a douchbag and karma's a mofo
and karma's a mofo.
If only that were really true and could be banked upon.....
I heard Urban hangs out with alleged murders like Aaron Hernandez and Craig James. How's that for negative?
Call facts what they are. Facts. We went 7-6. We had a shitty season. But to call out the coaching staff like that is a lowlife scumbag move. And I'd expect no less from a slimeball like Meyer.
I'd like to know if Hoke used the same talking points when OSU went 7-6 just before Meyer showed up. I'm guessing not, but who knows.
That said, it's the reality of recruiting. I'd be surprised if other teams didn't point out UM's struggles.
He should have and every winning coach would have. It's a competitive advantage you would be dumb for not taking.
"Michigan coaches would have you believe it's the players fault." ....which is why Al Borges still has a job with the university.
wet, film at 11
The kids we want won't be swayed by immature recruiting tools.
Is there a point when negative recruiting such as this could constitute slander to a University/program..... Seems like some things said are intentionally damaging to someones reputation (in this case the UofM football program) and if statements made are anything but 100% true, they could be look at as slanderous.
Sadly they are factual statements.
No they're not. The UM coaching staff does not act as if the players are entirely at fault for every loss. In Hoke's pressers after a loss he immediately puts it on himself. So once again, Urban Meyer is lying.
Too bad Hoke didn't have his competitive attitude. He will win a championship. fuck
really say anything that wasn't true despite being a dick. However, this is reason #1,455,547,371 to either BACK AFUGGIN BRINK'S TRUCK to either Harbaugh house, apologize (if Jim, just do it even if you don't feel you have to)and beg. OR......say "fugyou" to the lineage and just give that cash to the best coach who will take it. IS THIS MICHIGAN? Yes. Yes, it is. We have the money so go buy a guy that will knock this dude's ass out on the field. His offense is old by read option standards. His defense is truly just good players paying defense. We have good players, too. And we can get more with a guy that belongs at Michigan. Nothing in Hoke as he was/is right....this is MICHIGAN. Pay someone so much they can't say no. I can't do another decade of this, lol.
C'mon Hoke fire up!
despite Bo having been full of fire. At some point, like him or not, Carr changed what it means to be a HC at Michigan. Apparently, you sit quiet as your main rival doors everything in their power to make you their bitch. It's gentlemanly. It's what a "Michigan Man" does.....just don't tell Bo's ghost.
An Urban recruit just got released from the NY Giants.
So what you say?
Well, it's his 4 failed drug test...which in the NFL means like it's his 14th, but 4th public one.
So what you say?
I agree, couldn't care less...except it's Will Hill!
You forgot Will Hill?
Let me refresh you to the only thing better than the Fuck Lion.
#SOUR!
http://www.everydayshouldbesaturday.com/2011/1/19/1943956/the-happy-foo…
refer people to his recruitment whenever the "Urban is a scumbag debate" happens. Unreal. #datsour
UM sure does talk alot for a team that has only won 3 games against Ohio State since the year 2000.....
This won't end well. Good night sweet prince.
What the faq does your post even mean?
yesterday and said there was a parent of a high end recruit that Michigan and Ohio State were both very heavily recruiting. The parent said they couldn't stand Urban Meyer and Sam's comment was that Ohio State can write this recruit off. I guess you have to look at McDowell and say that may not be true but this parent despised him.
A number of names crossed my mind, Harris, Clark, Weber, Cornell. It will be interesting to see if someones top list changes soon.
But the other comment was an insinuation that the Urban thing is wearing thin in Ohio which is why they have all of 3 recruits giving verbals at this point.