[Patrick Barron]

Wisconsin Postgame Presser: Jim Harbaugh Comment Count

Adam Schnepp September 23rd, 2019 at 10:13 AM

[Hi, everybody. I dusted* off the headphones and transcribed this because we figured you'd be pretty interested in reading what was said chronologically with all the proper context a little more than FBO. There's still going to be FBO, but it'll run tomorrow. Also, our own David Nasternak went all the way to Madison to obtain this audio plus I've done this a few hundred times, and it wouldn't be nice to make David go all that way for nothing. You know the feeling.]

[*That's not even true. I used my headphones a couple days ago to transcribe an interview for an in-progress profile, but that doesn't give the first sentence the same zip.]

Jim, Nick [Eubanks] was just in there saying the offense does not have an identity yet and it’s going to take time to get—his word—fluent in this offense. Where do you think this offense is right now? And obviously you didn’t have the ball that much.

“Yeah, I thought that Wisconsin had a great gameplan. Executed it extremely well. Outplayed us offensively and defensively. Things they did really well we were unable to do in terms of establishing a running game, having the play action come off of that. They blocked better, they tackled better, they had a better plan and executed it extremely well today.”

How do you explain that? Both teams were off last week. Having the extra time to prepare, why didn’t Michigan look as prepared?

“Um, yeah, we were outplayed…outprepared and outcoached. The whole thing. I mean…both offensively and defensively, that was thorough. We knew it about their team. They’ve got the ability. They’re good enough and if they play good enough they’re good enough to beat you thoroughly, and that’s what happened today.”

Josh [Metellus] mentioned that they had some different schemes than they did last year running with Taylor. In terms of the line play, what did you see as the difference? You guys weren’t able to be as successful as you wanted on the line.

“Again, I think…I mean, their ability to block and tackle was really good today. And there were holes inside and we shut those holes off inside. He had the ability to bounce them to the outside and controlled the game with the running game—easy to see that—and make the big plays as well. It was impressive.”

Jim, you mentioned establishing the run game. You guys were not able to do that. Was that by necessity or by choice? What happened?

“It wasn’t by choice.”

Is Zach [Charbonnet] hurt?

“No.”

“Limited, but…”

[After THE JUMP: the Mason wrinkle, going downfield, Gattis as a play caller, why McCaffrey started the second half and an injury update]

Can you talk about what you were looking for with Mason at running back the first series and how detrimental was that fumble given the emphasis you’ve put on ball security?

“Uh, yeah, it was in the scoring position. That was another really good play by them. The tackle was right on the ball and the ball came out. Started working Ben at—he’s worked some at tailback and we were working him especially this week, and that was unfortunate.”

Was that a depth issue or just a different wrinkle with him carrying the ball?

“Yeah, a wrinkle.”

What was the difference late when you were effective attacking downfield?

“Made some plays downfield. Both Nico [Collins] and Tarik [Black]. Shea got the ball—we threw some deep balls and made some plays. Guys kept fighting.”

Are there any concerns right now with Josh [Gattis] as a play caller? Is there anything that needs to be sorted out before you can get that identity you’re looking for as an offense?

“Uh…no. It’s a team effort offensively. Defensively, we didn’t play our best, no question about it. They played really well. So we come back and we’ve got a lot to fix.”

What do you want the offensive identity of the football team to be?

“Uh, to be able to run the ball, to be able to throw the ball. Both equally. Effective and efficient. Definitely little things we’ve got to do and we’ve got to do better.”

When you say outplayed, outcoached, outprepared. how difficult is it for you to admit that? Is it sort of a gut punch for you as a coach and for the staff?

“It’s a gut check, for sure. I would say it that way. And you go back to work.”

Dylan [McCaffrey] came in to replace Shea [Patterson]. Was that just for this game or is that position going to be open going forward?

“Shea was being evaluate at halftime and then we put Dylan in to start the second half.”

How’s Dylan doing?

“Dylan’s…he’s got a concussion. So, uh…looked like he was—I won’t comment on it, but seemed like it was clearing up for him.”

Comments

BlueMetal

September 23rd, 2019 at 2:18 PM ^

The first one didn't strike me as "dirty" but definitely unnecessary. The QB is sliding, all you have to do is touch him down there. 

 

The second one was disgusting and I was kind of appalled at how zero Wisconsin players were even remotely concerned by the possibility of a serious injury there, only whether or not they had recovered the football. 

UMinSF

September 23rd, 2019 at 3:48 PM ^

The first one clearly looked to me like he was trying to pull up. McCaffrey's slide was pretty awkward, and he didn't go into it until the defender was really close. Guy's form wasn't great as he ducked his head a bit, but I don't think he was head-hunting.

These days they're gonna call that targeting, but IMO it wasn't dirty.

The second one was awful. Dirty, cheap and brutal.

Reggie Dunlop

September 23rd, 2019 at 11:14 AM ^

He had 30 carries two weeks ago and was seemingly the only guy on the field the coaches trusted against Army.

    *a full week of injury rumors goes by*

Charbonnet has 2 carries against Wisconsin and was the 3rd running back to play behind Turner and Ben Mason. 

What do you think?

bronxblue

September 23rd, 2019 at 12:00 PM ^

It sounds like he's hurt, probably due in part to the game against Army and also just lingering issues from his earlier injury over the summer.  But he was out there for large swaths of the game and did well in run blocking.  Maybe he's somewhat limited in practice but had this game been a bit more competitive my guess is he would have gotten more carries.

Brhino

September 23rd, 2019 at 10:31 AM ^

Ugh I was literally in the process of saying "Let's give Dylan the start against Rutgers, if this season is going to be a letdown at least let's give the QB of the future some reps" and then BAM concussed.  

StirredNotShaken

September 23rd, 2019 at 11:57 AM ^

Magnus made this comment on TTB in his game write up and it struck a chord with me on DM: The dude runs the ball like a mad man and does not even attempt to protect himself. Magnus referred to him as an "immature" ball player (not in the emotional sense, in the football sense), using his running style as an example. I have to agree with this take. Somebody needs to coach DM on protecting himself when he keeps the ball if he hopes to stay healthy enough to be a viable QB over the long run. I love the kid's competitiveness but it was brutal to see him take those shots. At this point, I hope he takes several weeks off of football completely to let his brain heal.

The Fugitive

September 23rd, 2019 at 10:33 AM ^

How many times is he going to be outcoached before he does anything about it? 

They had a bye week and that's what they have to show for it.  Improvement week my ass, this is pathetic. 

Booted Blue in PA

September 23rd, 2019 at 10:48 AM ^

watching SNF, "making Mayfield hold the ball for more than 2.5 seconds doesn't work when your line can't hold their blocks"

wow..... why is this difficult for a play caller to see?   Wasn't that a lot of the same problem in our passing game Saturday?     

When your Oline can't hold back a fart, why keep making your QB stand in the pocket and get crushed?   short, quick routes, maybe a few screen passes, a bubble screen or two..... FFS.... it seems like the natural adjustment.

DMill2782

September 23rd, 2019 at 10:53 AM ^

There's only one other problem....Shea finding someone open on those short, quick routes. He can't read a defense quickly enough to do that. Even when the o-line gives him all day, he can't find anyone open. 

Doesn't even matter if Nico is wide open and no one is within 30 yards of him because his man fell down. Shea can't see it.

East German Judge

September 23rd, 2019 at 10:54 AM ^

Pure coach speak.....

How do you explain that? Both teams were off last week. Having the extra time to prepare, why didn’t Michigan look as prepared?

“Um, yeah, we were outplayed…outprepared and outcoached. The whole thing. I mean…both offensively and defensively, that was thorough. We knew it about their team. They’ve got the ability. They’re good enough and if they play good enough they’re good enough to beat you thoroughly, and that’s what happened today.”

MGoGoGo

September 23rd, 2019 at 3:29 PM ^

I see this a little differently. I don't think he's being evasive. He acknowledges that they got outplayed, outcoached and outprepared.  I just think that sitting there 24 hours after getting his ass kicked, Harbaugh doesn't know how they could have coached and prepared better in the 2 prep weeks. If he did, presumably, he would have done something differently.  Now, it's his job to figure out what they should have done better and fix it, but I just think he doesn't have the answers at this point--as discouraging as that may be. 

Bambi

September 23rd, 2019 at 11:12 AM ^

Nothing of consequence was said here. Nothing in this presser makes me think our staff understands what's wrong. Clearly they can tell we sucked ass on both sides of the ball, but I don't think they know how to fix it. Especially on offense.

That's my big concern. Harbaugh/Gattis had 2 weeks to improve the game plan and came up with this. This is what they expected to work. And then when we're down 21-0 in the first half we see Harbaugh just looking defeated and confused. It seems like he's out of ideas. Hiring Gattis and doing whatever the past 2 weeks have been was his last ditch effort to save the offense. And it's nowhere close to enough and he doesn't even begin to know where to start to fix it.

Our coaches are like an 8th grader taking a Calc test. They know their answers are wrong, and they're guessing wildly as a last ditch effort. But they don't even know enough to try and even start to identify what exactly is wrong, and how to fix it. And we'll probably keep this guy around indefinitely. 

Reggie Dunlop

September 23rd, 2019 at 11:31 AM ^

Nothing of consequence was said here.

Agree.

Nothing in this presser makes me think our staff understands what's wrong.

Totally disagree. Harbaugh is just pissed and fulfilling his press conference obligation. Gattis is going through first-time coordinator growing pains. Harbaugh knows it. He's probably trying to help while allowing Josh the same freedom he allowed all of his other coordinators. Gattis has seen some form of his offense installed from scratch at PSU and Alabama. He's mimicking that process unsuccessfully. Harbaugh probably regrets going this route with someone so green, but we're knee deep in it. It's too late to turn back. We're pot committed. This is what we're doing for 2019 at the very least. It's going to take time and effort and repetition to improve and nothing else is going to solve it - certainly not whining about it to the media, which is apparently what you want.

Bambi

September 23rd, 2019 at 11:50 AM ^

Gattis is going through first-time coordinator growing pains. Harbaugh knows it. He's probably trying to help while allowing Josh the same freedom he allowed all of his other coordinators.

 

The point of hiring Gattis and "speed in space" was to remove Harbaugh from the equation. His previous offenses/coordinators at Michigan have been what's held this team back while we've had elite defenses. All offseason we heard how this was Gattis's offense and that Harbaugh isn't involved. So if you're right, either the coaches lied all offseason or it took less than 2 games for Harbaugh to snatch back the offense from Gattis. In either case, the one coach who has been around for all of our offensive failings (Harbaugh) is back in the saddle making decisions. Based on how the past 4 seasons and past 2 games have gone, I wonder how it's going to go this time? And how it will go every year moving forward when the same shit happens?

Harbaugh probably regrets going this route with someone so green, but we're knee deep in it. It's too late to turn back. We're pot committed.

 

If we're operating under the assumption that everything you said is right, which I don't think is true, why are you phrasing this so nonchalantly? It was Harbaugh's decision to hire someone "so green", no one forced him to do that. So you say he regrets it, I say he fucked up another offensive coordinator hire. Why does he get the BOTD for that? Especially if, as you're saying, it's too late to turn back. So now he fucked up and we're stuck with it. Great job Harbaugh. 

Also we spent all offseason hearing how Gattis's lack of playcalling experience was a non issue and that our team should be the preseason B1G favorites (from Harbaugh's mouth). But now that he's clearly wrong we should give him a pass? He told us to expect greatness, and we're about as far from that as you can get. He doesn't get to use the green excuse. The point of this hire was to succeed now, if he hired the wrong guy to do it because he's too green, that's on Harbaugh for hiring a guy who's too green and fucking up again.

It's going to take time and effort and repetition to improve and nothing else is going to solve it - certainly not whining about it to the media, which is apparently what you want.

 

So your solution is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting better results. The insanity definition is waving hi. And no I don't want him whining to the media, I want an explanation as to what the game plan was, why it didn't work, and what the steps are to fix it. Not "we got out coached and out played."

Clearly we're never going to get that, but why does he get the BOTD that he is actually able to explain any of that. It's year 5 and our offense, his side of the ball, is once again unacceptable (for the 5th year in a row it's what's holding the team back). He's given us coach speak for 5 years and we've assumed it's just that and he actually knows how to fix the problem. At this point the data points to "he doesn't know shit", so I'm done pretending otherwise.

Reggie Dunlop

September 23rd, 2019 at 11:59 AM ^

Your whole post is laden with assumption that I'm giving him a pass. I'm not. I never said it's not his fault. I never said it's not a problem. I'm not giving him a "BOTD" (way to save keystrokes in a 5,000 word post) and never said he shouldn't be held accountable. 

I'm arguing your idiotic assumption that the guy who has spent 100% of his life learning every aspect of offensive football doesn't understand what's not working. 

Congrats on being the billionth simpleton to think that insanity definition is clever. And also for being a complete hypocrite in the next sentence for expecting a football coach to air out his losing gameplan in the fucking postgame press conference.

It's year one (1) of this offense. It's a complete rebuild. Read some football guys who know what they're looking at. They scrapped everything from last year and this is all brand new Gattis stuff. Year 1, math guy. Not 5. If this was Drevno/Fisch as the RGC/PGC, this would be year five. And yes, the way you get better at executing football is to repeat football (source: every fucking coach to ever step on the field). You're venting and you sound like an idiot. Pretend whatever you want.

Bambi

September 23rd, 2019 at 12:27 PM ^

The idea that this is a complete rebuild is complete revisionist history and a joke. Harbaugh said all offseason that this offense/team is capable of winning the B1G and should be conference favorites. We had multiple publications (this site, Football Outsiders, whoever) telling us how this team was built to run a Gattis RPO offense and how this wouldn't require a full rebuild. That it should be able to work day one. That was the expectation for this team, from both inside and outside the program. Period.

A rebuild was never the plan. And even in the fantasy world where it was, that's the dumbest possible thing ever. We have a senior QB, 3 senior OL along with another expected to enter the draft next year, and 3 junior WR who are all NFL talents expected to be gone after this year. This was the year we should be breaking through. Especially since the schedule gave us OSU at home with a first year HC. So if the plan was a rebuild, and the coaches decided to scrap everything from last year (despite the fact that not everything needed to be scrapped), then they are absolute morons. Especially if they decided to pump us up as world beaters all offseason knowing this was the plan (which once again, it wasn't).

You seem angry. I'm sorry you are. Maybe it's because you want to defend a staff that has displayed nothing but utter incompetence this year. But instead you want to hurl insults at me for "venting" (what do you call your post?) on a college football message board (the horror!). Maybe instead of being mad at me, be mad at the coaches who are putting this product on the field.

Reggie Dunlop

September 23rd, 2019 at 5:05 PM ^

Yeah, I'm angry. I came back to read your reply, take the medicine for blowing my top and try to round off the rough edges here. 

I'm not going to insult you, but Bambi, you're not reading what I'm writing. I'm not defending any of this. I am mad at the coaches for putting this on the field. I also know that there's no way in hell you could do any better. You don't have the first clue what's not translating from practice field to game day and neither do I. To call any of the staff "morons" is idiotic. And for you to think that Jim Harbaugh is just blankly staring at the field with no understanding of what is happening is insulting. To everyone. And you're the 4,000th person to post such nonsense in the last 48 hours. 

They absolutely know what's wrong. It's fucked. What they are intending to do is not happening on the field. The players are struggling. Everything's going sideways, and it's too late. It doesn't matter what the tooth fairy promised you in offseason media sessions. It doesn't matter if you don't feel they needed to change as drastically as they decided to. It doesn't matter about what you feel should happen by some arbitrary point in time like #Year5. None of that matters. We need to win games. This is what we've got. We're way behind schedule. They've done a piss poor job of getting it up to speed. There is nowhere to go. Backward to whatever you thought they should've done (complete undefined) is not an option. There's no way out but to plow forward.

After 12 games if they're still out there lateraling to linemen, yeah, fire everything, fold the program and raze the stadium. I can't imagine they'll get anywhere near a season result that will make us happy based on where we're at. But we're not there yet. You've got an entire staff of football lifers in a room right now working 24/7 trying to figure it out while you call them morons. Maybe you're not stupid, but you're saying things a stupid person would say.

ijohnb

September 23rd, 2019 at 12:52 PM ^

Reggie, I recall that you thought we were going to win big over Wisconsin.  Did you think that because you thought that the offense would be further along under Gattis, or that Harbaugh was still calling the majority of the plays anyway and Gattis would kind of be slow-played into the scheming?  I am asking because I was not under the impression until this week that it was supposed to be a complete rebuild and I don't think you were either.  That was not what we were lead to believe. 

Reggie Dunlop

September 23rd, 2019 at 5:07 PM ^

I think we're going to win big over everybody, every time. That's pure optimism because sitting in a pile of my own shit doesn't sound fun.

I thought we'd be further along. I think everything Bambi thinks except for the part about career football coaches don't understand football.

Reggie Dunlop

September 23rd, 2019 at 5:12 PM ^

Well, according to people who know football and understand the actual concepts we ran last year vs. this year, it's not. No offense (get it?), but that's what drives me crazy. Hundreds of voices here and everywhere else complaining that it's the exact same offense when they don't know the very basics of football necessary to make that determination. And calling the coaches who do, morons.

I can direct you to sources if you're interested. 

Amaizing Blue

September 23rd, 2019 at 11:23 AM ^

So I read that mishmash of words and sentence fragments that didn't give us any specifics on problems or solutions.  And it sounded awfully familiar.  Here's Brady Hoke's presser from after the MSU game in 2013, which was an equally brutal 29-6 loss.  (Credit to MGoBlog for the transcript).  If you take the names out (Dylan, Devin, etc.) they are almost the same.  Either guy could have given either presser...which is horrifying.

Your rushing offense –

“A lot of negative yardage plays. I thought there were some pretty good runs once in a while in there, but you snap the ball for a 20 yard loss, you get sacked I don’t know how many times, so your yardage part of it isn’t very good. You put yourself behind the 8-ball a little bit not executing, and then you’re forced into doing some things you don’t want to do the whole time.”

What does the offensive line need to do to protect Devin better and avoid sacks?

“It’s not just the line. There’s backs involved, there’s routes involved, there’s timing, all those issues are part of it. We have to get better.”

Did all the shuffling on the offensive line have something to do with it?

“Nope.”

What’s Devin’s status? He sat out the last series.

“Yeah, he got pounded a little bit. He was a warrior out there that last drive before the interception at the end. He did a nice job getting us down the field, had taken a lot of shots early in the game. He just was a little bit worn out.”

Does he have an injury?

“No. I wouldn’t say he has an injury. I would say beat up. If that’s an injury, then that’s an injury.”

In the history of this game, the team that rushes for more yards wins. How critical was the rushing game today?

“Well it’s always critical.”

Why do you think there were so many negative yardage plays?

“We didn’t execute as well as they did.”

That’s it?

“Pretty much.”

Taylor Lewan’s personal foul?

“I didn’t see that. I think that’s his frustration more than anything.”

You had a couple trips to the red zone in the first half. Did you think about taking a shot in the end zone at all?

“I think if we wanted to take a shot, we would have.”

There’s a lot of talk before the game about the toughness gap between the two teams.

“By … you guys?”

Yeah.

“From two years ago.”

Right. Did it disappoint you that the gap seems to have widened?

“I don’t think so. I think our kids played hard. I don’t think we executed very well. There’s eight to six plays in a game like this that make a difference. And if you go back and watch it again, you’ll see there’s eight to six plays that made a difference in the game from a standpoint of momentum, standpoint of confidence, and what you want to do. That’s part of it.”

How big was it to give up that touchdown before the half?

“That was a disappointing drive there at the end of the half. It drives you crazy. You give up points right at the end of the half, and it’s disappointing.”

How do you not allow a game like this to beat you next week?

“Well hopefully you do a great job as a group of leaders. Talk about coaches, senior captains, all those guys. Understanding where we are and what we need to do. I know they signed up for a guaranteed 12 games.”

With so much emphasis on a Big Ten title, what does this team have to play for?

“Still. It’s not in our hands. But you never know unless you’re forecasting for us now. Who knows?”

Does it surprise you that there was a lack of execution with the two weeks off?

“No. I think there’s more made out of that than anything else. Does it surprise me? Yeah. It surprises me. It has nothing to do with two weeks.”

Did you think you’d be further along?

“Well I was hoping.”

Is it coaching that you have to go back and look at?

“You always do.”

MGoQuestion: Going along with that, were you satisfied with the preparation and game plan?

“Yes. We wouldn’t have run the plays we ran unless we were satisfied.”

MGoFollowup: But considering the result …

“Hindsight’s always 20/20, right?”

What did you make of Michigan State’s defensive line and Shillique Calhoun?

“I think he’s a good football player. We’ve had a lot of respect for their defense all week going into this game, and I grabbed Max Bullough afterwards because he’s one of the guys I like watching play football. We have a lot of respect for them.”

Do you think the identity of this team is that it needs to get better in the trenches?

“That’s part of it. We haven’t played the way we like to every game.”

When Devin did have time, how did you think he played?

“I don’t know. Pretty good. But it would be nice to give him more time.”

What do you tell your fan base and alumni about dropping five of the last six games to Michigan State?

“Well, they’ve won five of the last six. Something like that. Well, we gotta keep working.”

Five of six is pretty significant. Do you think there’s that big of a gap?

“I don’t think there is a gap. I think they played awfully well, executed awfully well. I don’t think we did.”

  

1408

September 23rd, 2019 at 11:41 AM ^

I always LOL a bit when people get upset about press conf answers. Like he owes the press (or us, for that matter) anything definitive and specific. The whole thing is contrived and ridiculous. 

Either support him or don’t but don’t pin that assessment on some ridiculous presser he is required to do. 

I, for one, give him the benefit of the doubt and think he will prove the haters wrong with the remainder of the year. 

MGlobules

September 23rd, 2019 at 12:01 PM ^

Strongly disagree. And I am a fan of Jim, age mate, etc., praying that he can right the ship. Could be it's because I'm an alumnus, Michigander, but he's an EMPLOYEE of the university, making crazy money--the fan base and other people connected to the school deserve honest answers.

Of course, that has to start with the press. No one pressing him about who's really calling the plays is lame.

ERdocLSA2004

September 23rd, 2019 at 12:52 PM ^

I “LOL” when people give him a pass on his shitty press conferences.  The fans want to know what he thinks.  Yes he’s required to do them and he gets paid a shit ton of money to do so.  A lot of people have jobs that require them to do shitty tasks but that doesn’t mean you can put zero effort into it.  What other exposures do we have to our coach other than press conferences?  It is literally his one duty to the fans of the game and his lack of effort shows exactly how he feels about the fans.  We don’t need much, show us that you might actually care about losing, tell us what you’re going to do (in general) to get better.  Convince us that everyone is going to be held accountable.  Nope, nothing.

You Only Live Twice

September 23rd, 2019 at 11:29 AM ^

The team did make some adjustments in the fourth quarter.  It was too little too late, but I am hoping like hell it means something better for the rest of the season.

StirredNotShaken

September 23rd, 2019 at 12:05 PM ^

Let me play spoiler for you.... the fourth quarter "adjustments" are not a harbinger of things to come. Can't build your offense around chucking the ball up to blanketed WR on a regular basis. In fact, you could see Wisconsin adjust to it the last drive or two and it stopped working. There was nothing defensively in the fourth quarter that is promising either. By that point Wisconsin was just trying to end the game as quickly as possible, not trying to score more points. This game was a massive beatdown by a team that proved to be superior to Michigan in just about every facet of the game.  

Goblueman

September 23rd, 2019 at 11:44 AM ^

"Jim,your DT's are the worst I've seen in a long,long  time yet you didn't recruit any in this years class.Is that a concern?"  Follow up question: "Why did you leave both A gaps open on the goal line and why did you have J.Glasgow lined up between Wis.Guard & tackle on the line of scrimmage?"

ERdocLSA2004

September 23rd, 2019 at 1:01 PM ^

JH checks automated response memory banks....here ya go:

“Again, I think…I mean, their ability to block and tackle was really good today. And there were holes inside and we shut those holes off inside. He had the ability to bounce them to the outside and controlled the game with the running game—easy to see that—and make the big plays as well. It was impressive.”

That answer really works well for a lot of questions.

jg2112

September 23rd, 2019 at 12:00 PM ^

Something has happened to this guy. There are so many little issues (not being truthful about players, the kids transferring out, Michigan trying to "medical" players currently playing with other teams, no depth charts, hiring coaches based off 20 minute phone calls, admitting his players weren't prepared to play a "manball team" after 2 weeks to prepare) that pile up into the question - what is this guy doing?

BahamaMama

September 23rd, 2019 at 12:09 PM ^

These games after bye weeks are brutal. Certainly not looking forward to the next one. In fact, not even looking forward to Rutger this weekend. Apathy is starting to take it's toll, just like in the last year of Brady Hoke. Ugh. Never thought I would say that with Harbaugh.