(ESPN RUMOR) Potential Coaching Moves

Submitted by robbyt003 on November 24th, 2013 at 5:14 PM

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 Following the Wolverines' loss to Iowa on Saturday in which it was outgained 407 yards to 158 by the Hawkeyes and blew a 21-7 halftime lead, Michigan is 7-4 and Brady Hoke is approaching hot-seat territory. Some coaches I spoke with this week said, at the very least, he will likely have to part ways with offensive coordinator Al Borges. (If Michigan does open again, either this year or next, one trusted college football source suggested that LSU coach Les Miles could finally head home to his alma mater. “I’ll bet that’s where he goes and retires,” the source said.)

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coastal blue

November 25th, 2013 at 6:33 AM ^

You are dumb. I feel like people like you need to be called out. 

This is Michigan's offensive output the last 4 games in regulation. Try to find a relevant team that is this bad. I even looked at our 2008 offense. They never had a stretch like this:

208 Yards per game.

10.5 points per game. 

Three games under 200 yards of offense.

Trying to compare what we are seeing here to anything else is the highest order of idiocy. Which makes sense, because you are an idiot. 


November 24th, 2013 at 10:58 PM ^

1) Fire Al Borges after the upcoming probable loss to OSU, and whatever bowlgame we end up playing around the holidays.  DB has a talk with Hoke about expectations.  Find a new OC, who knows something about the spread offense and west coast offense.

2)  If Hoke does not improve on current record next year, then promote Greg Mattison to Head Coach and let him pick his assistant coaches for OC and DC.  Give him 2-3 years to stabilize the program and win the division, which will include OSU beginning in 2014.

3) If Michigan Football continues to go downhill, then buyout Les Miles.

Al Borges

November 24th, 2013 at 11:48 PM ^

I haven't heard anything of the sort from Brady.  He knows I know offensive scheming and playcalling so I can't imagine he'd be thinking of firing me.  It's the damn execution.


November 25th, 2013 at 12:52 AM ^

David Brandon won't fire Brady Hoke.  Not because, as I believe, he shouldn't, but because it will make Brandon look bad.  Besides, even David Brandon isn't stupid and arrogant enough to risk losing key pieces of a great 2014 recruiting class.

My guess is that Borges will be sacrificed to the altar of MANBALL by Brandon.  Then, he will go somewhere that doesn't have the David Brandon MANBALL mandate and rebuild what was a good reputation.  

The MANBALL mandate reminds me of the old joke told in the Henny Youngman era. Michigan is like the guy who keeps hitting himself in the head with a hammer because it "feels so good when he stops."  Except that Michigan hasn't stopped.



November 25th, 2013 at 1:14 AM ^

Yeah I'm delusional, but would a win over Ohio be enough for the anti-Borges crowd to back off, or would that just be worse because of what might have been, etc?


November 25th, 2013 at 2:19 AM ^

I would seriously appreciate a win over Ohio State though it is highly unlikely. Borges has lost me with some of the awful statistics this offense is putting up. They are putting up a historically bad season just like our DBs and the defense did under RichRod. Our response was to throw the baby out with the bath water and fire RichRod. Unfortunately for him he went 3-9 his first season and had no political capital to fallback on when the results did not come in Year 3 that we wanted.

Hoke had that capital but it is nearing and probably at an end. It is very close to put up or shutup time. I think if our program throws a "hail mary", getting rid of most of the offensive coaches and finding replacements with proven track records, the fan base will at least fill like it is being heard and taken seriously.

These results this year are not acceptable. Again historically bad performance that we saw under the last regime that repeatedly used the same excuse, youth, that we did not tolerate. The current regime should be held to the same standard.

I do not want to get rid of Hoke but he is at a crossroads and if he does not get assistants on the offensive side of the ball that can help him win 2015 may be the end of this experiment barring a complete collapse next year. 

coastal blue

November 25th, 2013 at 7:13 AM ^

No, because again, you are an idiot. 

208 yards per game.

10.5 points per game. 

That is Borges' offense over four games in regulation. And he needed a miracle from the FG unit to get there. 

Here's a comparison: Imagine a DC towards the end of the season finishing up with this stretch over four games:

496.7 YPG allowed. 43.7 PPG allowed. That's Greg Robinson in 2010 over the last four games. And I cheated and included Illinois, because that defense actually had a decent game against a really bad Purdue offense. 

You can say you're arguing "dumb arguments" against playcalling, but let's be real with one another: You're mad because you thought this staff was the perfect fit and you can't handle the fact that its clearly flawed. So you hide behind your little facade of "Oh, I'm only here to reason logically about playcalling" but in reality you're here because you supported Borges and now can't come to terms with the idea that you were so incredibly wrong. 

You and yours put more words on this board than any other 10 posters combined, all doing the same thing: Defending Al Borges. Congrats, you want the Greg Robinson of the offense to stick around. 


November 25th, 2013 at 3:08 AM ^

There are examples of Saban grabbing his head in frustration, Harbaugh looking so confused you'd wonder if he just saw a UFO, Bill Belichick looking as clueless as he always does, etc. But I'm on a phone and this image search sucks. I'll keep going if you want. I just think if a picture is worth 1000 words, most of them are "durr".


November 25th, 2013 at 2:46 AM ^

But if he loses another 4 games or more next season, I think 2015 will be his hot seat year and if he fails to win 10 games, I could see Miles wanting to head to Michigan.

Miles really wanted to come in ''08 but the only problem was he was never offered. That was all a hoax. LC vetoed that move from the start. So all that Bill Martin missing the phone call stuff while sailing was all fluff. May be Miles tried to call him when he heard reports that Michigan wanted him but Martin did not and never intended to answer his call, even if he was on his sail boat!

Miles was 2nd on my list of coaches for RR replacement. I think if DB offered he would have jumped. DB wanted Brady Hoke.

Jim Harbaugh

Less Miles.

I think he would do great here.  I think Brady can still do a great job though not seeing much progress in the team has me concerned but it is way too early to pull the plug on him and his staff. He wll decide he wants to keep his coaches or not. I don't think DB is going to make Hoke fire Borges. But if he doesn't see improvement next season then panic may set in for Hoke. I'm still a 100 percent Hoke supporter for the next 2 years.


November 25th, 2013 at 5:44 AM ^

+1 The only place Coach Hoke or Borges are getting fired is on this Blog. This site has more trolls, its hard to have a rational coversation here any more. I can't wait till after the Game is over everyone on this site will act like they were supposed to win and say surely now they must fire these coaches.. Who honestly thought (before Saturdays first half) UM was going to win in Iowa. All I heard is how they were going to lose and now that they have its again time to replace the coaches whole sale. ITS NOT HAPPENING get over yourselves, Get a clue this team will be playing for the B1G next year that is happening. GO BLUE!!!!!


November 25th, 2013 at 6:27 AM ^

I'd say everyone thought Iowa would be tough. Correct.

I don't think people expected to lose to Nebraska and or PSU and to look like dogshit in almost every other game this year.

Michigan's play has put Hoke on the hotseat for next year. 10 or 11 losses in 2 years, you don't deserve to use assistants to save your ass.

I feel sorry for the guy, he wasn't dealt a good hand or a QB but this is a disaster.


November 25th, 2013 at 6:39 AM ^

Les just turned 60 so he has a few years to turn this around.

He brings Cam with him, Cam has head coaching experience in college and the pros.

I just want a damn strong team.


November 25th, 2013 at 9:31 AM ^

Nevermind the next paragraph in the article that says:

These last two might not be as likely as some of the others, but even if they don't take place, we're suddenly gearing up for what could be a very active coaching carousel season.

I fully expect to see Borges still with UM next year. I'm not saying he should be gone, I don't know enough to have an intelligent position on that. But I'd say next year is a make-or-break year for him.


November 25th, 2013 at 9:58 AM ^

I am ambivalent to whether or not Borges stays.  I don't know enough inside the program like Hoke and Dave Brandon do, so I will trust their judgment.  Retaining Borges though automatically puts him on the hottest of hot seats and could potentially damage Hoke's credibility as a HC.

Whatever, I'm just going to cheer for Michigan.


November 25th, 2013 at 1:16 PM ^

Miles wanted to come here in 2008.  He acted and talked like a man that had been in contact with us and wanted to coach here.  He was derailed by his own team's success and by internal politics at Michigan and LSU  that forced his hand and made him sign that contract extension if he wanted to coach his own team in the title game.

Harbaugh wanted to come here in 2011.  Right up to the point where the 49ers offered him crazy money to be an NFL coach right in his backyard.  He would have been a dominant coach for us, but he would have always been an NFL flight risk.  Perhaps some day he will tire of the endless grind of the NFL where you never can hold a talent advantage over your opponents for long and the players seem to tune your message out quickly and decide to come back to the college game.  At that point we would be idiotic not to grab him for the rest of his career. 

What should we do now?   I don't know.  But watching our tire-fire of an offense tells me we need to do something, because we just suck.


November 25th, 2013 at 2:23 PM ^

The major issue with the offense is that we have seen no improvement from week one to this week. We have lineman that still cannot pick up a blitz or a stunt. The being young is understandale, but not seeing any improvment is unacceptable. Hokes future rides on what he does with Borges, if he keeps him and next year is not a major improvement I think he his gone. IF he replaces him and show some improvement, he wil get another year.