December 12th, 2018 at 10:48 AM ^
Once again, I fail on the internet - It is McShay's draft 1.0
https://www.facebook.com/ESPN/photos/a.114588455254586/2428440613869347/?type=3&theater
December 12th, 2018 at 10:57 AM ^
It's also McShay's mock rather than Kiper's.
December 12th, 2018 at 12:08 PM ^
Why didn't you just post the actual link in the OP?
December 12th, 2018 at 10:51 AM ^
Five D linemen to start the draft. For as many years as he has done this, he is underestimating teams willingness to reach for QBs that have no business being drafted that high.
December 12th, 2018 at 10:55 AM ^
I think most would agree that 6 of the top 10 are in need of qb's but some will pass because of slot and perceived value (Cardinals & Raiders) and others will pass because they are coached by a sentient camo hat (Bills)
December 12th, 2018 at 11:06 AM ^
None of the 1st five need a QB.
December 12th, 2018 at 11:42 AM ^
The Raiders do
December 12th, 2018 at 11:46 AM ^
The team that just signed Derrick Carr to $125 million contract? Yeah, draft a QB.
December 12th, 2018 at 1:57 PM ^
the raiders have at out the end of next season and all reports are that he's lost the locker room. Now would be the exact time to draft qb of the future. Also its the nfl contract values mean next to nothing
December 12th, 2018 at 3:24 PM ^
I don't know what the Raiders will do, but Carr is the QB of the future. Good talent, young, new contract. Teams regularly spend a decade of draft picks looking for a franchise QB; you don't just let one go when in rebuild mode.
December 12th, 2018 at 3:36 PM ^
they gave away two of their best players for nothing this year. It seems like their talent evaluation is bad. Cooper saw a 10 fold improvement the second he left. I'm not saying its the right decision but it still might be the one they make
December 12th, 2018 at 11:17 AM ^
I'm convinced Kiper is simply an inside joke ESPN tries to push on the general public. Last year he was all about the greatness that was Josh Allen and that my Browns NEEDED to take him #1. Josh Allen who, as of today, is dead last in QBR, leads the league in INTs and cant hit the ocean from the beach. Now....he's turned into a nice running back so he's able to help the Bills but the dude flat out SUCKS as a QB.
Who he didnt want us to take was Baker Mayfield but thank God our GM is John Dorsey and not Kiper. I think he just does this to see who he can sucker into believing him to be honest.
December 12th, 2018 at 11:24 AM ^
To be fair Josh Allen was a sales job from the beginning. The Bills are terrible at evaluating talent from the top on down, but holy mother of God are they historically fucking terrible at QB evaluation.
December 12th, 2018 at 11:51 AM ^
QB scouting is beyond weird and head scratching. Teams and scouts and espn personality types seem to fall in love with "prototypical size" and arm strength. The three areas that seem most important to me are accuracy, how a QB reads a defense to get through their progressions, and how they are against pressure/blitzes.
I'm probably setting myself up here but when was the last time a big, strong armed but inaccurate QB in college panned out as a franchise guy in the NFL?
December 12th, 2018 at 12:05 PM ^
I actually wonder if this is part of the problem with some teams - they don't get terribly technical with QB evaluation. I mean, I've never worked for an NFL franchise, so I could be off base here, but it seems like this is a position more than others where some teams latch onto all the wrong things about a quarterback and what makes them a good fit. Of course, some players simply aren't, well, good and it may not matter in such cases.
December 12th, 2018 at 8:21 PM ^
Aaron Rodgers was an under 50% passer his final year at Cal, but certainly an anomaly
December 12th, 2018 at 12:30 PM ^
Not sure I would say Josh Allen sucks as a qb. He hasn’t started that many games yet. Give him a little time he will be very good. Many teams wanted him in the NFL don’t think they were all wrong in their evaluations. Cleveland doesn’t exactly have a great history of picking qbs either
December 12th, 2018 at 12:50 PM ^
"Cleveland doesn’t exactly have a great history of picking qbs either"
No they most certainly dont. Which is why I think there was a bet inside ESPN to see if they could hype Allen up enough to get us to pick him.
Right now the only QB in the NFL...and .i mean the entire NFL I would trade Baker for is Mahomes. And ESPN had him as QB#3 or 4 last year behind Allen, Darnold & Rosen. What a joke that is.
December 12th, 2018 at 1:49 PM ^
Kiper has always been a mrssurables guy, and Allen had the most impressive physique coming out.
Kiper was all over Ryan Leaf too.
December 12th, 2018 at 10:51 AM ^
It's all about the combine. So what if he didn't have the stats this past year? Neither did Ziggy Ansah or Jadaveon Clowney the years before they both went top-5.
December 12th, 2018 at 10:55 AM ^
It will definitely be about the combine for Rashan. I've seen other mock drafts where he isn't even in the 1st round.
December 12th, 2018 at 11:58 AM ^
Barring injury or other unforeseen circumstance, Rashan is a top-10 lock and probably a top-5. The same freakish athleticism/size/ability combo that made him a unanimous #1 recruit 3 years ago makes NFL scouts drool.
Chances are he won't participate in much physical testing (if any) at the combine.
December 12th, 2018 at 12:49 PM ^
Yeah, I think this board has--with its inordinate expectations for any incoming talent wearing blue--has underestimated Gary mightily.
December 12th, 2018 at 3:08 PM ^
Any team that picks Gary that high will end up disappointed. He’ll have a great combine, but great football players make great football plays. What Gary actually did on the field never matched his measureables.
December 12th, 2018 at 11:24 AM ^
Ansah and Clowney had incredible college production
December 12th, 2018 at 11:43 AM ^
I would hardly call Ansah's college production incredible. He had nothing to speak of until his senior year, and his stats that year are very similar to Gary's sophomore year.
December 12th, 2018 at 11:27 AM ^
Yeah, but Clowney had the stats (13 sacks) as a sophomore, so you knew he was capable of elite production. Gary had 5.5 in his best year, when he had Winovich on the other side and Mo Hurst rushing up the middle.
December 12th, 2018 at 11:53 AM ^
And? Gary's job as the anchor was to set the edge first and rush the passer second. It's amazing UM fans can't comprehend this. He was not a rush end in the UM system. If he played Winovich's position he would have double digit sacks.
December 12th, 2018 at 12:03 PM ^
Wow, thank you for telling me what his position is and that he wasn't a rush end. I'm so glad someone around here can comprehend, ya know, this.
If 5.5 sacks (maximum) is the expectation for the Anchor position, then I expect Gary to get drafted right around pick #74 in the 3rd round, which is exactly where Chris Wormley was drafted after producing 5.5 sacks playing the Anchor position in 2016.
December 12th, 2018 at 12:06 PM ^
To Gary's credit he was the guy on that line teams doubled most on passing downs and his pressure numbers have always been much more flattering than his sacks.
Prior to re-aggravating his shoulder this year Gary was a top-10 edge guy when it came to pressures on a per-snap basis.
He's not the pass rusher Clowney is but he's still already pretty good there in addition to being a monster run defender.
December 12th, 2018 at 12:28 PM ^
1) Ansah and Clowney were both edge rushers. Gary is not.
2)
Clowney: 47 TFL, 24 sacks, 9 FF in 36 games
Gary: 23 TFL, 9.5 sacks, 1 FF in 34 games
3) I suspect at the combine Gary will test heavier and stronger, but less quick and explosive than Ansah and Clowney.
4) Ansah was over drafted.
December 12th, 2018 at 4:16 PM ^
Those Clowney numbers!! Can you imagine if a 5* player did that at Michigan? What a dream
December 12th, 2018 at 10:53 AM ^
Make all the money you can sir
December 12th, 2018 at 12:10 PM ^
I love the hand shake. It's such a subtle celebration...like, "no big deal, just doing what we always do."
December 12th, 2018 at 10:54 AM ^
Mel is getting old and senile.
Gary is a top 15 pick. No way does he go #2.
December 12th, 2018 at 11:13 AM ^
The dude is going to put on an absolute show at the combine. Also, he may not have the sack numbers that we craved but his overall impact, while never fully healthy, is a big reason why Chase could go one on one on the other side. He is versatile and can play on the outside or inside in a 4-3. Michigan should have used him on the inside this year to mitigate our growing pains and lack of depth at that position.
December 12th, 2018 at 11:28 AM ^
" while never fully healthy"
Would concern me as an NFL GM.
December 12th, 2018 at 11:33 AM ^
"never fully healthy" refers to a shoulder issue that he continued to play through, and dominate. This isn't a Tarik Black situation.
December 12th, 2018 at 11:42 AM ^
By what definition did Gary dominate?
December 12th, 2018 at 7:37 PM ^
High school yo
December 13th, 2018 at 2:09 PM ^
Yeah, dominated was definitely an extreme overexaggeration. My bad
December 12th, 2018 at 11:32 AM ^
100% THIS. Once Kwity acquitted himself well on the edge, it should have been a no brainer to rotate Dwumfour and Solomon as they could and keep Rashan on the inside. He would have destroyed at 3T.
December 12th, 2018 at 11:58 AM ^
He played in what, 6 or 7 games? Rashan was a good player, but never a dominate player, and it may have been because of health, but when he wasn't double teamed (against OSU) he didn't get to the QB. He could help his draft stock with a good combine, but I don't believe all the hype about 30 reps of 225lbs, and the 4.4 forty stuff. He is a very good athlete but he won't put up Myles Garret Clowney or JJ Watt numbers.
December 12th, 2018 at 12:31 PM ^
Bingo.
He'll measure great... but he has an injury history (2 of 3 seasons with a shoulder injury), he isn't an edge rusher in the NFL, and his stats don't show an elite pass rusher.
He's a 10-20 range pick.
December 12th, 2018 at 10:54 AM ^
Kiper is always sitting there looking like a fool tool for what is now three days of the draft.
December 12th, 2018 at 10:55 AM ^
It literally says Todd McShay at the top of the graphic. It's not Kiper.
December 12th, 2018 at 10:57 AM ^
well to be fair, reading.
December 12th, 2018 at 10:57 AM ^
Talking heads, talking bs
December 12th, 2018 at 10:58 AM ^
I really like Rashan, both as a player and for the way that he conducted himself.
That said, I do not see how any team would draft him #2 overall. Yes, he is going to absolutely kill it at the combine. And he is a physical specimen. But, over his entire college career, his production simply hasn't been close to that of a top 5 pick.
December 12th, 2018 at 11:08 AM ^
Will he really kill it? I for one don't believe Rashan Gary will run a sub 4.6 forty, and I don't think he will be the best on the bench press either, so he will do well, but I don't think he is gonna put up record numbers.