Noise, Piped-In And Otherwise Comment Count

Brian

Apparently it's ND Nation week on MGoBlog. Eh.

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FIGHT

This is, without question, a first:

I was there too, with a UM friend of mine.  He was at the UM game against WMU the weekend before, and he said the music was not played that weekend. In fact, he said he's never heard music played at any Michigan home game. Yesterday was his first ND/Michigan game in the Big House. Maybe it's just something they do for us. Wouldn't surprise me.

We both thought it was bulls---. With those new press box/fan suite things they've built at the top of the stadium, that place got really loud. The Eminem songs only made it worse.

I guess that's why they call it home field advantage.

Leaving aside this guy's probably-fictional Michigan friend who went to the Western game and didn't notice the RAWK MUSIC, this is an opposing fan complaining about the noise level in the stadium. Even if this is just more complaining to complain, it's still a 180 from the usual laughter at the 110,000 quietest people in America or whatever. As a group of people naturally inclined to laugh at all things Michigan, statements like this are as close to proof as you're ever going to get about the effect of the new boxes:

I thought the place seemed so much more intimidating
by BigEND (2009-09-13 21:09:28)


with the skyboxes there. It was louder and felt like you were really in a "big house". I still can't understand why so many people complained when the plan was originally announced. That stadium will be 10 times better with those boxes finished.

You and me both, BigEND. Meanwhile, email from people who would know confirms the third-party impressions:

Brian -

I attended the WMU game with siblings who are recent graduates and former band members. The word they got from contacts still in the band is that the on-the-field noise is significantly louder, even if it doesn't seem so to the layman sitting in the 67th row.

Without having any sort of technical knowledge, my guess is that the new structures are aiming sound back into the bowl. Clearly not all of it, but enough to make it louder the deeper you are inside. (That's what she said?)

So, it might not seem much louder to us, but clearly LOUDER FIELD > LOUDER STANDS from a competitive standpoint. In other words, my screaming is more directly helping Brandon Graham to murderfy Jimmah this weekend.

Go Blue!

And this was just for Western. The initial take, then, appears to be that the optimistic projections this blog's scoffed at more than once are basically accurate. The luxury boxes are a huge aid to the noise on the field to the point where complaint-inclined opposing fans focus on it. This is a major win.

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So, then, the other matter at hand. Last week everyone had a little conniption fit and I posted a poll about whether piped-in music should be slain out of hand or not. The results:

5: I love it.
17% (685 votes)
4: It's better than nothing
26% (1067 votes)
3: It's the same as nothing
14% (573 votes)
2: It's worse than nothing
17% (699 votes)
1: It is the devil.
26% (1090 votes)
Total votes: 4114

Of the 75% who care, respondents were evenly split between pro-and-con, but the con side was more strongly opposed. This was shocking to me, but I guess this blog's readership skews away from bluehairs. I also have one main explanation: it's the band's fault. Multiple band members have sent in emails about the shift in the MMB's focus over the last ten or so years, and 90% are along these lines:

Brian,

I was in the band for the last few years of Professor Nix's turn at the helm, from 2003-2007*, and I would say that there was plenty of "blame" to spread around for the quieter band. During my years, we frowned upon bands like Notre Dame's that would sacrifice precision for loudness. I believe most of us felt this way, and while it's reasonable to say this mentality started at the top, which would mean Professor Haithcock, I think Professor Nix and his appreciation for the newer, drum corp influenced style of a marching ensemble was the biggest factor. And now, with Director Boerma, who also has strong drum corp ties, I'm sure that influence is just as strong or stronger. But, Haithcock did hire them, so we can just blame him.

Steve

I've got other emails claiming Nix was a huge proponent of loud and that Haithcock asked about making the band louder and etc etc etc and I don't care about who is at fault for what, all I know is that the main reason that poll above came out the way it did is because the band is not doing its job. Saturday I could barely make out the Victors on any of Michigan's touchdowns. About the only thing I heard at halftime was the drum corps. I've gotten plenty of complaints from kids in the student section who say they can barely hear the band and it's 30 rows away from them.

This does not have to be the case. I vividly remember going down to Auburn last year. I sat in the upper deck on the 40; the LSU band was stuck in the corner of the opposite endzone, and I could hear them loud and clear. They were blasting it. Auburn's band was also louder than the MMB. Click the link and see where we were, man… we were in orbit around a football game.

And then there's the SWAC:

That's Southern University making a strong argument for Michigan scheduling a SWAC school, any SWAC school, the next time it reaches into the I-AA ranks for an opponent.

What's the point of a marching band? To be audible outside in a stadium of 110,000. If you want musicality, there are a dozen other bands on campus you can join. Scott Boerma and his superiors are completely missing the point, and if the band is being marginalized on gameday it is entirely their fault. Personally, I hate it. I want the band to be awesome and wish piped-in music would die a fiery death. But when "Lose Yourself" gets vastly more reaction than anything you do and large sections of the stadium can't hear you at all, that's on you. What the hell is the point of a piccolo when the only people who can hear it are the ones playing it? Have you ever thought about the poor schmucks in section 16 who have never once heard The Victors after a touchdown? Think of the children, and do this:

On the band:  I used to play clarinet in the Ann Arbor Huron marching band.  (Why?  Beats me.  I should have learned how to play guitar like Slash instead.)  Clarinet, while fine inside, is a waste of time outside.  It cannot be heard.  Ditto the flute and the piccolo. 

What the MMB needs to do is (1) get rid of all the clarinets, flutes and piccolos, and (2) add 150-200 more trumpets and trombones.  Made the band bigger, and sacrifice a measure of technical proficiency (which 98% of the crowd wouldn't notice) in exchange for a big ol' Wall of Sound.

Regards,

Brandt Goldstein

NYC

Or something. Your prime directive should be loud; if it's not no one can help you fight your slide into irrelevance.

PS: and dammit the hockey band director should dance, you communists.

Comments

STW P. Brabbs

September 17th, 2009 at 10:27 AM ^

I'm embarassed for the usage of "band fag," and I've never been in a damn band. I don't think most of us set out to crucify the band, but every time this topic has come up, there are a bunch of band members who respond to "play louder" with effete comments relating to musicality, not caring whether others can hear, etc. This incites the mob. Your comment, on the other hand, makes perfect sense and dispels the notion that the band is a bunch of would-be symphony orchestra artists who a fuck do not give if anyone past 30 feet can hear them. I like the band, I want to hear the band (you bastards certainly practiced loud enough AT 8:00 ON SATURDAY MORNING WHEN I LIVED NEAR ELBEL), I respect the tremendous amount of work the band does, and I think you should shake those current band members who come on a message board and spread the idea that they don't care what the fans hear or don't hear. Like it or not, the idiot loons who spout off on blogs don't represent anything, but when you identify yourself as part of an organization, you do. So current band members - have a fucking care and don't respond with something stupid when the internet bullies say mean things.

kwolverine10

September 17th, 2009 at 9:28 PM ^

that the commenting on this post has become more of a pissing match and less of a place for helpful suggestion. It's who's right, who's wrong, instead of how can we make things better. There have been some great points made (and some not so great points) but in the end, the band needs to produce more sound, and will! Have confidence that the band is willing to be loud and will work to do so. However, the majority of students are still going to have difficulty hearing them because they are sitting in front of the student section; this is not something that can be changed by the band alone! If you want the band to be moved, then send your much needed input to the Athletic Dept.! Tell them that the band needs to be in the endzone so 3/4 of the stadium will be played to, instead of just 1/8. Secondly, while micing would help, it is against BigTen Conference rules (hence why the 'loud' Auburn, LSU, Florida bands are at an advantage to be heard, and ours is not). So, we can keep going in circles of bickering, leading to steadily more rude and disrespectful comments toward the fans and the band, or we can be constructive. It is not constructive to tell the band they are worthless, nor is it constructive to tell the fans and non-bandos that they don't know music. I agree that this thread should die a fiery death, and we should start anew, deciding how to make things better together, rather than fighting against each other. We're Michigan students and alumni, for god's sake! Who better than us to compile our intelligence and solve a problem. No one. Period. Paragraph.

umeuph97

September 24th, 2009 at 1:25 AM ^

And read the posts from other people who know what they're talking about. It is all about where you are hearing the band from. If you sit behind the group, you won't hear them. I don't care how loud they play or what the instrumentation is. Doesn't matter! Sit across from them, and then see if you can hear. I do, and I can!

umeuph97

September 24th, 2009 at 1:19 AM ^

Do you know anyone in the band currently? It's pretty dangerous to assume that Boerma is telling his students to come here and flame. Also, he's NOT saying that MMB should become a artsy drum corp. Take a second and educate yourself on what Boerma did before coming to the MMB. Listen to what he wrote for drum corp. It's not "artsy". And for the record, from one MMB alum to another, please don't pull out the "in my day we had to do entries uphill, barefoot blah blah blah." They work just as hard as we did, and are the same kids of people as when we did it.

jeffgoblue

September 18th, 2009 at 3:45 AM ^

Band alum from '89-'92 here. Can't speak to how loud the band actually plays now vs then, but I'm sure they're trying. In my era, we were in a similar location, but maybe further upfield -- adjacent to the students rather than among them. But still not pointing at them. In '95, the band was moved over to the eastern side, and it was a big improvement. The students could hear the band, and you could hear the band more on TV b/c they were facing the press box. They were also close to the opponents bench, which provided a nice disruption. Unfortunately, they were moved back onto the western side into the student section a few years ago. It's my understanding that one of the reasons the band was moved is that spectators on the eastern side behind the band complained about their presence there, i.e. the band stood up too much, and the spectators couldn't see (BOO-FRICKING-HOO). Students stand most of the game, so they wouldn't mind the band, so the thinking went. But the result is that the band is packed in tightly, pointing away from the students. Not good. So what's the solution? Have the band wrapped around the northeast corner of the stadium, on field bleachers rather than in the stands. In this case, the band would be spread out more, which would improve the sound dispersion -- they will sound louder if they are spread out wide. The band would be facing the students and the press box side of the field. Being adjacent to and possibly behind the visitors bench, they would be disruptive to the opposing team. And with the band aimed more towards the press box, the Victors would be heard more on TV as well. Currently, visiting bands are louder both at the stadium and on TV because they face west and are not in the stands, thus making my point for me. BTW, this isn't a new problem. The first game I ever attended was against MSU in 1981. I was sitting in the student section (quite exciting for a 4th grader). I couldn't hear jack shit from the MMB, b/c they were sitting where they were a decade later when I was in the group -- on the western side, pointing away from the students and home sideline. The MSU band was in the SE corner, spread out, and pointing towards us; I could hear them loud and clear. Poor band location -- a Michigan Tradition!

dmblue

September 18th, 2009 at 2:32 PM ^

LOLOLOLOLOL THIS THREAD I promise the band is playing as loud as they can...if you are not aware, our stadium is HUGE. I'd love to see you try to fill it up with sound when it's empty.