OT- RIP Phillip Seymour Hoffman
February 2nd, 2014 at 3:20 PM ^
It always sucks when someone dies, but I have little sympathy for cases like this.
February 2nd, 2014 at 3:24 PM ^
I don't think anyone is asking for your sympathy.
February 2nd, 2014 at 3:26 PM ^
So you have zero compassion for anyone whose flaws result in accidental death?
You're an asshole.
February 2nd, 2014 at 3:38 PM ^
For him, being selfish and subjecting himself to such a risky act that often ends in death, not so much.
February 2nd, 2014 at 3:40 PM ^
I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess that you've never dealt with drug addiction.
February 2nd, 2014 at 3:53 PM ^
I feel the exact same way, and yes I have dealt with drug addiction, from multiple angles.
February 2nd, 2014 at 3:56 PM ^
Well unless either of you have ever been addicted to heroin, which I seriously doubt, I'm not sure you're qualified to speak on the matter, and you're sure as hell not qualified to call someone who just died of a heroin overdose "selfish."
February 2nd, 2014 at 3:59 PM ^
No I have never been addicted to heroin, although I did have a good friend die from OD on it. I loved her but what she did was selfish and weak. If drugs have taken control it's time to quit, and if you can't quit you need to seek help.
February 2nd, 2014 at 4:12 PM ^
I am sorry about your friend, and because I don't want to bog things down here, I'll just make the final comment that I really don't think people with heroin addiction are capable of saying "welp, it's time to quit" merely because their lives are falling apart. There is a reason that this drug destroys many people, and unless you have felt the physical power of that addiction before (which admittedly I have not), I don't think it's fair to call someone selfish or weak. Hoffman did seek and receive help multiple times for heroin abuse. Unsurprisingly, it just didn't work.
February 2nd, 2014 at 5:18 PM ^
Society is ass backwards when they give 2 seconds to these stupid celebrities who live wrecklessly
February 2nd, 2014 at 5:03 PM ^
so ironic about what you are saying is that drug addicts are often the most SELFLESS people, and the reason they do what they do is because they always put other people ahead of themselves. You can call it codependence if you want and it may be, but it does not mean that they don't care, and most often, they care way more than the people they leave behind. Look at your statement, your opinion of people suffering from addiction is why most of them don't seek help.
I think at some point you were given an inaccurate definition of "weak." And I think it may be time to re-evaluate your friend's death. I feel bad that you know somebody who was a victim of addiction but if you think addiction = weakness you truly, truly, do not understand it.
February 2nd, 2014 at 5:22 PM ^
Well I do think addiction is in large part a weakness. You can call me wrong but this view has, in my opinion, been the reason why I have never became addicted to drugs even though I very easily could have.
February 2nd, 2014 at 5:46 PM ^
has as much to do with weakness as Autism for god sake. Addicts process information in different ways than you or me. You did not become an addict before because you are not one. You are not an addict because you were not cursed with it. If you did not get cancer would you take credit for your mental fortitude? You cannot see yourself as an addict because your brain works correctly. I don't know you so I don't want to get personal, but your views on what addiction is about is seriously at about a 12 year old level. I know two addicts on a very personal level and they are two of the strongest, most emotionally available people I have ever met. And the last word I would use to describe them would be weak.
Phillip Seymour Hoffman was found dead, alone, with a needle is his arm. In his arm. Does you think that sounds like a person that had it all together? Does that sound like a person that was having a little too much fun? Partying a little too much? Addiction is a sinister disease. In some cases, involuntary suicide. The self-loathing that it takes to acknowledge this as weakness is truly something to behold.
February 2nd, 2014 at 8:09 PM ^
You can call me naive, but I think he didn't become an addict because he was smart enough not to stick a needle in his arm. I'm not addicted to coke, crack, meth or heroin because I was smart enough to not do them in the first place and know full well they are addictive. I'm sorry that your friends are addicts, but if they decided not to try it in the first place then they would not be addicts now.
February 2nd, 2014 at 9:50 PM ^
That's interesting. I don't see any posts from Crazy Canuck until now. Who exactly called you naive?
February 2nd, 2014 at 10:00 PM ^
It's figure of speach. As you can call me naive for my view I'm stating.
February 2nd, 2014 at 10:03 PM ^
Oh. Gotcha. Well then let's just make it official. You're naive.
February 3rd, 2014 at 3:14 AM ^
February 2nd, 2014 at 11:22 PM ^
You make it sound like your born an addict. Studies show that you can inherit addictive traits and if thats true I likely have them since my own mother has been in and out of jail and rehab. My mom isn't a weak person but her not being able to fully overcome addiction is absolutley a weakness on her part.
If I wasn't born an addict I might as well start doing coke on a daily basis, becuase as you say I wasn't born an addict. You logic is clearly flawed. The reason i'm not addicted to coke is im strong enough to do it a handful of times in my entire life and never feel dependent upon it. I absolutley view that as a strength of mine. I have weaknesses as well but addiction is not one of them.
February 3rd, 2014 at 1:20 AM ^
Your rebuttal still doesn't show any flaw in his logic because I don't think he's suggesting that genetic predisposition is the only way to become an addict. And if there is one thing that is almost certainly not a product of mental "strength," it's the ability to fend off addiction. Mice with naturally high levels of FosB will literally starve themselves in favor of cocaine if given the choice, and the degree of heritability of cocaine addiction is right around 50 percent, which exceeds that of diabetes, hypertension, and breast cancer. But perhaps you won't get diabetes because you're really mentally strong.
February 3rd, 2014 at 1:27 AM ^
To become physically addicted to something you need to do it enough where your body needs it. But most people are mentally addicted well before the body needs it. They became addcited becuase at some point they were to weak to say no, whether it be to others or themselves.
February 3rd, 2014 at 12:32 AM ^
February 2nd, 2014 at 4:32 PM ^
I believe that says it all about your perspective--human frailities are merely weakness. And Hoffman had sought treatment on multiple occasions--most recently this past Summer. It's kinda why they call them addictions.
February 2nd, 2014 at 4:08 PM ^
My son became addicted to heroin and it has been a living hell for they entire family. Nobody knows what the addicted person goes through except for them. My son is now serving a prison sentence for stealing to support his habit. I truely believe that if he had not gotten arrested and put in prison, he would be dead from an overdose by now. I strongly suggest unless you have been part of a situation that involved heroin addiction, you refrain from posting any idiotic comments
February 2nd, 2014 at 5:26 PM ^
But, while I, myself, have never been addicted to (or even tried) heroin. I did live with an uncle who was addicted to crack. I saw first hand how it tore apart the family. The lying and cheating to feed the habit without any regard for the innocent lives he ruined. He got treatment and is doing better. He doesn't ask for sympathy and asks that any type of sympathy be channeled to the true victims of his actions...his wife and son (who still won't speak to his dad). He'll be the first to tell you that what he did was selfish. Part of his therapy is to realize that and take accountability.
I'm sorry if my original comment was offensive, but I base my thoughts and feelings on this topic on my experience with living along side a crack addict.
February 2nd, 2014 at 6:59 PM ^
First of all, your analogy is false. When people comment on football here, they aren't commenting on what it's like to play in the game. They are commenting on aspects of the game that are capable of being understood by an observer, such as formations, playcalls, rules, etc.
Second, your personal anecdote about your uncle successfully getting help after being addicted to an entirely different class of drug still doesn't make you qualified to judge heroin addicts or speak about the reasons for its abuse.
February 2nd, 2014 at 7:23 PM ^
And you probably shouldn't be comparing and contrasting the addictions between different classes of drugs since...you know...you have never been addicted to either. Being addicted to crack or heroin doesn't matter in this case.
A lot of red herrings in your post.
February 2nd, 2014 at 9:48 PM ^
Nope, your analogy still sucks. People are very capable of understanding strategy in the game of football without actually being a coach or playcaller because football lends itself well to objective criticism regardless of personal experience. The same is not even remotely true of drug addiction.
And you're right - I haven't been addicted to either drug, which is why I'm not sitting here judging people. Consider it a free lesson.
February 2nd, 2014 at 10:39 PM ^
Your lessons suck brah
February 2nd, 2014 at 10:53 PM ^
Lol what? How is my point at all refuted by the fact that the football analysis is of Michigan and not some other team?
February 3rd, 2014 at 8:56 AM ^
February 3rd, 2014 at 11:40 AM ^
Yeah, that's the problem.
February 2nd, 2014 at 4:16 PM ^
Enjoy your fat burger and nachos while watching the super bowl today. If you die of an heart attack, I will have sympathy for both you and your family. The legality of your actions doesn't change my sympathy.
February 2nd, 2014 at 5:27 PM ^
Someone who abuses their body with food isn't much better. I know you think your example will illutrate a point however all you did is provide another example of someone not being strong enough to treat their body with respect.
February 3rd, 2014 at 3:25 AM ^
February 2nd, 2014 at 3:43 PM ^
I agree with you for the most part, but accidental death... No. Sure it wasn't intentional, but the inherit risk of doing drugs precludes this from being accidental in my opinion.
February 2nd, 2014 at 10:17 PM ^
Would you call a fatal car crash an accidental death?
February 3rd, 2014 at 12:18 PM ^
Well it depends, was the car driving dangerously?
February 3rd, 2014 at 12:36 PM ^
Not particularly.
February 3rd, 2014 at 12:28 PM ^
Double post. So would this be considered accidental since I was using less than reliable cell phone thethering?
February 2nd, 2014 at 3:31 PM ^
Totally impressed. Being able to avoid compassion over the loss of a great actor, to his friends, family, etc. really earns you points in heaven.
We guess you told him.
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February 2nd, 2014 at 3:49 PM ^
Congratulations, WCB: you just won the Ignorant Asshole Award!
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