10 year scoring trend vs MSU (from r/cfb)
2004 - 45 points (UM win)
2005 - 34 points (UM win)
2006 - 31 points (UM win)
2007 - 28 points (UM win)
2008 - 21 points (MSU win)
2009 - 20 points (MSU win)
2010 - 17 points (MSU win)
2011 - 14 points (MSU win)
2012 - 12 points (UM win)
2013 - 6 points (MSU win)
November 2nd, 2013 at 7:08 PM ^
Good post. We suck. Fire offensive everyone.
November 2nd, 2013 at 7:11 PM ^
Fire everyone. This isn't the 2005 MAC.
November 2nd, 2013 at 7:12 PM ^
In 2004 it was 27 in regulation, but . . . yeah it's been bad these last several years.
November 2nd, 2013 at 7:11 PM ^
6 Points. Jesus that is bad. South Florida put up how many? This staff blows.
November 2nd, 2013 at 7:14 PM ^
Borges and Funk need to go asap. If Hoke wasnt such a great recruiter, Id say his ass needs fired too. This team/staff is a fucking joke right now. 8-4/7-5 will be the norm until some changes are made.
November 2nd, 2013 at 9:04 PM ^
Interesting that with the most experienced team of Hoke's tenure the team went 11-2 with a BCS victory. That team also happened to be very strong on the lines.. There could be something there... Nah Fire them all!!!
November 2nd, 2013 at 7:11 PM ^
in poor Michigan teams actually. 2006 and 2011 were complete anomolies.
November 2nd, 2013 at 7:12 PM ^
I think we're on track for 0-3 pts next year then
November 2nd, 2013 at 7:36 PM ^
We may go negative.
November 2nd, 2013 at 8:32 PM ^
I'm ready for it
November 2nd, 2013 at 7:12 PM ^
This year the trash tornado was our offense :(
November 2nd, 2013 at 9:32 PM ^
Plus one to you, sir.
November 2nd, 2013 at 7:12 PM ^
Negative points next year.
November 2nd, 2013 at 7:13 PM ^
MSU's defense is good, but come on. Indiana put up 28, and we put up six. Does Indiana have that much more talent than we do?
November 2nd, 2013 at 7:25 PM ^
Indiana has a better OC.
November 2nd, 2013 at 7:41 PM ^
And a better O-line
November 2nd, 2013 at 7:44 PM ^
Yep. And their OL coach is Greg Frey, our old guy under RR. We may want to see if he wants to return.
November 2nd, 2013 at 7:53 PM ^
Western Michigan? They scored a TD against MSU.
November 2nd, 2013 at 7:14 PM ^
I miss Lloyd.
November 2nd, 2013 at 7:52 PM ^
Goes to you good sir. I would give my left nut for a football team like Coach Carr years back.
November 2nd, 2013 at 8:09 PM ^
Because six straight loses to OSU was fun, right?
November 2nd, 2013 at 8:25 PM ^
Carr was 6-7 against OSU, and OSU was ranked in the top 10 (if not top 5) nearly every year he faced them. That record doesn't look so bad right now.
Carr was a very good coach who missed being a truly elite coach because of his reluctance to break tendencies and take more risks. In the 2008 Capital One Bowl he finally did, and it was fantastic - and looking back it was a shame he didn't have that epiphany earlier. But even with his conservatism, he was very good overall.
What is galling about today is that Dantonio has essentially followed the Carr blueprint to a T in building his program.
November 2nd, 2013 at 8:47 PM ^
It's not disputed that Carr was great for Michigan. But the last six years of Carr's years are to Michigan what John Cooper was to Ohio State. I don't hear a tone of praise for John Cooper coming out of Columbus. Denying that is denying the truth.
November 2nd, 2013 at 9:03 PM ^
You're making it sound worse than it was. Carr didn't lose six years in a row. It was four in a row (2004-07) - and the fourth year, Henne and Hart were badly injured but insisted on suiting up. If they had been healthy it's a very different game.
Anyway, OSU's 2006 and 2007 teams that beat us went on to play for the national title. That's pretty different from Cooper's remarkable tendency of losing to Michigan teams than were 7-3 or 6-4 beforehand.
November 2nd, 2013 at 9:06 PM ^
I'm not trying to make it sound worse than it was. I'm very thankful Carr gave all he did to Michigan. That said,when looking back in sports the reality is only that which is recorded in the record book.
November 3rd, 2013 at 8:54 AM ^
No thank you to LLLLC ball.....being beaten by osu as the norm and losing to Appy St and being poinded by Oregon? Anyone remember Carr taking his team to Purdue and losing to a 3 win Purdue team that year? No thanks!!!!
November 2nd, 2013 at 11:33 PM ^
I don't know why that guy gets a pass on this board at all.
November 2nd, 2013 at 7:14 PM ^
Start the petition
November 2nd, 2013 at 7:15 PM ^
So MSU got better after our old coach stopped recruiting and our new coach led us into the worst three year slump in school history before our current coach pulled a literal 180 scheme change and has us still running a hybrid franken offense compiled from terrible plays? HUH, imagine that.
November 2nd, 2013 at 7:23 PM ^
Yeah that's it! Blame Carr!!!
November 2nd, 2013 at 7:31 PM ^
Yeah, cause that's totally the only thing I said and nothing else! Reading comprehension, WOO!!
November 2nd, 2013 at 8:41 PM ^
You did explicitly just say our downfall in the series started with Lloyd Carr. It's not a reading comprehension issue when someone just sarcastically regurgitates what you just said...
Yeah, yeah, I know said other things as well, but whatever. I acknowledge a lot of our issues have been caused by the deficiencies of these past two regimes, but I don't think our problem in this rivalry is mostly based on our own sideline; I think it's what is on MSU's sideline. Dantonio and Narduzzi may not know how to win their other big games, but they know how to beat Michigan, plain and simple. Although we and Sparty fans forget this but a small hiccup in the series, MSU currently owns us. It's almost as if they've obsessively put all their know how into stopping us. If they ever decide to put that much effort towards their other opponents, they may actually soon win a B1G title one of these years.
November 3rd, 2013 at 12:07 PM ^
He cherry picked one of my reasons and not even the correct one, lol.
I'd say our current mess is maybe 1% on Carr, 80% Rich Rod Hates OL Recruitng, and 19% coaching (and blaming Carr is more out of possibly misguided spite than anything else).
I hoped that we would be getting more talent out of young OL, but honestly, that was in vain. History shows that anything less than a Junior OL will 95 times out of 100, result in PAIN. I think Funk gets fired early next year if there is no line improvement (which I don't think will happen but you never know). Borges is the wildcard here. If the offense struggles against Nebraska, Northwestern, and Ohio, then I don't see how he survives the offseason.
November 2nd, 2013 at 7:15 PM ^
Oh. My. God.
This made me sick.
November 2nd, 2013 at 7:16 PM ^
Holy Jumpin Jesus Jehosephat. So, you mean to say that the less points we put up on the board the less likely we are to win rivalry games? You are definitely onto something my friend!
November 2nd, 2013 at 7:19 PM ^
What is the cause of this? Very interesting, and possibly not related, but I feel that it is.
What does this say about UM/MSU?
November 2nd, 2013 at 7:28 PM ^
The ball don't lie and neither do the numbers. They've won five out of six. We've become Sparty's bitch.
November 2nd, 2013 at 7:19 PM ^
I'll donate money to pay for a new O-Line coach. Borges is an enigma wrapped in a mystery inside a riddle and coated by the yellow cake of a Twinkie.
November 2nd, 2013 at 7:39 PM ^
Came from Heiko's "counterpunt":
"The next time Michigan executes a proper constraint against an opponent that over-defends a base play will be the first time."
November 2nd, 2013 at 7:39 PM ^
As a CFB fan, MSU vs. OSU is a game I am really interesting in seeing.
Fans tend to overemphasize offense, but MSU's D is real and they have a good shot.
November 2nd, 2013 at 9:01 PM ^
I'm with you. The best thing we can hope for here is for Sparty to beat Ohio, and get spanked in the Rose Bowl. Even better but unrealistic would be for us to beat Ohio and preserve out home streak and knock them from the BCS bowls. They'd probably still land in one the way we did in the Sugar because Urbz, but I could hope.
November 2nd, 2013 at 7:44 PM ^
Mark Dantonio took over in 2007. BTW.
So, yeah, he's had some success.
November 2nd, 2013 at 8:45 PM ^
He did? Amazing. So is he 5-2 against now? Thanks for telling me. Amazing knowledge.
November 2nd, 2013 at 7:58 PM ^
It is all about the offensive line.
Coach Funk is a fail.
November 2nd, 2013 at 8:02 PM ^
Interesting stat from that line: RR offenses scored 58 points against sparty in 3 games, Borges offenses have scored 32 in 3. Home/away performances aside, it's almost a 2-1 difference.
November 2nd, 2013 at 8:41 PM ^
To be fair, MSU is better defensively now than it was then. Dantonio's defenses were nothing special in his first few years.
32 points in three games is still pretty pathetic though. That's a sign something is seriously amiss.
November 2nd, 2013 at 11:26 PM ^
So Michigan wins next year in EL by the score of 2-0.
That is going to be awesome.
November 2nd, 2013 at 11:51 PM ^
We are Alabama in the early 2000s.
November 3rd, 2013 at 12:31 AM ^
We haven't won the LOS in 6 years.
November 3rd, 2013 at 12:31 AM ^
We haven't won the LOS in 6 years.