Michigan vs. ISU (Snowflakes) Thread
Tough road loss.
+ Got Experience
+ Non-conference
+ Looked good in spurts
- Refs
- Interior defense
- Rebounding
...not a bad loss in the grand scheme of things. Just hate to lose games that you feel should've won. That said, it was a tough loss...McGary's first game, and we did look good in spurts. Everyone is going to complain about the refs, and rightfully so. But we didn't play perfect.
I thought our subs were awful, we never went to "2 bigs" and ISU DOMINATED us on the boards and in the post.
November 17th, 2013 at 6:59 PM ^
Need to fire offensive coordinator. Offense was way too predictiable.
November 17th, 2013 at 7:01 PM ^
I wish the negs would come back
November 17th, 2013 at 7:12 PM ^
+1 informative
November 17th, 2013 at 7:13 PM ^
I guess you do not understand sarcasm unless there is a /s.
November 17th, 2013 at 7:16 PM ^
Dude, why the hell should anyone think that was sarcasm? Don't blame the board for your lack of execution
November 17th, 2013 at 7:18 PM ^
Nailed it.
November 17th, 2013 at 8:12 PM ^
"Dude:" I knew it was sarcasm instantly.
November 17th, 2013 at 7:17 PM ^
November 17th, 2013 at 7:33 PM ^
...it was funny. How could you not smile (or laugh) at that? Well crafted .
November 18th, 2013 at 3:17 AM ^
Well crafted? It's basically been the first reply to every post. Funny the first time, but come on. Have some originality.
November 17th, 2013 at 7:24 PM ^
November 17th, 2013 at 7:34 PM ^
I really was not trying to be funny. I just rather everyone be mad at my post then how the team played. It kind of worked since I got jumped on pretty quick.
Btw it was more of a shot at all the people that see every setback as a sky is falling.
November 18th, 2013 at 2:17 AM ^
Borges: Has won nothing, ruined two QB's, and has been in charge of an offense that seems to be getting worse by the week. He is also overseeing one of the worst offensive lines I have ever seen in college football, let alone at Michigan.
Beilein: Taken the team to a national championship game, Won a Big Ten Title, got the team back to the NCAA Tourney after a long drought, found and developed a 3 star recruit into the national player of the year.
I can see why you would compare the two sitautions. So much in common between the two.
November 18th, 2013 at 12:25 PM ^
borges was coordinator when we won the sugar bowl (a bcs bowl incase you forgot), and had 2 thousand yard rushers for the first time in forever, has gotten gallon to be the first thousand yard reciever since 2007 and on track to possibly break the michigan recieving record.
This team with the worst offensive line you have ever seen in college football and the ruined qb is still 7-3 and has scored 59, 41, 42, 40, and 63 points in games this year.
November 18th, 2013 at 3:24 PM ^
The hoops Borges apologists jump through to justify their god is simply amazing. I mean, they seriously want to make a case that Borges should be compared to Beilein...
November 17th, 2013 at 7:50 PM ^
But seriously, fire Borges.
November 17th, 2013 at 7:20 PM ^
We get that it's sarcasm. It's also dumb and played out.
November 17th, 2013 at 7:37 PM ^
November 17th, 2013 at 10:06 PM ^
That was funny, i miss the old voting everything is bland LIKE OUR OFFENSE
November 17th, 2013 at 10:14 PM ^
November 18th, 2013 at 9:24 AM ^
It's rapidly devolving into the "Fire RichRod" board posts. Almost all of us are in agreement that something needs to be done about the offense but constantly posting "Fire Borges lol" is just getting tired.
November 17th, 2013 at 6:59 PM ^
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November 17th, 2013 at 7:00 PM ^
We deserved to lose with that clutch time play...No Robinson or LeVert....but officiating was atrocious.
Good things to take out of this....McGary is good and will get better....and Stauskus has taken a huge step forward
Wondering why with our length we saw little zone on D, especially when it became clear we were having trouble jumping out on pick-and-rolls
November 17th, 2013 at 7:07 PM ^
Beilein's pretty consistently on record with not liking to go to zone unless the team has it perfected in practice. With such a young team and McGary probably not practicing those zone drills the last few weeks, I wasn't surprised.
Sure, it would have been a nice weapon to have, I bet they just aren't there yet.
November 17th, 2013 at 7:11 PM ^
Playing zone against ISU is not advisable. ANd it would have exacerbated the rebounding issue even more
November 17th, 2013 at 7:15 PM ^
Basketball is often a game of possessions.
If you go zone and get 3-4 consective defensive stops before they "figure it out" or catch up to it and burn you. It's worth it.
I would've done it just for the sake of throwing a different look at them. Often times that's enough to at least slow the other team down and break the rythym. It was certainly worth a shot.
In fact, someone should ask why we didn't go zone for a little bit.
November 17th, 2013 at 7:00 PM ^
FIRE BORGES
November 17th, 2013 at 7:01 PM ^
We have not gained enough in other ways to make up for losing the best player in college basketball.
November 17th, 2013 at 7:01 PM ^
November 17th, 2013 at 7:03 PM ^
Their fans are idiots. That's a pretty good team, but I want to root against them all year because of those yahoos.
November 17th, 2013 at 7:06 PM ^
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November 17th, 2013 at 7:04 PM ^
But it was such a big upset....
...oh wait, no it wasn't.
November 17th, 2013 at 7:04 PM ^
and Sweet Caroline...how cliche
November 17th, 2013 at 7:36 PM ^
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November 17th, 2013 at 8:10 PM ^
They weren't chanting over rated. It was something much more vulgar.
November 17th, 2013 at 7:01 PM ^
That's not going to happen later in the year. That's just a lack of Burke and Hardaway to provide leadership late in the game.
November 17th, 2013 at 7:02 PM ^
Biggest thing we couldn't take advantage of was when ISU switched McGary ball screens.
This will come with time. I like the idea of Stauskas being the guy we go to with ball screens with McGary while Walton is still gaining experience. By B10 play we'll need Walton and/or Spike to also be there.
November 17th, 2013 at 9:24 PM ^
I like Stauskas being the go-to guy in general. I'm not convinced that Robinson can create on his own, but his physical improvement should certainly make him a better player compared with last year. McGary is probably the next player who can create for himself and others via high or low post touches. Last year he showed a great ability to drive to the bucket in isolation or pick and roll situations. He missed an opportunity to do so at least once today, settling for a short jumper.
I think as the year goes on, Walton will be more and more comfortable attacking and creating offense. If he can convert a reasonable number of open three attempts, that should make us a contender. I like what Spike has shown so far, but Walton is just on another level athletically.
November 17th, 2013 at 7:02 PM ^
It's early in the year in a hostile environment. Iowa State is a good team, so it's not a bad loss. Lots to learn from this game, hopefully it gives them an edge when they play down in Puerto Rico.
November 17th, 2013 at 7:02 PM ^
Caris struggled against big time competition. As did Walton, but freshman PG in first road game against a pretty good team, I'm not super surprised. We generally didn't shoot well despite a lot of open looks, which is really what killed us on offense.
Defensively we caught some really bad switches down the stretch that got Caris in the post against a big dude. That went as you'd expect. Ejim is really good so that was a problem.
November 17th, 2013 at 7:04 PM ^
As for rebounding... we had a dReb rate of 82% opposed to their 78%.
I really don't think rebounding was a major issue. I think we failed to hit shots. Pretty simple.
November 17th, 2013 at 7:14 PM ^
What is interesting is that we had the slight edge in effective FG% for much of the game, but in the end, ISU's eFG% was 50.82% to our 47.83%. We did get cold at precisely the wrong moment, it seems.
November 17th, 2013 at 7:28 PM ^
and the team was 8-29 from behind the arc. Going on the road against good teams is hard enough, and when you shoot that badly to boot, pulling off the win is a tall order.
Regardless, this is the kind of opponent they should be playing in the non-conference. You only learn so much from playing Concordia.
November 17th, 2013 at 7:04 PM ^