Jim Harbaugh Presser, Tarik Black has fracture
Tarik Black: It's a fracture, similar to the one in the other foot last year
Winovich, Gentry, Watson, Runyan, Mone, JBB, Bredeson, Bush, have all emerged as leaders
Shea Patterson, he's really been good, focused, his level of focus and intesity ahs been really good. He's the one playing the best
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Starting tackles: progressing well, forging on, ready to attack this week
6 minute video from "Michigan Football". First 30 seconds the camera is sideways.
August 27th, 2018 at 12:44 PM ^
Good to hear from the coach! He'll have these guys seeing red when they see green! hehe
August 27th, 2018 at 12:48 PM ^
Damn.. its a fracture? He's gonna be gone for awhile ... this day can go to hell...
August 27th, 2018 at 12:49 PM ^
Not the news I was hoping for on Black.
August 27th, 2018 at 12:50 PM ^
OK, so similar to last year's injury. But this raises the question of whether Black actually could have returned by the end of last year, but the coaches held him out so as to preserve his RS, something they would not do this year.
August 27th, 2018 at 12:52 PM ^
I would imagine he'd be back by the last couple games of the season and the bowl game....and still be able to request a medical 6th year.
August 27th, 2018 at 12:52 PM ^
I believe that Harbaugh did say at one point Black most certainly could have played in the bowl game bud did so to preserve his redshirt as you mentioned.
August 27th, 2018 at 12:53 PM ^
Is the real question whether it requires surgery or not?
August 27th, 2018 at 2:07 PM ^
Yes. Midfoot injuries don't usually heal great on their own. This also applied to whether or not it's bad enough to require surgery.
August 27th, 2018 at 12:54 PM ^
And it happened exactly 4 weeks earlier this year.
Recovery time TBD, but 10 weeks would be the PSU game right after the bye week.
August 27th, 2018 at 12:59 PM ^
The thing that concerns me will be his mental game. As far as playing as to not injure himself again. Sometimes it takes awhile for the mental game to come back. To injure the other foot in the same way scares me... (Drake Harris). He's got to be discouraged no doubt.
August 27th, 2018 at 3:48 PM ^
That is a good way thinking about this, AZ!
August 27th, 2018 at 12:57 PM ^
No way he plays this year. Seeing his recovery last year leads me to think we won't see him in-action till 2019. Shame, he actually showed promise unlike the other freshmen wideouts.
August 27th, 2018 at 1:02 PM ^
Literally everything you said is wrong.
August 27th, 2018 at 1:05 PM ^
Literally everything you said about literally everything he said is wrong is right.
August 27th, 2018 at 1:08 PM ^
If you parse it fine enough, and get rid of the comparison to the other receivers, the part about Black "showing promise" was not wrong. But everything else seems off base.
August 27th, 2018 at 1:57 PM ^
Everything he said was wrong On purpose.
August 27th, 2018 at 2:48 PM ^
then he needs the /s because he is talking out the side of his neck.
August 27th, 2018 at 12:53 PM ^
Only judging from the text in this post - not actual video - he’s striking a bit more energetic tone. He was so down the dumps last year.
August 27th, 2018 at 12:58 PM ^
He really toned down his press conferences to avoid getting flagged by the officials for the new coaches sideline rule because he did not want to hurt the team. Said it on a podcast.
August 27th, 2018 at 2:39 PM ^
Fuck it. Take the "T".
I want the old Harbaugh intensity back.
August 27th, 2018 at 3:49 PM ^
I miss it too. . . But he also expounded to say that if he can't control himself on the sideline for the benefit of the team, how can he ask his players to?
August 27th, 2018 at 8:39 PM ^
I agree. Read my post again, I think you will see the /s.
August 27th, 2018 at 1:31 PM ^
The QB situtation last year still has me in the dumps.
August 27th, 2018 at 12:54 PM ^
I'm admittedly risking concern trolling here but Hogs fans warned of foot injuries when we signed Herbert. They suffered 6 in his last 2 years. FWIW I can't find any evidence it was an issue at Wisconsin so I'll lean towards sour grapes and unfortunate coincidence.
https://www.seccountry.com/arkansas/arkansas-football-foot-injuries-alexy-jean-baptiste
August 27th, 2018 at 12:57 PM ^
So was he responsible for Black's foot injury last year too? According to Sam Webb, Black's foot got caught while he was running a route in practice. It happens.
August 27th, 2018 at 1:21 PM ^
I'm not even saying he was responsible for injuries at Arkansas. Just sharing something that came up from their fans on Reddit CFB discussing the Black injury.
August 27th, 2018 at 12:58 PM ^
That would be quite a training regimen if Tarik broke his other foot 6 months before Herbert arrived ...
August 27th, 2018 at 1:00 PM ^
Maybe I’m dense, but how could an S&C program even contribute to an increase in foot injuries? Is he not focusing on the right foot muscles? Are the other players’ quads so strong that the slightest step on Black’s foot caused it to implode?
August 27th, 2018 at 1:05 PM ^
Totally a guess. Maybe the idea is the lifting program puts too much stress on the feet?
August 27th, 2018 at 2:45 PM ^
I seem to recall reading that resistance training increases bone density, so that seems unlikely.
August 27th, 2018 at 1:06 PM ^
My guess would be that he has everyone add weight that maybe their body’s aren’t meant to support. Just a guess
August 27th, 2018 at 1:27 PM ^
10+ years of experience in collegiate S&C and strength athletics. Only orthopedic foot injuries I ever saw were people stepping on feet with cleats on during practice/games, crap shoes tied too tight causing stress reaction stuff, and the occasional accidentally dropped thing on foot or kicked something stupid.
August 27th, 2018 at 1:38 PM ^
As someone who has done personal training for years now and studied physiotherapy, I can say the human body is not meant to pack on a ton of muscle or fat in a short amount of time. We aren’t designed to do it. When you gain, say, 15 pounds of muscle in a short amount of time the body isn’t used to keeping the weight upright. Which increases pressure on certain joints/ligaments/bones. Not saying that any of this is why Tarik broke his foot, far from it. But there is something to that theory.
August 27th, 2018 at 2:04 PM ^
That 15 pounds of extra muscle broke his other foot!
August 27th, 2018 at 2:17 PM ^
"When you gain, say, 15 pounds of muscle in a short amount of time the body isn’t used to keeping the weight upright. Which increases pressure on certain joints/ligaments/bones."
This is hardly the first time in Michigan football history that players are adding significant amounts of weight and muscle after they arrive as freshmen. If doing so consistently led to injuries in the feet, we'd have been seeing foot injuries far more commonly and frequently in recent years than we have. And we'd be seeing an epidemic of it all over the CFB landscape.
Now are football players just getting too big overall for their joints/ligaments/bones everywhere in the body? I wouldn't be surprised if that were the case, but focusing specifically on feet injuries under Herbert seems like trying to take random incidence and turning it into data with predictive power.
August 27th, 2018 at 3:13 PM ^
The fact that you are equating the result of fat gain and muscle gain as basically causing the same problems in the body tells me you are either overgeneralizing or don't know what you are talking about. The "short amount of time" in this case is 6+ months. These are P5 athletes, not sedentary office workers looking to lose the ol' spare tire.
I figured it was only a matter of time before the "BUT WHY DID THIS INJURY HAPPEN, WE MUST DIAGNOSE ON A MESSAGE BOARD" crowd started pointing fingers at Herbert. We finally have an S&C coach that might be somewhat elite and the keyboard warriors are already blaming him for injuries.
August 27th, 2018 at 3:22 PM ^
I'm no doctor, but that nerve of yours might be a little too exposed.
I did however sleep at a Holiday Inn last night.
August 27th, 2018 at 7:11 PM ^
I think you just cracked the case!
August 27th, 2018 at 2:16 PM ^
From all the pics, the quads on these young men totally beefed up. Yet, shoes are a more likely culprit than a S and C coaching regiment, I would hypothesize. Perhaps Black needs orthotics or a wider shoe? Or a thinner shoe? Or a longer shoe?
August 27th, 2018 at 3:25 PM ^
Or no shoes, or untied shoelaces... worked for Barry and Denard.
August 27th, 2018 at 2:41 PM ^
He makes them lift too many weights and they keep dropping them on their foot?
August 27th, 2018 at 1:17 PM ^
What workout causes bone weakness? And what workout strengthens the muscles of the foot so much as to reduce the risk of a foot fracture? Knee ligaments I can understand some relationship. Foot bones? Nah.
August 27th, 2018 at 1:29 PM ^
Stress fractures are most common in the weight-bearing bones of the lower leg and foot. Track and field athletes and military recruits who carry heavy packs over long distances are particularly susceptible, but anyone can have a stress fracture. If you start a new exercise program, for example, you might develop stress fractures if you do too much too soon.
https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/stress-fractures/symptoms-causes/syc-20354057
August 27th, 2018 at 1:38 PM ^
I have no independent understanding of this. Nor do I know whether MGoUser Max does. But he said this in the Herbert welcome post:
"there are some disconcerting deficiencies in his understanding of [squat] execution"
And from an Arkansas board:
"He does focus a lot on legs and back. Which, honestly, can slow a player down a bit. IMO, this emphasis in training has contributed to the foot injuries we've seen here."
S&C is an easy scapegoat and I don't have enough evidence to suggest anything other than coincidence, but ultimately it seemed worth discussing in light of the Black injury.
August 27th, 2018 at 2:26 PM ^
Perhaps Black has certain physiology that makes him particularly susceptible to fractures in his feet. As several posters have said, Black hadn't put on a bunch of pounds from S&C in 2017.
August 27th, 2018 at 3:32 PM ^
A little ballet in the training regimen would definitely help strengthen the muscles in the feet which would help greatly.
August 27th, 2018 at 7:39 PM ^
This, Harbaugh said something in the presser that caught my ear. Something about we got his left foot fixed, and now were going fix the right. Possible existing circumstance in his feet that leads to these fractures?
August 27th, 2018 at 1:20 PM ^
You're blaming Ben Herbert for Tarik Black's broken foot last year?
August 27th, 2018 at 3:36 PM ^
Stopped reading at Hogs fans
August 27th, 2018 at 6:21 PM ^
Just stop with blaming Herbert and staff. Blacks foot injuries are genetic. You don’t have similar injuries bilaterally under similar circumstances. And stop with stupid theories about orthotics, etc.
Everyone needs to relax about losing Black. This is football. Injuries happen