John Engler takes advantage of another opportunity to give MSU/Nassar victims the double bird
December 5th, 2018 at 5:48 PM ^
in unrelated news, it has been reported that engler bought himself a $10 million dollar gift certificate to wendy's.
December 5th, 2018 at 5:51 PM ^
Are they still offering any size FF for $1.00? He’s going to make out like a bandit.
December 5th, 2018 at 7:01 PM ^
actually in East Lansing, whenever MSU scores a touchdown they get a free small fries from Wendy's. Pretty safe bet for the franchisees this year .
December 5th, 2018 at 8:54 PM ^
engler-size french fries. wendy's delivers...
December 6th, 2018 at 10:31 PM ^
So that's what heaven looks like..
December 5th, 2018 at 5:54 PM ^
Every time I think he has hit rock bottom, he proves otherwise. There is a special place in hell for people like him.
December 5th, 2018 at 6:03 PM ^
....next to urban meyer of course.
December 5th, 2018 at 5:56 PM ^
This is absolutely ludicrous. $8.5MM is peanuts to a major university. This man has zero foresight and is completely tone deaf.
December 5th, 2018 at 5:59 PM ^
An alternate explanation is that he’s doing exactly what the scumbag Spartys want him to do.
December 5th, 2018 at 6:26 PM ^
They certainly didn’t have any problem putting together that sweetheart deal for poor old Lou Anna Simon upon her ouster.
December 5th, 2018 at 7:28 PM ^
You mean “Jail Bait”!
December 5th, 2018 at 7:31 PM ^
....to a MAJOR university, they are not one!
December 5th, 2018 at 6:06 PM ^
This article is worth a read on the same issue.
December 5th, 2018 at 6:19 PM ^
Not a red cent for administration of that fund---nor ANY public monies---have been legitimately earned by that scumbag Engler.
Is there any mechanism in place to throw the bum out on his fat ass?
December 5th, 2018 at 8:02 PM ^
Was this move advised by experts on sexual abuse and trauma?
No. According to a report Tuesday from the State News, the MSU Relationship Violence and Sexual Misconduct (RVSM) Expert Advisory Workgroup, created by Engler in February and tasked with helping improve student safety, was asked by school officials about potentially setting an end date for the fund in an email, and the group strongly suggested the school keep it open.
"If sexual assault survivors have entered into treatment based on the understanding that there were dedicated funds available to cover the cost of therapy, and then learn that they are no longer eligible for those funds, they are likely to feel that such changes are a gross violation of trust," the group said in an email provided by chairwoman and psychology professor Rebecca Campbell to the State News. "This betrayal will likely cause significant distress that will compound trauma symptoms they are already experiencing."
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Sure, let's create a group to advocate for the people whose lives we destroyed, then just totally ignore that group. Fuck these guys so hard.
December 5th, 2018 at 6:13 PM ^
How the fuck is this asshole still in charge over there? He needs to be in prison with the entire athletic department leadership.
December 6th, 2018 at 1:56 PM ^
You are either an imbecile with enough gull lability to buy into bspn narrative or just an angry simpleton with a total lack of understanding
December 5th, 2018 at 6:25 PM ^
I don't remember Bones saying that, but then again, it's Star Trek V, so I mean, my memory is hazy.
December 5th, 2018 at 9:42 PM ^
the footage is from the opening sequence. don't know who made the gif but the text is nothing like the actual monologue that bones is mumbling to himself.
December 6th, 2018 at 7:23 AM ^
Maybe you guys don't know how memes work...
December 5th, 2018 at 6:18 PM ^
I would hate this Engler administration even more if I was an MSU alum.
December 5th, 2018 at 6:34 PM ^
It's weird how now that he's out of politics, he is universally accepted as a horseshit scumbag but he's actually been like this the entire time he's been in the public eye.
December 5th, 2018 at 7:00 PM ^
He looks like what would happen if the Big Boy statue got old and let himself go
December 5th, 2018 at 6:58 PM ^
MSU's Relationship Violence and Sexual Misconduct Expert Advisory Workgroup strongly advised keeping the fund open, so of course Engler ignores them and closes it.
December 5th, 2018 at 8:58 PM ^
I have a family member who works in that group. She bleeds green and always goes the line between advocating for survivors, and dealing with her employer. But man, when the Engler news hit the other day, she was livid.
December 5th, 2018 at 7:00 PM ^
MSU has plenty to make fun of, but let's not act like they should just give everybody a permanent blank check because of this stuff.
Frankly, these girls are all washed up gymnasts and most probably had no direction in life and all of a sudden are now receiving a $3M windfall and never have to work again for the rest of their lives.
I'll tell you this..... I would be totally ok with a creepy old lady touching my genitals for a couple years if it ended up coming with a $3M windfall.......
December 5th, 2018 at 7:02 PM ^
This should be a popular opinion...
December 5th, 2018 at 7:08 PM ^
If someone took a poll, I bet you'd get at least 80% "Yes" on this board to that proposed scenario.......
http://www.easypolls.net/poll.html?p=5c0880e9e4b0939f3b71c925
December 5th, 2018 at 7:18 PM ^
Your asinine hypothetical poll doesn't much mention whether it's your 20, 30, 40 year old self getting your rocks off via an "old lady" or 8, 9, 10, 14, 15, 16 year old self being penetrated, amongst other screwed up actions, by an adult you're supposed to trust who really wasn't all that old. Holy hell why did I respond.
December 5th, 2018 at 7:29 PM ^
http://www.easypolls.net/poll.html?p=5c0880e9e4b0939f3b71c925
Here is how I would frame the question......
"You would have your penis touched from the age of 16-18 against your will by an unattractive 55 year old lady who you trust. At the age of 25, you would receive $3M and never have to work again for the rest of life. You can travel and socialize and live carefree for the remainder of existence without ever worrying about money.
Would you trade your current situation for the above scenario? Yes or No?"
I guarantee 80%+ of respondents here would say "Yes" in a completely anonymous survey. I definitely would.
December 5th, 2018 at 7:35 PM ^
I realize that $3M seems like a lot of money to someone like you, but it isn’t. It’s not nearly enough to “never work again” at 25.
December 5th, 2018 at 7:45 PM ^
That simply isn't the slightest bit true. I am looking at a couple of Commercial Real Estate deals right now where a $3M upfront cash down payment would provide about $450k in yearly NOI every year going forward. And this is just a check deposited into your account from the manager. You could permanently travel the globe and just withdraw money from your ATM whenever you needed, without really having to worry about touching the $3M.
Are you saying $450k per year isn't enough to live on?
December 6th, 2018 at 12:11 AM ^
This pales in comparison to most of the other stupid statements you've made, but just to point out the financial problems with this theory. First, $425 million is being split between approximately 500 survivors, so most of them are not receiving anything like $3 million. I don't know any details about the MSU settlement, but there may be taxes due on some of it if it's punitive, and there are legal costs unless the lawyers are working pro bono. Lastly, putting all of ones money into a single form of investment which promises Bernie Madoff sized annual returns is a terrible idea, so even if you walked away with $3 million, you would not be living on $450k per year.
I mean, all the other stuff you said was way worse, but I thought I'd just point out these problems.
December 6th, 2018 at 9:35 AM ^
Based on my experience if I had to wing an approximate cash figure for the victims in 2 minutes, I'd say they are looking at:
50m split between the firms and other liability/subsequent victim funds- 375m left
$750,000 per victim
Taxed at ~39% using 2018 federal and state tables
=$457,500 per victim
Good luck getting an investment with 100% ROI yearly for life. (only someone with an MSU degree would claim this works out to $450k per year)
December 5th, 2018 at 7:47 PM ^
But in your scenario YOU have the choice. THEY didn't have that opportunity.
December 5th, 2018 at 7:49 PM ^
The scenario clearly says the words, "against your will." Reading is fundamental.
December 5th, 2018 at 10:29 PM ^
But you're still offering it for someone to accept "against your will." You're still giving someone a choice. Posting Is Fundamental, jackass.
December 6th, 2018 at 10:13 AM ^
You are wrong again. The choice is whether you would trade your current situation for one where you had your genitals touched for $3M. There isn't a choice about your genitals being touched should you choose that route.
Basically, it's asking whether you would trade your current situation for one where you are $3M richer and never have to work anymore. Once that big check hits their accounts, I bet every bit of unpleasantness related to the experience will quickly melt away as they sit on a beach in Thailand and party for the next 10 years.
December 5th, 2018 at 8:17 PM ^
So you're worried about growth in formative years below but not worried about psychological, emotional, mental, etc. trauma endured during said formative and adolescent years...and just assume everyone turns out fine*. But hey you're "rich".
*not going out on a limb stating for a fact, many people do not turn out fine when sexually abused...and throwing wads of money at a damaged person probably doesn't turn out great either.
December 5th, 2018 at 8:28 PM ^
I'm absolutely not saying these girls are turning out fine at all. But I believe $3M more than makes up the difference between "Fine" and "Not Fine".
December 5th, 2018 at 10:49 PM ^
That's just deranged Smegmatic and your new account should be banned.
It's not deranged because you're posing a thoughtful but difficult question, it's deranged because you are presenting a carefully selected scenario of strawmen and fantasy facts for which there is no comparable real world situation.
December 6th, 2018 at 8:17 AM ^
You are a terrible, terrible failure of a human being.
December 5th, 2018 at 8:55 PM ^
http://www.easypolls.net/poll.html?p=5c0880e9e4b0939f3b71c925
Here's a survey for everyone to take anonymously!
December 5th, 2018 at 7:09 PM ^
Fuck off
December 5th, 2018 at 7:15 PM ^
You...are fucked in the head.
December 5th, 2018 at 7:16 PM ^
these girls are all washed up gymnasts and most probably had no direction in life
How in the everloving FUCK would you know if they had direction in their life? And even if they didn't, JUST WHAT THE ASS DOES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH THE PRICE OF TEA IN CHINA YOU DUMB SHITPOSTER?
December 5th, 2018 at 7:23 PM ^
The reason I assume most have no direction in life is because most of these girls choose to forego meaningful education and career training to focus on Gymnastics growing up. They make decent money in competition and the Olympics, but you really only compete once or twice. $300k is a lot of money to a 16 year old, but that isn't going to last you forever(however, it will prevent further growth through your formative years).