Silver Lining in these coaching changes/rumors
It’s crazy how much noise you here about guys coming and going. The coaching carousel is in full swing in college football, and don’t see it changing anytime soon. With that said, pro’s and cons to this happening.
The good is for UM and all other colleges during this process. 90% of recruits signed in the first signing period, so no recruits are leaving. Michigan will be fine however this shakes out. Other coaches out there who could do the job. Personally only a couple guys I would be upset losing, (Warinner/Partridge/Zorich). Rest are whatever. Would love to see Pep go, but think that’s what all UM fans want.
Lost in this entire thing is what’s best for the kids and players. Great for us as fans to not stress or be upset about what recruits we lose, but can you imagine being recruited by a guy and deciding on a school due to that position coach/coordinator and they bail before you play a down? That’s kind of crappy. I know you don’t commit to a coach, but if you’re torn between a few spots, the coach could be the difference.
Will be interesting to see in future. Do you think more high end recruits (4-5 Stars) will wait until second signing day (February) due to all the coaching chances across football? I know If I was a recruit I would like to see how things shake out before making my final decision. During the current format though, we wlll be ok. Most schools will be. It’s the player who pays the price.
Can you imagine the turmoil on this site right now with incoming recruits if it was still the old format??? Lol, oh boy.
January 7th, 2019 at 6:43 PM ^
Silver linings to me would be new blood. New up and comers, not the same guys who've made the rounds (pro and/or college). Don't need sone big splash name, I want to see young/middle aged guys who have been grinding and perfecting their defense/offense over the last "few" years. We'll see.
January 7th, 2019 at 7:15 PM ^
So, not Jim McElwain then. I agree with your silver linings. Would love to see some young, hungry up-and-comers make a name here.
January 7th, 2019 at 7:37 PM ^
I'm young, hungry, and available!
January 7th, 2019 at 8:04 PM ^
Vlad, you're 66. That's even older than I am. But you're sure as shit hungry. I'll concede that one.
January 7th, 2019 at 9:13 PM ^
Brimley, have you looked in a mirror lately? You're in your eighties, buddy.
January 7th, 2019 at 9:55 PM ^
Good point. I’ve been deluding myself into thinking I’m in my late 50s for some reason.
January 7th, 2019 at 11:20 PM ^
Well swimming with those Cocoons all the time has you feeling a lot younger than you look.
January 7th, 2019 at 9:42 PM ^
Hell' you're even a Holiday Inn Express!
January 9th, 2019 at 4:49 PM ^
If there’s anyone that can fend off the sharks circling Michigan that can smell blood, it’s definitely not Jim McElwain.
January 7th, 2019 at 7:30 PM ^
I would take Steve Strippling back. That 2006 line was sick. I still can't believe Rich Rod let all of those defensive coaches go.
January 7th, 2019 at 9:52 PM ^
So someone like Al Washington then?
January 7th, 2019 at 10:36 PM ^
Young guys grinding and perfecting their coaching? I'll name two. Ryan Day and Lincoln Riley. Day's most prominent college before O$U was Boston College. He spent two unsuccessful seasons following Chip Kelly around the NFL as QB coach and then became OC in Columbus for one season before he gets the big gig. 39 years old. Riley was at Eastern Carolina in 2014. Became OC at Oklahoma in 2015. Now he's talked about as NFL head coaching material.
Point here is that there are a lot of young, aggressive, innovative coaches toiling in the hinterlands. Get them. If they are good maybe you get three or four years before they move on to head coaching jobs. Then go out and get more of the same. Youth, energy, enthusiasm, ambition and innovation. Just a few gray beards for perspective otherwise go young.
January 8th, 2019 at 3:41 AM ^
I know, right? Just snap your fingers and get an excellent new guy.
That's why various programs like Texas, Texas A&M, USC, Miami, Florida State, Florida, Tennessee, etc., with a collective $1B/year in revenues on the line never had any bad years from picking what they thought would be an excellent new guy only to find that the choice didn't work out.
January 8th, 2019 at 8:42 AM ^
Nothing works 100%. Your fortunate if your hiring success rate is better than 50/50. But you weed out the losers quickly and move on. BTW...seems O$U, Alabama and Oklahoma manage to churn assistant coaches and have good people to plug in.
January 7th, 2019 at 6:43 PM ^
Positive: staff will have to change things because Mattison will reveal everything M does to Day.
January 7th, 2019 at 6:47 PM ^
Look I know he sees the offense in practice but it is not as though our defensive line coach is sitting in our offensive staff’s meeting room. I mean to quote Rich Rod, “there is only so much hours in the day.”
January 7th, 2019 at 6:48 PM ^
Haha! Right....just like we are always saving the playbook for the OSU game. What you see from our offense is no secret.
January 7th, 2019 at 6:48 PM ^
Change what? No pass rush and cover 0 on every play is top secret.
January 7th, 2019 at 6:51 PM ^
The game tape will show that. Like Day needs any help. His offense hung 60 plus on us.
Glad he is gone.
January 7th, 2019 at 6:56 PM ^
Did you not watch the game and see how many points OSU scored? I don't think they need Mattison to reveal anything.
January 7th, 2019 at 6:59 PM ^
Wouldn't think they would want him running their defense either. That was a hell of an audition.
Truth is fans way overreact to one game.
January 7th, 2019 at 7:20 PM ^
Florida makes it 2 games.
January 7th, 2019 at 7:42 PM ^
And Utah, and Iowa, and FSU, and ND, and sometimes MSU, and occasionally PSU, and occasionally Wisconsin, and always OSU...
God, I can't stand all of the losing! Be basketball, dammit!
January 8th, 2019 at 1:16 AM ^
Judging by the game in November, they don't need his input to know exactly what our defense does.
January 7th, 2019 at 6:44 PM ^
Quote:
"Can you imagine the turmoil on this site right now with incoming recruits if it was still the old format??? Lol, oh boy."
I was softly in favor of "early signing day" --- I've definitely changed my mind on that.
Coaching changes are inevitable every December. And it extends into January as well (it will always be a possibility that a college coach goes to the NFL). Players committing to coaches who may not be there a few weeks later - it's an unintended consequence, as it is, of "early signing day."
January 7th, 2019 at 6:47 PM ^
"I know you don’t commit to a coach..."
Not really true—most of the full-time recruiting guys like Webb would say that position coaches can be crucial in the recruiting of HS players, in some cases as important as who the HC is. If a particular position coach plays a key role in recruiting a player for his position group and then leaves, it can very frequently lead to a decommitment if the coach leaves before signing day.
January 7th, 2019 at 6:56 PM ^
No kidding. It amazes me how message board guy can only think like message board guy.
Players commit when they have a relationship with the coach or recruiter ALL THE TIME. I think it's fairly rare to get a commitment from someone with no affiliation with a school UNLESS it's because of the coach or recruiter.
January 7th, 2019 at 7:18 PM ^
I think the point is that you sign a NLI with the name of the school, not the coach on it. You should be committing to a place that you want to "play school" at and not just be infatuated with a particular coach or even group of coaches, since as we see, coaches come and go, and it seems the exception rather than the rule now that you will have the same coaches your entire career. Whether or not it plays out that way in the real world is a different story.
January 7th, 2019 at 7:33 PM ^
Exactly. What I would’ve liked to say if I explained it in that much detail.
January 7th, 2019 at 10:06 PM ^
The post was a tad incoherent but I think I get where you're coming from... so maybe I'm a tad incoherent too.
January 7th, 2019 at 8:03 PM ^
Didn't Karlaftis JUST do that?
January 7th, 2019 at 6:48 PM ^
the silver lining is that we will all die someday
January 7th, 2019 at 6:53 PM ^
The silver lining is that it's not bronze.
Wait... wut?
January 7th, 2019 at 7:04 PM ^
Eat at Arbys?
January 7th, 2019 at 7:45 PM ^
The silver lining is Horsey Sauce!
January 7th, 2019 at 7:52 PM ^
TRUTH!
January 7th, 2019 at 8:09 PM ^
Truestory:
In elementary school (the 70s), my mother would randomly stop as we were driving by & send me in to an Arby's to steal two of the big squeeze bottles of Horsey & Arby's Sauce they used to have at every table.
We were not poor.
January 7th, 2019 at 8:48 PM ^
grand theft horse radish. now there's a crime you don't hear about every day.
January 7th, 2019 at 8:43 PM ^
The silver lining is a Jamocha shake!
January 7th, 2019 at 9:29 PM ^
The silver lining there is I have a coupon for a free Jamocha shake (with purchase of any full-price sandwich)
January 7th, 2019 at 7:45 PM ^
Each day we die a little more.
January 7th, 2019 at 6:50 PM ^
coaching turnover is a good thing - Saban turns over coordinators almost every year - fresh ideas
ask MSU about the lack of coaching turnover *** cough Warner cough **
January 7th, 2019 at 6:51 PM ^
The coaches are all professionals.
If DM said he wants to be DC is DB leaves, and was told: Sorry, but no. I don't blame him for moving on, and I certainly don't blame him for taking the best job he can get.
Silver lining is that IF DB has said he is leaving, DM was told no, and we either promote from within or already have a bead on new blood for the program.
I don't see any of this as a slap in anyone's face. Business is business.
January 7th, 2019 at 6:56 PM ^
Who is DM
January 7th, 2019 at 6:57 PM ^
Dreg Mattison
January 8th, 2019 at 12:04 AM ^
Is “DB” Dave Brandon?
January 7th, 2019 at 6:58 PM ^
Who in the hell are you talking about?
January 7th, 2019 at 7:01 PM ^
"don't see any of this as a slap in anyone's face. Business is business."
As it should be for the players.
January 7th, 2019 at 9:06 PM ^
Completely agree. LOI's should always be subject to NO COACHING CHANGES, at a minimum.