May 20th, 2014 at 9:54 PM ^

You are a Walmart because you seem to be an exceptionally unsophisticated and likely uneducated person who - with no real self-awareness - pledges his heart and soul to the athletic teams at an elite university. To me, that is a Walmart fan. I don't care if Spartans use it. In some cases (not many, but some) it rings true.

I'm not pinning anything on either coaching regime here. If Kalis, Green, Morris and Pipkins all bust, it's not Hoke's fault that they didn't produce as high as their rankings. It is more fodder for rankings being overrated and more examples of fans making fools of themselves for taking them so seriously.




May 20th, 2014 at 8:43 PM ^

The only people he mentioned that actually busted were Tate Forcier, Sam McGuffie, and Kevin Grady. Donovan Warren was decent. Steve Shilling, Ryan Mallett, and Brandon Graham turned out to be pretty good players. Will Campbell was one of our best defensive plyers in 2012. As for Ondre Pipkins, Shane Morris, Derrick Green, Kyle Kalis they've played at most 1-1.5 seasons.


May 20th, 2014 at 9:29 PM ^

You seem to be struggling mightily with this.

I brought up players in the last 10 years who were five stars or who had something that approached similar hype to Peppers.

I stated that very clearly before listing them alongside widely held opinions on their performances.

What is hard about this for you?


May 20th, 2014 at 10:29 PM ^

Define "hype?" DG had no "hype?" Funchess had no "hype? " You cherry picked to prove your negative argument. If that makes you feel better then by all means keep posting but I would venture to say our "busts" compare with other top programs.


May 20th, 2014 at 11:58 PM ^

You read wrong. He's not saying that Peppers has a chance of not working out. Everyone knows there's busts everywhere. He is saying that Peppers won't work out based on flimsy evidence by calling Ryan Mallett and others busts. A worded post like "I don't know why you guys are so high on Peppers when he hasn't even played a down at Michigan yet. He might not work out the way you think." would be much more fair and balanced then "All Michigan 4/5 stars are busts" when guys he listed like Steve Shilling, Brandon Graham were actually great players at Michigan and Ryan Mallett was one of the best qbs in arkansas history. Plus he includes only 4 stars that help his argument that all the players we recruit are busts. Taylor Lewan and Mike Martin don't count apparently. Go figure.


May 20th, 2014 at 11:40 PM ^

Even as someone who likes Devin Garnder a lot - sorry, he hasn't been good enough to be a big boon to the "hyped" category if you want to throw him in there.

I define hype by what I have been reading online for years. You're telling me that Michigan fans WEREN'T collectively pissing their pants about McGuffie six years ago?


May 20th, 2014 at 9:26 PM ^

No I'm not. I listed every five star. The only 4 stars I listed were McGuffie (hyped to the moon by fans because of the hurdling runs and because he was white), Forcier (who the largest spring game crowd ever came out to see in 2009) and Turner (almost a five-star and thought to be a sure thing).


May 20th, 2014 at 9:37 PM ^

What 4 stars turned out great that were even remotely close to Peppers in hype and whose hype was at the same level of the ones I listed (Turner, Forcier, McGuffie, Morris)? Answer me that and I'll concede cherry-picking. You can't produce that list.

Hell, if anything I was nice. I didn't even mention Carlos Brown!

Mr. Yost

May 21st, 2014 at 4:14 AM ^

I don't even disagree with 80 percent of what you said, I thought the walmart piece was arrogant and in poor taste, but who the hell am I to judge I'll shut up on that.

You're actually right on most of what you're saying. So hopefully this validates and you can take the moral victory that someone acknowledged it and move on.

For the record, Denard didn't have half the hype of Tate, you're corrrect. You're also correct that Charles Woodson doesn't make this list of 10 years. Carlos Brown didn't have the hype of these other guys, so it was smart not to list him. Funchess didn't either, he didn't even play in one of the big HS AA games.

I don't think guys like Morris, Pipkins or Dymonte Thomas should even be mentioned in this though.

My one real thought on this is that I think this is a situation where you can come up with "facts" to support your case, but they're not really tell any kind of story. It's a cute argument, but each situation is different. It also doesn't give you any type of real indicator on predicting the future.

For as much as you can argue that these are "facts," I can argue that it's pure coincidence.

Using stuff like this is like how the media always uses past records to compare teams and predict outcomes. "Such and such hasn't won here as a lower seed since 1950"...what the fuck does that have to do with today and these two teams?

Those are trivia and fun facts, not indicators. What you did is toss our fun facts (that aren't so fun), which is fine...but then you tried to use it as an indicator for Peppers, which you nor anyone else can do.


May 21st, 2014 at 4:29 PM ^

asked for a list of guys that came in the the hype of the #2 player in the country who has been called the best cb recruit in the past 10 years? I am sure we have a huge list of players that can fall into that category. lol We have a word or people like you...


May 20th, 2014 at 9:39 PM ^

Although that is a list of pretty impressive high school recruits, correct me if I'm wrong, but none of them were ranked as high as Peppers.  And, none of had the physical tools of Peppers.  Peppers has an NFL body in high school and has no real weakness.  I would have to go back and read all their recruiting profiles, but looking at the list I'm guessing they all had some weaknesses.  The only weakness I've ever heard of Peppers is occasionally he can be too aggressive.  Maybe Graham or Woodley didn't have many weaknesses, but I doubt it...even they were probably at the very least had less than ideal height.  


May 21st, 2014 at 9:41 AM ^

wtf NEMA... 

Look at your list again... these guys were playing as true freshmen and sophomores... this isn't dantoni's msu playing as 5th year seniors.... lets see about Green and Kalis and Morris, as upperclassmen....   and McGuffie and Forcier wouldve been sweet as upperclassmen.

I'll give you Turner and Campbell, the latter who shouldve been an offensive guard here only.


May 21st, 2014 at 11:05 AM ^

Mallet and Graham (Green approaching) are the only two recruits you mentioned who are in the same tier as JP (as a prospect). Mallet and Graham were CFB studs. Woodley and Prescott Burgess would also be in that tier. Henne is approaching that tier. I'm hopeful he is on the Woodley/Graham level, but even if he is more like Burgess, that helps the team (though the pressure will be immense). It will be very surprising if he isn't a productive starter and I'll be personally surpised if he isn't a stud. 

I'm not ready to compare him to CW, though...that's a bit much for any kid at this point.


May 20th, 2014 at 7:55 PM ^

You do have to like what Woodson said about Peppers a few days ago all the same:

“You can see the confidence just spilling out of this guy’s pores,” Woodson told WTKA host Sam Webb. “It was exciting for me to just get a chance to share a little bit with him and meet with him. I’m looking for big things out of him, I really am."


May 20th, 2014 at 8:00 PM ^

To have a gut feeling that this kid will end up seeing more snaps on offense than we anticipate. I know I'm probably wrong, but I can't help getting giddy about the possibility.

Frito Bandito

May 20th, 2014 at 9:25 PM ^

The fanbase prophesied his dominance and his coming would hail the destruction of Ohio State, the SEC and all of College football. Ending the war and bringing freedom to our people. That is why there are those who have spent their entire lives searching the country looking for him.



May 21st, 2014 at 11:33 AM ^

Holy cow man, you really are struggling with this. Mike Martin was the 193rd overall prospect. Not a 5 star or uber hyped. Taylor Lewan was the 194th overall prospect. Also, not a 5 star or uber hyped. Give it up. If I read correctly, all he was trying to say was lets hold on before we start calling him OMGZ best player EVAR. Our coaching staff has a less than stellar record as far as player development goes. If you can think of a 5 STAR or CRAZY HYPED 4 STAR that was not mentioned, then please let us know. I don't know why this is such a hard concept for you to grasp.