Oregon "sanctions" announced
So the NCAA announced Oregon's slap on the wrist with a feather for their recruiting infractions. Most of the penalties will make next to no impact on Oregon football. What do you guys think, does the punishment fit the crime?
The penalties include:
- Public reprimand and censure.
- Three years of probation from June 26, 2013 through June 25, 2016.
- An 18-month show cause order for the former head coach. The public report contains further details.
- A one-year show-cause order for the former assistant director of operations. The public report contains further details.
- A reduction of initial football scholarships by one from the maximum allowed (25) during the 2012-13 and 2013-14 academic years (imposed by the university).
- A reduction of total football scholarships by one from the maximum allowed (85) during the 2013-14, 2014-15 and 2015-16 academic years (imposed by the university).
- A reduction of official paid football visits to from 56 to 37 for the 2012-13, 2013-14 and 2014-15 academic years.
- A reduction of permissible football evaluation days from 42 to 36 in the fall of 2013, 2014 and 2015 and permissible football evaluation days from 168 to 144 in the spring of 2014, 2015 and 2016.
- A ban on the subscription to recruiting services during the probation period.
- A disassociation of the recruiting service provider. Details of the disassociation are included in the public report (imposed by the university).
EDIT: Sorry, forgot to link to source - NCAA official announcement link here
Phil Knight's wrists stinging slightly this morning, otherwise he feels terrific.
Wrists? More like his pinky.
How will they ever recover?
"Sanctions"
fixed that in the title, thanks!
by cominig out with this "good news" before they have their campus flooded with uncommitted 5 star athletes for the Opening.
Well at least they didn't do extra stretching...
they're trying to make the punishment look severe by simply making a long list of meh punishments. Oregon probably won't even notice when the punishments are over.
- A ban on the subscription to recruiting services during the probation period.
This is hilarious. Are the Oregon coaches just going to be spending a lot of time on Oregon recruiting boards now?
Only if they are free boards. NCAA has their fingers crossed that nobody posts paywalled content on them...
I believe that's in reference to the shady Texas football recruiter who was paid to use his influence with local prospects to get them to commit to Oregon.
Is this their shining moment? Or did it already happen long ago?
Blatant adademic fraud completely undermines the pretense the NCAA maintains of the "student-athlete" but it essentially said "nothing to see here, move along."
Actually I believe their response was a bit closer to, "Well, there is something fishy going on, no doubt, but danged if they ain't out of our jurisdiction!"
Julius Peppers was found to be playing at UNC while sporting a rock solid BOOSTED GPA of 1.7 with the fraud AAS class, and we get the old " *shrugs* it's out of our hands" statement...
So does this mean we are all on Team O'Bannon now?
Nope
We weren't already?
Serious question. I guess maybe I was wrong, or maybe I'm misinterpreting what you're saying since my daughter is running around the house screaming My Little Pony songs right now, but I had assumed that out of everyone who wasn't employed by the NCAA, it was like 90-10 in favor of O'Bannon devastating the CBAA, er, NCAA. No?
U O E N O
Meh. Not a big punishment IMO. Whatever, I really wasn't hoping for Oregon to get hammered because I simply don't care if they're good or not.
maybe a .gif
At the halftime of the championship game? A huge public shaming for everyone involved would be terrific tv, prolly better than the game.
A reduction of 1 schollarship. Wow. That's 1.17% of the entire team.
The only thing this will do is prevent the team's best walk-on from getting a scholarship in those years. it's immensely unlikely this will affect their starting lineup in any way shape or form
Wow, how are they ever going to recover from this?
Seriously, the NCAA has no teeth. I would not be surprised if the power conferences break away from the NCAA in the next 5-10 years to just do their own thing.
While a slap, there are some things that are going to hurt recruiting and coaching. Reduction of official visits, reduction of days supervising the team, etc. Those are going to make them wince, at least.
They got their biggest punishment when the pending sanctions scared Kelly off to the NFL. Recruiting has dropped off slightly in recent years as well, from the #9 class in 2011, to #16 to #22. While it's still early, they're at #53 now. That tells me that recruits have been wary and they may have already missed out on many who are unlikely to re-consider even though these penalties aren't terribly harsh. I think 3 years from now we'll be seeing the impact of this dropping Oregon to no better than 7 or 8 wins. For a team that was considered a title contender prior to the Stanford game last year, that's quite a drop.
Thank you Nostradamus.
Honestly I don't think these sanctions do much of anything to Oregon. Maybe it will hurt them a little but I don't see it dropping them a peg. IMO the only thing that will do that is the resurgence of dormant programs like ASU, Zona, Washington State. They all have "good " coaches that have made big splashes at other stops in their careers (graham may not count but I think he's a decent coach).
Chip Kelly got a show cause (just like Tressel). He literally could not have remained as Oregon's head coach next year.
Would be nice if people contrasted this with Carroll who was completely cleared of any and all wrong doing in the NCAA's decision, took a serious pay raise to go back to the NFL, and saw his program bombed because one guy took money and USC practices had been open to the public (just like they were before Carroll got there). But, you know, "high profile athletes require high profile compliance" (to quote Paul Dee, the Miami AD when their roster was being bankrolled by Nevin Shapiro). I guess only SC has any high profile athletes?
Good points, although I wonder if Chip Kelly had stayed at Oregon - would the punishment have been the same? Seems to me like this is the NCAA taking an opportunity to pretend they have some bite, "Oh look we chased off one of the biggest names in coaching because he didn't live up to our standards," when in reality if Chip had wanted to stay the NCAA wouldn't have forced him out. Don't know, just speculation, but when it comes to the NCAA I assume the worst.
to make Kelly's show-cause go into effect when he's actually looking for a job. Maybe make it take effect when he's no longer with the Eagles (for whatever reason) or something similar.
My 5 least favorite sports administrators:
1. Gary Bettman
2. Gary Bettman
3. Mark Emmert
4. Mark Emmert
5. David Stern
1 of your Mark Emmerts, but otherwise a great list.
The NCAA is a hypocritical paper tiger of epic proportions.
Bettman is by far the worst of them all, but thats what happens when you hire an idiot banker from Wall Street who had LITERALLY no experience with hockey...frankly, im surprised the entire league didn't completely collapse after his hiring (granted the lock-out season almost did them in)
Agree. And I'd add about ten more spots (all of which could be filled with FIFA administrators AFAIAC).
The hammer has been dropped. All you cheating schools better tighten up.
Unforetunately, it was one of these hammers...
The NCAA has become a joke. USC and Penn State must be losing their minds about now.
but USC should be totally pissed off you guys. They got all sorts of sanctions because of the act of one guy (Reggie Bush) but
- Oregon gets the daindiest slap on the wrist for their coaches committing violations
- UNC straight up ran an acdemic fraud scandal and got slapped on the wrist
- Ohio State had multiple players selling stuff for tats and got slapped on the wrist
- Miami's allegations are insane and the NCAA cannot do anything about it
If I was a USC fan, I'd be leading the way in the mob to overthrow the NCAA
I'd say Michigan fans have a right to be pretty peeved, also.
Does anybody know when Michigan's probationary period ends? I think that the ruling came down in November 2010 so I'm assuming that it'll be done in November 2013. Of course, Michigan "self imposed" two years so maybe the clock started ticking a little earlier.
Don't worry. Math can be hard.
Signed. Douchey McDoucherson
2010+2=2012 we are off probation
sanctions for RR's stretching snafu was 3 years probation, not 2. we self-imposed two, the NCAA added an additional year. source link: click here
Math's not so hard. Michigan self imposed two years but was hit with three by the NCAA. If Michigan got "credit for time served", it's possible that the probation period would end before this November.....but I haven't seen that posted anywhere.
The only thing I could see maybe, maybe having an effect is the reduction in paid official visits.
The NCAA should have limited to two unique uniforms (one home and one away) for the entire 2013 season.
I'm convinced this actually would have been a harsher punishment than what they just received.
Is the official paid visits and the evaluation days. I'm not sure if official paid visits means Oregon coaches visiting recruits or recruits visiting Oregon, if the latter, that's a huge way Oregon gets talent to come to them. That's actually not a bad sanction.
Now the scholarship reductions...
That's a pretty big reduction in official visits, likely significant for Oregon. I wouldn't dismiss the show cause order angainst Kelly either. My guess is that Oregon knew that was coming and that's why he left. Losing their coach is more than a very light slap on the wrist.