Webb: Michigan offers Aubrey Dawkins
Big day. Whoa.
#Michigan has offered 2014 New Hampton (N.H.) Prep guard Aubrey Dawkins
Yet both Kansas and Duke have not based their blueblood status on one and done's. Most of their championships have come from great players surrounded by great role players.
even their roleplayers where highly regarded
i thought the program had a chance to become elite but more wisconsin, gonzaga level
Yet, that's what you are saying Brunson doesn't want. In your arguement, Duke and Kansas would never have gotten Brunson in their championship years because their role layers were highy recruited? So you want us to recruit depth and role players like bluebloods (everybody is highly ranked), but always have openings and no depth in case highly ranked want a clear path to the starting job.
I understand now.
No, Kansas and Duke has no one at that position in 15-16
McQuaid, Coleman and Brunson were all likely 3-4 year guys that were haevily UM leans. Now you get one.
So are saying Brunson and Coleman potential one and dones or are they 3-4 year players? Or are you saying they are one and done talents that will be here for 3 - 4 years? Are you saying they will be starters or role players/depth. If you are saying they will start from day 1, then how are you saying they will be 3-4 year players? Most players that start from day one in an established program aren't 3-4 year players. Or are you saying that they aren't good enough for early entry to The NBA? If they aren't, then can't we find someone else at their talent level? Please clarify.
1. Brunson and Coleman are multi-year and I don't expect either to start their freshmen year. I expected UM to use 2 PG and 3 small guard lineups extensively. Coleman and Brunson are both too small/ physically underdeveloped for 1&D but their skill level cannot be questioned. With that said, I see MAAR and Dawkins (if he commits) eating up 20-30 mpg their first year just from experience and from a physical standpoint. The Jalens would fully surpass them in year 2 but do they want to wait?
What you're saying is possible, but I bet they don't see it that way. I don't think either of them will be deterred by a couple of true frosh seeing very little PT. They will be looking at starters and who is coming back. Most people feel Caris won't come back, which would leave a starting spot open.
it's interesting how now you say you don't expect either to start their freshman year, but you said that Kansas and Duke will promise them a starting spot immediately.
Because Kansas and Duke are 1&D mills and will have nothing there, as far as Brunson.
Self has beeen scrambling for areal PG since Mario Chalmers and Cook/Jones are gone after next year
I believe that JB will play the best lineup for the program. You seem not to think that, correct?
April 19th, 2014 at 10:27 PM ^
The last two years (the two since Beilein started landing highly pursued players), UCLA, Indiana, and North Carolina have won 2 NCAA tournament games. Kansas, Ohio State, and Duke have won 3. MSU, Syracuse, and Kentucky have won 5. UConn has won 6. Florida has won 7.
Michigan has won 8 (tied with Louisville for most in the country). And has gone 3-2 against the teams on that list in the Big Dance. And sent 4 guys to the NBA. If Mitch comes back we're a top-10 team again with at least two more first round picks on the roster. We had Mr. Basketball in the state of Indiana coming off the bench last year and redshirted a top-100 recruit. Maybe this staff has the program on the right track and knows a little bit more about the team's needs going forward than you do?
I screwed this up in my post above, too, but he did lose to Ohio a couple of years ago in what's for all intents and purposes the first round.
Still, I'm with you on this.
Beilein has never lost in the first round? So we actually beat Ohio two years ago? Boy that's good to hear.
Last time I trust Wikipedia over my own memory. They had under JB's page UM going to the 2nd round in 2012.
Wikipedia is right it's considered the second round...just not be anybody who cares.
Sent their coach to Illinois and Levert to us.
A co conference championship in 2012
Let it play out! Coach b knows what he's doing!!
Maybe we will have more seniors..... uhhhh SOME seniors playing in 3 or 4 years. Ill take seasoned vets like JMo, Stu, and Zak all day. Chatman, Walton, Irvin, and Donnal will carry us in the mean time. One elite SG and C away from being loaded for a while!!!
It seems like the best programs can mix solid 3-5 year players in with 1-2 year players which is right about where we're at right now. I'm all for bringing in some guys who might fill the role player slot or can be solid 4 year guys. Programs with too much one-and-dones are too variable (see: UK) and obviously NBA talent is good.
I dont look at these as wastes of scholarships , it adds depth to our program. These guys have higher ceilings than Stu and Zak so I cant wait to see what coach B can do with them!
Let's say Dawkins picks Michigan, it's still easy to see Michigan with four openings next year: Mitch goes, Caris goes, Hatch ends up on a medical, Bielfeldt doesn't return for his fifth year. And of course there's always the chance of someone else transferring or going pro (Irvin?)...Michigan can still, if they're so lucky, take the Jalens, McQuaid, and a big.
and planned on taking the first to commit? All it says is that he was offered. I know Beilein is careful with his offers but it is conceivable that he felt they were close enough talent wise that it was first taker gets it and made it clear to them both.
Haha. I love the people bitching in this thread. Times certainly are good if we're complaining after the recent records.
Let the coaches worry about this stuff. They seem to know what they're doing.
April 19th, 2014 at 10:09 PM ^
God forbid we discuss something on a message board
April 19th, 2014 at 11:48 PM ^
Yeah, but the bitching seems over the top as A) there is a scholarship available, B) guard depth for next year isn't great, C) the kids got hops and seems like a four year guy. I like taking a flier on him and hope his offer is still good after thee MAAR commitment. Hope this guy ends up with the good guys as well.
Drake Harris is a top 100 SG. Would be nice if he would play huh!
some people on this site are the worst.
michigan offers two <6'5" guys ==> mcgary must be gone.
michigan is offering two **-*** star talents ==> no ***** talent wants to compete with that!
we only have a sliver of the picture. why assume the worst? these two guys could both be the next laverts, mcgary can still stay, and we can still land those ***** talents. why not be happy about this? what is their to complain about with this program?
sheesh. sorry for being a dick here, but its really easy to spot the people who started following M ball in the last 18 months.
Agree. Because everyone on here knows more than the coaches do.
April 20th, 2014 at 11:05 AM ^
Lost in all this is the very real possibility that this is the last year for one and dones for a while. The new NBA commisioner has made it his top priority to raise the minimum age to 20. This will allow top players to go to the shcool they feel will develop them the best, not neccesarily where they will get immediate playing time. In that scenario, Michigan's recent success in developing players is a huge, huge factor.
Not disagreeing with your larger point, but the most recent articles I've read, such as this one, say any changes won't take effect for the 2015 draft.
Silver said a change was unlikely for next season, and a transition period would be necessary whenever one was made.