15% of Clemson's Football Team Tests Positive for PED's
Mates,
Came across this headline this afternoon, sure to warm you up even more than great slow cooker recipes. I have ad blocker so reading the entire article is tough, but the gist of the article is as the headline states, 15% of the team tested positive for PED's.
Link to article here: https://www.postandcourier.com/columnists/clemson-s-drug-probe-doesn-t-include-testing-all-football/article_6615cdf8-219d-11e9-9663-cfd49594d1b2.html
No wonder Clemson is doing so well? #PED's are worth it?
Sad if true, but I guess its not surprising.
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January 28th, 2019 at 2:18 PM ^
Alot of guys on a lot of teams use this stuff. It’s all about who gets caught.
January 28th, 2019 at 2:37 PM ^
I would say that virtually every team is tiptoeing the line on PEDs. It is a just matter of who crosses the line and which schools have the best masking agents.
January 28th, 2019 at 4:06 PM ^
There is no line to tiptoe. A substance is banned or it’s not.
January 28th, 2019 at 4:39 PM ^
What about a new substance which has not yet been categorized because its effects are not comprehensively understood?
Like any good science, biochemistry is a dynamic science. Brand new chemicals are produced/synthesized weekly across the world.
January 28th, 2019 at 4:41 PM ^
So there’s clearly a line.
January 28th, 2019 at 4:43 PM ^
If this is true, Clemson will get destroyed in the public media. People would love to knock Dabo off of his perceived pedestal.
January 28th, 2019 at 4:43 PM ^
You live in a theoretical world where everything is black and white. This is not how it works in the real world, where things are much more fluid and nuanced...
Basically, folks across the sports spectrum are constantly trying to figure out ways around the existing rules. Some clearly cross the line like masking agents and other methods of cheating the actual test results.
Others are right at the line with new "ingredient mixes" that are not technically banned substances (at least not yet) despite having similar properties to currently banned substances. Think of an artist ripping off content from an old song. How much do you have to change it before it is considered new content? Your response would be that music is either plagiarized or not; and yet many highly technical court cases have been waged on this very topic.
Others find "advantages" by misusing legal substances such as asthma inhalers or even your own blood (blood doping).
January 28th, 2019 at 5:29 PM ^
This thread is about Clemson getting caught and the various sport drug testing programs all have a clear line in the sand. Programs can't tiptoe that line; you're either giving and/or encouraging a banned substance or you are not.
The ethics of the broader sports performance/substance world are obviously much murkier.
January 28th, 2019 at 6:44 PM ^
Yes, and when three guys test positive, you have to think the trainers are the source, especially when the school chooses not to test anyone else. And Lawrence’s claim he has “no idea” how the stuff got into his system is pretty laughable. It didn’t come from eating cheeseburgers.
January 28th, 2019 at 7:55 PM ^
"Only the dumb ones get caught", or so they say.
There's a few very famous athletes who show the characteristics of steroid use, but they've never been caught. Doesn't mean they're not using. Just they're very careful....
January 28th, 2019 at 2:19 PM ^
Tigers juicing up on some good catnip.
January 28th, 2019 at 2:21 PM ^
It's getting harder and harder to care about college football. When I was growing up, it seemed more exciting because the players were more driven by passion than money. But that's been waning and everyone plays by a different set of rules. So the system just rewards those who are most morally lax.
January 28th, 2019 at 2:23 PM ^
Unless you were growing up in like 1940 this is bullshit.
Teams cheated, paid players, and did everything else they are doing in the 60s 70s 80s and 90s too. Stop romanticizing the past.
January 28th, 2019 at 2:33 PM ^
The ultimate roid rager.
January 28th, 2019 at 3:02 PM ^
He was my idol and I wanted to BE him - MSU roots notwithstanding...
And then I found out WHY he was so good.
Destroyed my feelings about the guy.
January 28th, 2019 at 3:05 PM ^
4 of the 1st 5 picks that year made the Hall of Fame. How the Lions avoided Mandarich dropping to them at 3 is a Lions miracle because they would have picked him over Barry.
January 28th, 2019 at 3:27 PM ^
I'm guessing Dr. Z wasn't known for his ability to detect the symptoms of anabolic steroid use
January 28th, 2019 at 3:54 PM ^
Weird coincidence, his recruiter was good ole Nicky Saban.
January 28th, 2019 at 3:57 PM ^
Adam Messner, a terrific player and guy, had some interesting comments.
http://mvictors.com/interview-mark-messner-recalls-battles-with-mandarich/
January 28th, 2019 at 4:51 PM ^
Mark Messner. Great article. I remember when Messner was drafted by the LA Rams. They were going to turn him into a linebacker because he was too small to play on the line at 6'3" 225.
It's insane that we had a star D lineman who was 225-235 just 30 odd years ago. I guess he was an end, but still.
January 28th, 2019 at 5:43 PM ^
Adam Messner is a terrific guy and a fuck of an athlete, but that is not him in this article.
January 28th, 2019 at 9:07 PM ^
thank you for posting that. i had never read it. very good.
January 28th, 2019 at 4:23 PM ^
I remember back then people in awe at his size. Now, 6’6”, 315 might not even get you a scholarship or a 5th year.
January 28th, 2019 at 4:39 PM ^
The man taken 1 pick before Barry Sanders.....
January 28th, 2019 at 5:06 PM ^
I think the Sparty mascot uses the same steroids Mandarich was injecting in his butt back then
January 28th, 2019 at 11:22 PM ^
Also:
It's like, come on guys, at least try to hide it.
January 28th, 2019 at 2:42 PM ^
Maybe it's just that I was young and didn't catch on. It didn't seem as blatant then, though.
January 28th, 2019 at 2:45 PM ^
It was more blatant then (see SMU), there are just more eyes on them and more places to talk about them now.
January 28th, 2019 at 3:54 PM ^
Oh, it was more blatant then - I would say that PED use being so rampant is the reason the NFL was the first league for a major sport to legislate a comprehensive policy regarding their use (i.e., the punishments for their use).
January 28th, 2019 at 8:45 PM ^
Brian Bosworth ring any bells? He was the posterboy of 1980s anabolic steroid abuse.
January 28th, 2019 at 4:45 PM ^
While you're right that people were cheating before, things are still different.
Now the cheating is blatant and teams still get away with it. Many more of the players don't play for anyone but themselves now. Is it their right? Of course...but is it right? I mean...it definitely takes the charm away from the whole thing.
I too, have lost a lot of love for the sport. It's all about money now. Way too many fuckin ads and the games take SO LONG.
January 29th, 2019 at 1:07 PM ^
Everyone loves a whiner? College football owes you nothing. Just quit watching and following because I'd wager no one cares. And what is with the incessant conspiracy theories around here?
January 28th, 2019 at 3:56 PM ^
”“You are remembering it wrong.”
-Michael Scott”
-Mitch Again
January 28th, 2019 at 2:22 PM ^
Just like paying recruits and cheating in recruiting, if you don't think some Michigan players are taking PED's I've got some bad news for you. Its not about who is doing it, its about who gets caught.
January 28th, 2019 at 2:25 PM ^
If U of M is doping and paying players then they're not paying enough or using the right PEDs.
January 28th, 2019 at 2:25 PM ^
It happens but I’d say 20 percent of your roster testing positive randomly is a sign that it’s not one guy looking to increase individual performance but rather it’s being implemented systemically.
January 28th, 2019 at 2:29 PM ^
ak47 needs to read this post. Twice.
January 28th, 2019 at 2:40 PM ^
Its 100% systematic at every p5 school. You think guys are just putting on 15-20 pounds of muscle over spring and summer practices because they are eating healthy?
The NCAA doesn't test for PED's on a regular basis, its internal school testing and schools get to set their own policies in terms of punisment. Players hear about "random" tests weeks in advance and they never test in the summer when most of the guys are bulking and then they will go clean for a lot of the season. Shit tons of high schoolers are juicing. Its just part of the sport. Since everyone does it nobody is getting the benefit of it.
January 28th, 2019 at 2:46 PM ^
The most anabolic compound on the planet is food...you would be surprised what clean eating and guided weight regimen can do for an 18 year old who hasn’t lifted much.
January 28th, 2019 at 3:54 PM ^
Food is anabolic? LOL. And high school football players entering college haven't been lifting already for years?! LMAO.
January 28th, 2019 at 4:24 PM ^
My friend look up the definition of anabolic, also there is a big difference in lifting at your local YMCA or under the instruction of a high school coach who is a history teacher by day and an advanced program which is developed and overseen by a dedicated training profesional. I’m sure you can recognize the difference.
January 28th, 2019 at 4:41 PM ^
Yeah, I gotta agree with this. Both high schools I attended had shit weight rooms that 1/3 of the team spent 2-3 hours a week in, mostly bullshitting and seeing who could bench the most.
Some of the guys were juicing though...mostly orals; DBol.
Edit: These rooms were completely unsupervised and void of any kind of coach, let alone a legit S&C coach.
January 29th, 2019 at 11:26 AM ^
The school I teach at in Katy, TX has a dedicated strength and conditioning coach. That's amazing to me because my high school and the school where I taught and coached in AZ did not so my experience is totally different.
January 28th, 2019 at 6:24 PM ^
John U Bacon would support this wholeheartedly after working out under Barwis.
January 28th, 2019 at 3:00 PM ^
What is the source of your facts? This seems like a lot of conjecture to me.
January 28th, 2019 at 4:34 PM ^
Yep. AK makes an overarching and absolute argument - "every team is doing it" - with no facts to back up the claim.
January 28th, 2019 at 4:27 PM ^
You think guys are just putting on 15-20 pounds of muscle over spring and summer practices because they are eating healthy?
LOL yes. I put on 30 pounds of muscle in two months freshman year from working out and eating food. I've never even seen physical steroids in person in my life, let alone considered taking them.
Does it mean everybody is adding muscle organically? No. However, suggesting that putting on 15-20 pounds of muscle in a couple months is impossible without supplements shows a severe ignorance of modern strength training and athletic nutrition.
January 28th, 2019 at 5:06 PM ^
I can attest to this. I've put on 20 lbs of muscle over the last 3 months and that's without the help of a dietician or a state of the art training facility. Really its just eating clean and eating enough. The training is the easy part.