When were you most disappointed in the program?
Seems to be a lot of excitement and optimism around the upcoming season. So of course this got the Maizen side of my brain thinking; what event in Michigan sports history caused you the most disappointment or embarrassment as a fan (or even a player for some of you fortunate few)?
After what happened in Maryland recently, watching Sugar Shane get put back in the game after an obvious concussion is mine. Made worse due to the lack of awareness and headset worn by Hoke.
August 14th, 2018 at 10:46 PM ^
2008-2014
August 15th, 2018 at 8:32 AM ^
Man I'd hate to see you when something worse than 2017 happens to this football team. Like, say, almost every year between 2008-2014.
August 15th, 2018 at 9:54 AM ^
I kind of agree with him.
Last year was a massive disappointment because you wouldn't expect a season to feel so Hoke-like with Jim Harbaugh at the helm.
Given that there were zero quality wins, two games that were thrown away due to poor coaching (Michigan State and South Carolina), no victories over rivals, QB and OL regression...I never expected that. Honestly, what was there to be happy about last year when it came to the results? That Michigan probably would have beaten Ohio State with a different QB?
There were certainly lower points from 2008-2014, but from a disappointment standpoint last year was hard to top*.
*Obviously, the Morris concussion and how it was handled was the most disappointed I've been in regards to the program, but I'm looking at it from strictly football.
August 15th, 2018 at 8:39 PM ^
I 100% agree with all your points
For me it was when RichRod was announced as new coach absolutely most disappointed. That hire failed us in every way and took us down paths our program has never seen before. I was so pissed at Martin.
August 14th, 2018 at 10:48 PM ^
After reading this post.
August 14th, 2018 at 10:52 PM ^
Hey man, I'm bored and sitting in the hospital. Decided to post here than follow an unhealthy urge to see what crap is being discussed on the osu boards.
August 14th, 2018 at 10:56 PM ^
Sorry, man. I hope all is OK relative to the hospital.
Sometimes I can’t control the urge to be a jackass.
August 14th, 2018 at 11:08 PM ^
Thanks, no worries. Kidney stone removal.
And I'm the jackass. Just trying to stay involved on the board since the update. Gotta force myself to do it even if it means wasting most board members' time or bringing up bad memories.
August 14th, 2018 at 11:18 PM ^
Good luck. Been down the kidney stone road. I thought I was going to die. Literally started walking to the hospital until my wife picked me up walking down the road.
Never want to go there again.
August 15th, 2018 at 8:34 AM ^
Just had my first kidney stone last month. I woke up and within 45 minutes I was lying on the bathroom floor dry-heaving into the toilet. Then proceeded to walk to the hospital 2 blocks away and when I arrived my entire body was soaked in sweat. When the nurse saw me, she rushed me into the emergency room. First time I have ever been to an ER where there was NO wait. But kidney stones suck..thank god for pain meds.
August 15th, 2018 at 12:24 PM ^
I went to the ER for my first and second kidney stones. The first time I had to wait 3 hours because they were treating a guy who got doused with tar. He was screaming in agony. I was a grad student at UofM and M-Care paid for everything. The second time was on my company health care. The bill was $6K of which I had to pay $1K. The third stone I had, I waited to see my doctor during regular hours. That cost me a $20 copay. ER visits are damn expensive.
Anyway, I think/hope I finally learned my lesson. I drink A LOT of water every day.
August 14th, 2018 at 10:48 PM ^
the Horror.
August 14th, 2018 at 10:48 PM ^
The moment Hoke sent Morris back onto the field.
August 15th, 2018 at 7:41 AM ^
This is what I was thinking !
August 15th, 2018 at 2:51 PM ^
I knew the Hoke Era was over when Lloyd Carr left the game shortly after the half.
August 14th, 2018 at 10:48 PM ^
Free tickets with the purchase of 2 Coke products.
August 14th, 2018 at 10:52 PM ^
We have a winner
August 14th, 2018 at 11:37 PM ^
Almost any answer would have been technically irrefutable as a matter of opinion. You managed to pick an answer that is irrefutably wrong, since the "2 Coke" promotion wasn't a program decision at all. A retailer outside of the athletic department decided to run with that.
It is one of the worst-reported stories in the recent history of the program in that regard.
I expect this sort of mistaken trashtalk from ill-informed rival fans. Not informed M Men.
August 14th, 2018 at 11:48 PM ^
It doesn't matter how it was reported or who was really responsible for the promotion.
Were free tickets available for the purchase of Cokes? That is pretty embarrassing, and a pretty loud signal about how low the program was at that moment, whether DB had anything to do with it or not.
August 15th, 2018 at 12:02 AM ^
The tickets weren't the property of the Athletic Department anymore. And the retailer was trying to do something for students, inside the Union. How many total tickets were involved in that "while supplies last promotion"? 20? 50? In what; Row 97? I wonder how many student tickets go unused, or show up late, now that Jim Hackett hired Jim Harbaugh who is working for Warde Manuel.
But hey, I get it. The modern credo of the MGoBoard is to hate on anything that happened when Dave Brandon was AD. Without regard to, you know, the actual facts.
August 15th, 2018 at 1:45 AM ^
I was most disappointed with pretty much anything and everything that happened in the program during Dave Brandon's watch. Without regard to, you know, the actual facts.
August 15th, 2018 at 6:41 AM ^
Man you are obtuse. The point isn’t who ran the promotion, though if it were the program then it would have been objectively worse. The point is the fact that the promotion was even needed to get some people tonthe game made the program disappointing.
August 15th, 2018 at 7:21 AM ^
This is just embarrassing too. Coke was working with the AD. They weren't just a local business that purchased tickets at retail and gave them away however they wanted. The AD admitted the promotion was a mistake and had it pulled. The AD was involved with other promotions to move tickets they could no longer sell, but that one went too far, at least to withstand publicity. It was an embarrassing time for a lot of Michigan fans.
https://www.mlive.com/wolverines/index.ssf/2014/09/promotion_selling_two_michigan.html
August 15th, 2018 at 9:54 AM ^
No, wrong. The tickets were purchased (or else, were provided to a local bottler/distributor as part of a marketing agreement), and it was the sloppy, unauthorized local bottler/distributor that ran out the promotion.
Seriously, boys and girls; this is the equivalent of my buying my season tickets for something like $110 each, and then giving them away to a guy who cuts my lawn a week before the game because I can't go. The lawncutter goes on his Twitter account and says he got Michigan tickets as a tip for cutting a lawn. And thereafter, the world of Twitter (followed by the larger media world) presuming that Michigan tickets are worth nothing.
We had the second-highest attendance in the Big Ten Conference that week; 102,926. That was less than Ohio State's 108,362 (they played a rare instate game versus Cincinnati), but more than Penn State's 102,910.
August 14th, 2018 at 11:53 PM ^
Hello darkness my old friend
August 14th, 2018 at 10:49 PM ^
Appalachian. it was over at that point and the new MGoBlog
August 14th, 2018 at 10:50 PM ^
Bumblebee Unis.
August 14th, 2018 at 10:50 PM ^
Nebraska at home. Hit rock bottom that night!
August 14th, 2018 at 11:04 PM ^
My memory sucks but wasn’t the Bellomy disaster on the road? Pretty sure the last time we played Nebraska at home, Denard shit on them.
Edit: lol. Nope. We did lose to them at home in 2013.
August 15th, 2018 at 12:14 AM ^
Yes. Nebraska's defense was ranked around 112th in the nation. I watched mighty Wyoming put up nearly 700 yards of offense on their D in Lincoln. And here we were...playing at the big house...and that same crappy ass Nebraska D held us in check all day. If we hadn't recovered a fumble deep in NU territory, we'd have stayed at 10 points.
Ugh. I hate that I even remember this garbage.
August 14th, 2018 at 10:51 PM ^
The Gibbons situation was a pretty low moment
August 14th, 2018 at 10:55 PM ^
It could have been far less problematic if Hoke had just said something like “Brandon is not with the team for a violation of team rules” or something. WTF was with that “he has a family thing” BS? Maddening. There was absolutely nothing to possibly be gained by telling that lie.
August 14th, 2018 at 11:45 PM ^
This one is a mystery to me. What was so bad, program-wise about that?
Gibbons cooperated with AAPD. They interviewed him, he answered their questions. He did it without a lawyer. They (testing him, no doubt, since it would not be admissible) asked Brendan if he would undergo a polygraph. He said he would.
And then Gibbons' accuser quit cooperating with police.
There were two, maybe three AAPD detectives who worked the case. They did not refer or recommend any charges to the Washtenaw County Prosecutor's office. There was never a charge, or a trial, or a conviction.
What exactly was the football program supposed to do that that?
Then, there was a student "conflict resolution" hearing. And I sure as heck don't know what happened there. I'm not willing to presume that it was anything other than a kangaroo court. If you know better, I'll be really interested, because to date I've never seen a transcript or a report of anything coming out of it. Gibbons' private personal letter indicating his expulsion was leaked -- disgracefully and illegally -- to the Daily. That was a low moment for the Daily and Michigan student government and administrators. But not the football program.
August 15th, 2018 at 7:04 AM ^
I got to agree with you here. Our rivals (and some on this board) keep screaming “cover up!!!” But the program and university had nothing to go on. There were no charges, and at the time the university could not conduct an administrative hearing without the victim’s cooperation. When those admin laws changed, the hearing was scheduled.
The only program university related screw/ups were how Hoke and Brandon handles the media.
August 15th, 2018 at 7:28 AM ^
How does it feel to be equally despised on a rival message board, as well as your own teams message board?
August 15th, 2018 at 10:08 AM ^
Good, mostly! It's no accident, of course. I'm not here for fellowship or "community." I'm here for information, and sifting facts from myths. And college football fans on all sides are passionately guilty of some of the worst and most hypocritical abuses of facts and law and principles.
At ElevenWarriros.com, I defended the Gibbons matter (rightfully, to Ramzy Nasrallah's distress) and told them all, that someday, they'd have a star tailback or a point guard or some other notable Buckeye hero who would be caught up in a Title IX controversy where the star would be expelled in a case where there was not arrest, no charges, no trial, and no conviction. Shortly thereafter, the controversy with OSU Marching Band leader Jon Waters divided that community, and after that, Torrance Gibson was expelled and Urban Meyer (in one of the rarest scenes I have ever observed at that level) went before the press and flatly said that he disagreed with the expulsion.
And then, the ElevenWarriors crowd said, "We gave you a lot of shit about Gibbons, M Man, but you were right."
I got lots of pushback at MGoBlog in writing about the Rodriguez era when I was supposed to be a good fanboy and supporting Brady Hoke, and when Bacon's book "Three and Out" was released, I was able to write a couple of MGoBlog diaries pointing out that "We [because it certainly wasn't me alone, Brian Cook was damn near prescient in all of it] were right." It caused such a kerfuffle here that Seth Fisher started a Wordpress blog for me. I wish I actually had time to run a blog.
August 15th, 2018 at 7:37 PM ^
It was a rhetorical question.
August 14th, 2018 at 10:55 PM ^
Rich Rod hire.
August 14th, 2018 at 11:02 PM ^
At the time? I doubt it.
August 14th, 2018 at 11:06 PM ^
Oh I don’t know.....I mean, Alabama wanted him and he turned them down. I was pretty excited by the hire.
I just was surprised Schiano was asked before RR.
As far as my answer....probably UM basketball getting in trouble and hitting rock bottom for a long time. Although, I was a Hoke supporter for longer than most....THATS embarrassing to admit.
OP, hope hospital is for happy reasons. If not, hopefully your stay is brief and not too concerning....
August 14th, 2018 at 11:16 PM ^
Thanks. I was a Hoke apologist. Embarrassing in hindsight because I thought of him as a good guy until the Morris oversight.
Just a few days with two surgeries. More pain than expected. Not cool sitting around with tubes through your back and up your dickhole. I'm not as tough as Larry Prout, that's for sure.
August 14th, 2018 at 11:51 PM ^
Full brutal honesty; when I had a colectomy a couple years ago I was actually a little sad to see the catheter go. For a few days, It and the dilaudid brought me to heights of laziness I can only wish to ever reach again.
August 15th, 2018 at 12:45 AM ^
Same here... except when they pulled the catheter out? I hope to never have to endure that again.
August 15th, 2018 at 2:36 AM ^
So Brady Hoke is a bad guy?
August 15th, 2018 at 12:15 AM ^
The Rich Rod hire is an underrated low point, particularly in light of events of the last year. It's not just because of the losing. I'm guessing he didn't just start becoming a scumbag when he went to Arizona.
August 15th, 2018 at 1:35 AM ^
Meh, he was on the cusp of a big job and he got the Michigan job and if we got Pryor - who knows what would have happened... (good or bad)
When we were beating Florida in the Outback bowl and Coach Rod was in the booth in one of his first big interviews - I was pretty damn excited.
People forget the end of the Carr era was eagerly awaited by a lot of people...
August 15th, 2018 at 3:09 AM ^
You can want a new coach AND for the new coach to not be the worst in the history of the program.
August 15th, 2018 at 10:00 AM ^
But his hire wasn't disappointing. At that point he had an excellent track record and was the probably top option available.
August 15th, 2018 at 2:58 PM ^
That’s fair. Might not have been disappointing at the time of the hire, but was disappointing from the first whistle of the first practice until the last.