MGoBender

September 21st, 2013 at 5:54 PM ^

Sorry, man.  If you went through $1600 a month... That's $1000 of spending after your take out the $600 you claim your rent was.

So, 1k a month.  Take out $200 for miscellaneous bills - which is generous since you claim you were splitting with 6 people.

You spent $800 a month on what?  Dates aren't that expensive and quite frankly, if you think that $200 per week was "essential" then you are out of touch with reality.

Blue Mike

September 20th, 2013 at 3:00 PM ^

That's what confuses me.  We're supposed to believe players are only taking money from boosters for food and rent?  Without a full ride scholarship I managed to make it through four years at school without ever having to choose between paying rent and eating a meal.  And I didn't get any free meals from an athletic department.

Maybe the NCAA needs to put less money into compliance and more money into teaching 18-22 year olds how to live on a budget.  

hackattack13

September 20th, 2013 at 3:04 PM ^

Just playing devils advocate...did you have a job or have your parents give you some support?  Most athletes do not have the time to work part time, and a good portion come from an economiccally disadvantaged background.  I agree on the economics lessons though...probably something that should be given to nearly all students. 

hackattack13

September 20th, 2013 at 3:00 PM ^

A lot of players live further away from campus (past Yost, down by Briarwood, etc) and have multiple roommates (ie rent a house with other athletes) to be able to afford housing.  Most also, or at least they did, have a bridge card for additional food money.  Finally, I know the football team has dinners provided to them during the season.  When I worked for the university housing department they would bring us the the left over steak and good food the football team wouldnt eat. 

With all of this said, I think most would still need a job/some extra money to be able to afford eatting out, new video games, shoes, etc that many of their classmates have.  It would be hard being an athlete coming from a higher poverty area and seeing your classmates having new everything because their parents are rich...you are doing something for hte univeristy while they are just living on their parents dime. 

xtrasports790@…

September 20th, 2013 at 3:05 PM ^

This story line of paying players is growing more tired than 10 minute Dane Cook set up to another horrible joke. NCAA: Either pay them or not. PLAYERS: If you feel like you're being exploited then don't play. End of story. Anytime this topic comes up on sports talk radio it's an immediate tune out factor. Seems like nothing more than low hanging fruit for some show hosts who didn't do enough prep on any actual game.
 

Ziff72

September 20th, 2013 at 3:27 PM ^

He could just quit the team and give back all his free clothes, food, room and schooling he receives for free if he is feeling so exploited and go back to wherever he lived before which must be nice if they can't afford to send him $100 a week to spend on some food..... oh wait no one does that.   STFU.

Take your money on the side and stop your bitching no one wants to hear it.

MaizeAndBlueWahoo

September 20th, 2013 at 3:36 PM ^

Interesting thought that I just had.  Please poke holes in it if you like.  Suppose the NCAA allowed players to take the option to receive a check each year (or monthly checks) for the value of their scholarship.  Separate ones can be sent for the usual room and board that they get.  It would then be up to the player to pay that money to the school in order to stay enrolled.  The school would then have to show that the player is receiving no other financial aid.  This way the player can decide whether he wants to be Cardale Jones ("we ain't come to play SCHOOL class is pointless") and see the value of what they're getting in cold hard cash, or take the education if he wants it.  He could still be eligible to play if he just pockets the cash.

The catch: Teams must still meet APR requirements, and if they don't, they're out of the postseason.  No bowls, no BCS.  If Tennessee fans want to see their team winning championships by paying them, they'd better hope they recruit guys interested in the education.  Guys who went the education route would be free to transfer, no restrictions.  If guys just want to go get paid and get NFL training, they can go to a school that doesn't mind and just wants to win a bunch of football games.

WolvinLA2

September 20th, 2013 at 4:13 PM ^

Yeah, that's not bad in principle, though a) I don't think it would work because too many kids would take the money and be gone the next year, and b) I would hate the idea of a team with their star player who doesn't even pretend to go to school. 

I would rather the NFL just drop the age limitation on being drafted.  Arian Foster's quote about his coach driving a Lexus while he (Arian) was broke really pisses me off.  The coach is a progessional, not an amateur.  Arian Foster at Tennessee was not a professional.  He was an amateur, learning how to be a professional.  Guess what - my professors in college had more money than I did too. 

I wish there was no limit on when kids could go pro.  You think you're a pro, college-aged Arian Foster?  Then go do it.  Then you can get paid all you want.  But if it doesn't work out, there will be no one with a Lexus willing to bring you Taco Bell when you're fucking broke. 

 

MaizeAndBlueWahoo

September 20th, 2013 at 4:28 PM ^

You think you're a pro, college-aged Arian Foster? Then go do it. Then you can get paid all you want.

See, that's just it: Foster started taking money as a senior.  He could very easily have gone pro.  Nothing at all prevented this.  Why should I feel sorry for a guy who's jealous of a Lexus when he had the chance to take the money and didn't?

Besides, 18-year-olds are not ready for the NFL, and I don't think it's a good idea to lift the age restriction for the one or two that might be when it would really hurt the many that aren't but think they are.  Anyone against age restrictions on the pros should read Grantland's article on Korleone Young.  "Ha ha fuck you you're broke for life because you were a major dumbass at 18" isn't a good basis for NFL policy.  I'm not sorry at all if someone has to wait a little while to make millions of dollars.

WolvinLA2

September 20th, 2013 at 4:53 PM ^

But why should I feel bad for Korleone Young?  He's not broke because he didn't go to college, he's broke because he's a dumbass.  Lots of people don't go to college, and lots others go to college after 18.  Sure, he passed on free tuition, but that decision alone doesn't keep you from making something of yourself (nor would taking it keep him from being broke anyway). 

If an 18 year old kid thinks he can make it in the NFL, let him try.  An 18 year old kid who thinks he can make it on Broadway or in Hollywood is allowed to even though he/she probably won't, why can't football players?  But I don't actually think many kids would go right out of HS anyway - I'm doing this more for the kids who think after one or two years of college they can go, and spend the next year or two complaining about why they don't have money.  You want to give up your free tuition for a shot at the NFL?  Go for it.  Juniors can do it, why can't freshmen or sophomores?

EDIT:  This just dawned on me - you're OK with kids having the option of taking their tuition money instead of going to school (therefore not getting any education) but you're not OK with kids skipping college altogether to go pro?  In both instances, the kid is making a decision at 18 as to whether or not he wants money or a college education. 

MaizeAndBlueWahoo

September 21st, 2013 at 4:53 PM ^

First off there's a safety issue.  Nobody, and I mean nobody, is physically ready for the NFL at 18.  It would be murder.

Second, Broadway isn't a good comparison at all.  An 18-year-old who fails on Broadway can keep trying again all his life and meantime have lots of other non-prime-time options.  Fail in the NFL and you're done.  You don't get to just re-enter the draft.

Third, at least a player who takes money but plays for a college team is getting adult supervision which does not exist in the pros.

Fourth, if you read the Young article you'd see how full of bad influences Young's life was.  Myron Piggie was a convicted felon and is about to become so again and he's "helping" Young go pro, pick an agent, and all that.  Every time some college player does something like smoke weed or make a bad decision, the board is full of people saying let's not murder the kid because kids make stupid decisions, we all did when we were that age.  Are we going to simultaneously urge leniency for a kid who slips up and smokes weed, but say that it's totally OK if his life is fucked because he made a different bad decision? 

joeyb

September 20th, 2013 at 4:48 PM ^

I had a similar idea. Maybe the best option is some combination of the two.

What if they just let players "major" in the sport that they are playing. Players that want to go to the NFL only can choose to focus solely on football, while players that have little chance of getting into the NFL can "dual major". They could then take the tuition that is paid to the school and give that to the players that choose football only as a salary. Living expenses and whatnot would still be paid for by the AD.

I guess my thought is that sports an degrees really do the same thing in a sense: they prepare the person for whatever job they want to pursue. Why should an individual have to pursue a degree that won't get them a job down the road if all they want to do is play football? I think most would agree that it would be a stupid life decision to focus on football only, but I think there are several degrees that many would agree are not great life decisions as well.

Brhino

September 20th, 2013 at 4:06 PM ^

Do teams ever get into trouble for subverting salary caps by paying players under the table?  Like say Bill Ford sits down with Calvin Johnson and says "Calvin, to make the salary cap work we can only afford to pay you $5 million a year... but if you sign this contract than we'll hire you to do a series of commerials for Ford Motor Company at $20 million a pop."?

I feel like if the NCAA allowed Johnny Manziel to charge whatever the market would bear for his autograph, you'd get into arms races between boosters.  Alabama boosters are paying out 100k to each 5-star recruit that signs with them.  But then T. Boone Pickens decides he wants Oklahoma State to win a National Championship so he starts offering a million dollars each to recruits.  And then Phil Knight comes in...

...but that hasn't happened in pro sports, to the best of my knowledge.  I think passions about college football are stronger than anything in the pro world, but maybe that's just my viewpoint.

superstringer

September 20th, 2013 at 4:19 PM ^

When Kevin McHale was GM of the Timberwolves, they got reamed by the NBA for making exactly that kind of under-the-table deal with a player -- I can't recall his name, think it was a guy who used to play at UM (NTUM) (no, the other NTUM) (meaning, Terrapins).  He skirted salaray-cap by having an under-the-table promise.  NBA somehow found out and suspended McHale, etc.

So it probably does happen in the pros, but at least the home office can really bring down the weight of God, er, Stern, er, same thing.

WolvinLA2

September 20th, 2013 at 4:20 PM ^

In reference to your second paragraph:  This is exactly my fear for paying players in college football.  You say it's "OK" to get paid for your autograph or jersey or to be the face of a car dealership, and what you just described happens.  Taking it a step further, let's say Alabama booster X pays for some big recruit, and that recruit can't see the field as a frosh and is looking like a bust.  So now that booster says forget it kid, I'm not paying for a scrub.  So now you have kids (and their families) dealing with boosters to get the money they were promised or you have kids transferring schools because of money.  Neither is good. 

As for the pros, I think the reason it happens less is because they're already making a ton of money, and only a few real top players would warrant that type of corruption.  A thousand bucks to a kid with nothing is a lot bigger of a deal than more millions to someone who already makes many millions.  And like I said - there are only a handful of players worth doing that for anyway. 

Jon06

September 20th, 2013 at 4:51 PM ^

Taking it a step further, let's say Alabama booster X pays for some big recruit, and that recruit can't see the field as a frosh and is looking like a bust. So now that booster says forget it kid, I'm not paying for a scrub. So now you have kids (and their families) dealing with boosters to get the money they were promised or you have kids transferring schools because of money.

Other than knee-jerk hysteria and fear of change, what reason do you have to think that this sort of thing is more likely to go bad in an environment where such arrangements are licit, subject to regulation, and therefore can be negotiated and mediated without fear of institutional punishment (which currently includes extreme sanctions, like loss of eligibility and bizarrely legal forms of defamation)? If we compare this to the current environment, in which such deals have to happen under the table, in cash, and therefore without any kind of contractual protections, it could not be less clear what justifies your worry about an oversight regime freed of risible commitments to 'amateurism'.

French West Indian

September 20th, 2013 at 4:41 PM ^

...like the NFL and NBA is that they are not as competitive as colleges are.  The NFL basically has a monopoly and team ownership collectively bargains with the athlete labor to establish the parameters in which they both profitably operate.  The college landscape, by comparison is completely wide open, a wild west type environment. 

Although some groupings of colleges (i.e., conferences) tend to work together and agree on things, there is clearly vast differences in the modus operandi between different conferences, let alone different schools.

That is a huge part of the reason that I argue that schools will never, ever start officially paying players.  The labor implications of that in such a wide open environment would be far too difficult to tackle and open up far too many headaches.  The status quo of the default student-athlete model may seem quaint but it is also vastly more effective.

Tater

September 20th, 2013 at 4:12 PM ^

At this point, anything that happens to Tennessee is just "piling on," anyway.  Their gross ineptitude during their transition from elite to mediocre has been punishment enough for any misdeeds.  

Besides, it is becoming apparent that nobody is afraid of the NCAA anymore.  It is only a matter of time before a mass secession or a major overhaul.

superstringer

September 20th, 2013 at 4:17 PM ^

I'm sure it was an NCAA violation.  I also have no moral outrage.  Jalen took exactly this kind of money from Ed Martin, back in the day, and in the Fab Five documentary, he stood up for it.

Plus, the ESS EE SEE and the BiG tried to get players' spending cash, for EXACTLY the reason Foster discussed.  And the Indiana States of the world were outraged that they couldn't afford to compete, so they nixed it.

Thus, while I love anything that brings to light the $500 money handshakes and free hookers that the ESS EE SEE gives to recruits -- this ain't it.  This is morally entirely proper.

Jon06

September 20th, 2013 at 4:54 PM ^

They are currently being systematically underpaid thanks to cartel behavior that would be illegal if any organization other than the NCAA tried it. Why should their working conditions become worse rather than better? They are being denied what they have rightfully earned, and for no articulable reason aside from the greed of entrenched powers. This is why there are courts.

ThWard

September 20th, 2013 at 5:03 PM ^

The universities "say" that for fairly self-serving reasons, no? What do you think the free market would say? I honestly don't get your supreme deference to universities when it comes to pegging the value of a college football player (scholarship) vs a coach (typically $2 million plus)

canzior

September 20th, 2013 at 9:05 PM ^

Free market would probably look at how replaceable you are as well as how much revenue you generate. Michigan football generates money, not the players individually. Can you name 10 USC football players? How about Texas? If people who aren't fans don't know them, then they don't generate real revenue.
And coaches salaries? Seriously? Are you the guy that thinks teachers should be paid more than athletes? This is ridiculous...the day you can easily Nick Sabans and Urban Meyers is the day their salaries won't be as high. It's not your worth, it's how easy it is to replace you. Hoke has made this university serious money, Devin. Gardner has not...yet.

Wolfman

September 20th, 2013 at 9:11 PM ^

who always seemed to have a quote to fit any occasion. When asked if he thought cf coaches should be paid more than the university president and professors, he quickly retorted, "Well, that's for you to determine, but remember every time I give a test it's witnessed by 85,000 people in the classroom, and when I give finals we are watched by millions." Then he went onto say, "You know I've been told those professors don't allow anyone in their classes when giving a test. Just how do they get away with that?"

BluePants

September 21st, 2013 at 3:18 PM ^

Good thing there's no true free market in operation here. Sports are not remotely a free market. Labor contracts, league rules,roster limits, not to mention the mandatory arbitration in many contracts. College? Also not a free market. And even under the scholarship-as-stipend plan, it wouldn't be-fixed compensation rate. Hideous information asymmetries between universities and players. Roster limits. De facto ability of schools/conferences to exclude players. So... Fuck your free market. Seriously. This is a painfully stupid argument.

WolvinLA2

September 20th, 2013 at 5:04 PM ^

Exactly.  They aren't employees.  If they want to be employees, they can go play football in Canada or wait until they're 3 years out of college and go to the NFL or go get a job somewhere else.  They have choices.  They're choosing to be amateur athletes who don't get paid, because all of the ancilliary benefits are better.  If you don't like that package, pick a different one. 

But nobody does, so it must not be that bad.