Spring Roster Overanalysis 2013
I can't believe no entry in this series has previously embedded this youtube video. I endeavor to correct this oversight now:
In this spirit, we proceed.
THING: Boy, is it depressing to delete Denard Robinson from your spreadsheet here. On the other hand, not deleting Taylor Lewan.
| QUARTERBACK | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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| Player | 2009 | 2010 | 2011 | 2012 | Spring 2013 | 09 to 10 | 10 to 11 | 11 to 12 | 12 to 13 | ||||||||||||||||||||
| Devin Gardner | -- | 210 | 205 | 206 | 210 | -- | -5 | 1 | 4 | ||||||||||||||||||||
| Russell Bellomy | -- | -- | 189 | 201 | 213 | -- | -- | 12 | 12 | ||||||||||||||||||||
| Running Back | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Player | 2009 | 2010 | 2011 | 2012 | Spring 2013 | 09 to 10 | 10 to 11 | 11 to 12 | 12 to 13 | ||||||||||||||||||||
| Fitzgerald Toussaint | 185 | 200 | 195 | 203 | 200 | 15 | -5 | 8 | -3 | ||||||||||||||||||||
| Thomas Rawls | -- | -- | 219 | 217 | 217 | -- | -- | -2 | 0 | ||||||||||||||||||||
| Justice Hayes | -- | -- | 176 | 183 | 190 | -- | -- | 7 | 7 | ||||||||||||||||||||
| Dennis Norfleet | -- | -- | -- | 170 | 168 | -- | -- | -- | -2 | ||||||||||||||||||||
| Drake Johnson | -- | -- | -- | 203 | 212 | -- | -- | -- | 9 | ||||||||||||||||||||
| Sione Houma | -- | -- | -- | 221 | 229 | -- | -- | -- | 8 | ||||||||||||||||||||
| WIDE RECEIVER | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Player | 2009 | 2010 | 2011 | 2012 | Spring 2013 | 09 to 10 | 10 to 11 | 11 to 12 | 12 to 13 | ||||||||||||||||||||
| Jeremy Gallon | 165 | 180 | 185 | 186 | 187 | 15 | 5 | 1 | 1 | ||||||||||||||||||||
| Drew Dileo | -- | 172 | 172 | 180 | 177 | -- | 0 | 8 | -3 | ||||||||||||||||||||
| Amarah Darboh | -- | -- | -- | 218 | 213 | -- | -- | -- | -5 | ||||||||||||||||||||
| Jehu Chesson | -- | -- | -- | 183 | 193 | -- | -- | -- | 10 | ||||||||||||||||||||
| TIGHT END | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Player | 2009 | 2010 | 2011 | 2012 | Spring 2013 | 09 to 10 | 10 to 11 | 11 to 12 | 12 to 13 | ||||||||||||||||||||
| Jordan Paskortz | -- | -- | 246 | ? | 251 | -- | -- | ? | 5 | ||||||||||||||||||||
| AJ Williams | -- | -- | -- | 282 | 265 | -- | -- | -- | -17 | ||||||||||||||||||||
| Devin Funchess | -- | -- | -- | 225 | 228 | -- | -- | -- | 3 | ||||||||||||||||||||
| Jake Butt | -- | -- | -- | -- | 231 | -- | -- | -- | 0 | ||||||||||||||||||||
| OFFENSIVE LINE | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Player | 2009 | 2010 | 2011 | 2012 | Spring 2013 | 09 to 10 | 10 to 11 | 11 to 12 | 12 to 13 | ||||||||||||||||||||
| Michael Schofield | 268 | 293 | 299 | 302 | 303 | 25 | 6 | 3 | 1 | ||||||||||||||||||||
| Taylor Lewan | 268 | 294 | 302 | 308 | 308 | 26 | 8 | 6 | 0 | ||||||||||||||||||||
| Chris Bryant | -- | -- | 341 | 320 | 325 | -- | -- | -21 | 5 | ||||||||||||||||||||
| Jack Miller | -- | -- | 263 | 287 | 291 | -- | -- | 24 | 4 | ||||||||||||||||||||
| Blake Bars | -- | -- | -- | 282 | 284 | -- | -- | -- | 2 | ||||||||||||||||||||
| Ben Braden | -- | -- | -- | 299 | 314 | -- | -- | -- | 15 | ||||||||||||||||||||
| Kyle Kalis | -- | -- | -- | 292 | 297 | -- | -- | -- | 5 | ||||||||||||||||||||
| Erik Magnuson | -- | -- | -- | 290 | 286 | -- | -- | -- | -4 | ||||||||||||||||||||
| Kyle Bosch | -- | -- | -- | -- | 307 | -- | -- | -- | -- | ||||||||||||||||||||
| Logan Tuley-Tillman | -- | -- | -- | -- | 285 | -- | -- | -- | -- | ||||||||||||||||||||
| DEFENSIVE LINE | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Player | 2009 | 2010 | 2011 | 2012 | Spring 2013 | 09 to 10 | 10 to 11 | 11 to 12 | 12 to 13 | ||||||||||||||||||||
| Quinton Washington | 325 | 315 | 302 | 299 | 305 | -10 | -13 | -3 | 6 | ||||||||||||||||||||
| Jibreel Black | -- | 265 | 260 | 276 | 276 | N/A | -5 | 16 | 0 | ||||||||||||||||||||
| Richard Ash | -- | 320 | 301 | 301 | 316 | N/A | -19 | 0 | 15 | ||||||||||||||||||||
| Frank Clark | -- | -- | 228 | 260 | 277 | -- | -- | 32 | 17 | ||||||||||||||||||||
| Keith Heitzman | -- | -- | 251 | ? | 277 | -- | -- | ? | 26 | ||||||||||||||||||||
| Brennen Beyer | -- | -- | 225 | 252 | 254 | -- | -- | 27 | 2 | ||||||||||||||||||||
| Matt Godin | -- | -- | -- | 270 | 277 | -- | -- | -- | 7 | ||||||||||||||||||||
| Willie Henry | -- | -- | -- | 302 | 306 | -- | -- | -- | 4 | ||||||||||||||||||||
| Ondre Pipkins | -- | -- | -- | 337 | 308 | -- | -- | -- | -29 | ||||||||||||||||||||
| Tom Strobel | -- | -- | -- | 250 | 262 | -- | -- | -- | 12 | ||||||||||||||||||||
| Chris Wormley | -- | -- | -- | 268 | 290 | -- | -- | -- | 22 | ||||||||||||||||||||
| Mario Ojemudia | -- | -- | -- | 223 | 244 | -- | -- | -- | 21 | ||||||||||||||||||||
| Taco Charlton | -- | -- | -- | -- | 265 | -- | -- | -- | N/A | ||||||||||||||||||||
| LINEBACKER | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Player | 2009 | 2010 | 2011 | 2012 | Spring 2013 | 09 to 10 | 10 to 11 | 11 to 12 | 12 to 13 | ||||||||||||||||||||
| Cameron Gordon | 208 | 207 | 222 | 235 | 233 | -1 | 15 | 13 | -2 | ||||||||||||||||||||
| Mike Jones | 203 | 208 | 224 | ? | 223 | 5 | 16 | ? | -1 | ||||||||||||||||||||
| Jake Ryan | -- | 225 | 230 | 242 | 241 | N/A | 5 | 12 | -1 | ||||||||||||||||||||
| Antonio Poole | -- | -- | 212 | ? | 218 | -- | -- | ? | 6 | ||||||||||||||||||||
| Desmond Morgan | -- | -- | 220 | 230 | 227 | -- | -- | 10 | -3 | ||||||||||||||||||||
| Royce Jenkins-Stone | -- | -- | -- | 206 | 215 | -- | -- | -- | 9 | ||||||||||||||||||||
| James Ross | -- | -- | -- | 225 | 223 | -- | -- | -- | -2 | ||||||||||||||||||||
| Kaleb Ringer | -- | -- | -- | 225 | 236 | -- | -- | -- | 11 | ||||||||||||||||||||
| Joe Bolden | -- | -- | -- | 230 | 222 | -- | -- | -- | -8 | ||||||||||||||||||||
| CORNERBACK | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Player | 2009 | 2010 | 2011 | 2012 | Spring 2013 | 09 to 10 | 10 to 11 | 11 to 12 | 12 to 13 | ||||||||||||||||||||
| Courtney Avery | -- | 174 | 173 | 173 | 174 | -- | -1 | 0 | 1 | ||||||||||||||||||||
| Raymon Taylor | -- | -- | 169 | 183 | 186 | -- | -- | 14 | 3 | ||||||||||||||||||||
| Delonte Hollowell | -- | -- | 164 | 177 | 175 | -- | -- | 13 | -2 | ||||||||||||||||||||
| Blake Countess | -- | -- | 176 | 182 | 181 | -- | -- | 6 | -1 | ||||||||||||||||||||
| Terry Richardson | -- | -- | -- | 154 | 162 | -- | -- | -- | 8 | ||||||||||||||||||||
| Ross Douglas | -- | -- | -- | -- | 176 | -- | -- | -- | 0 | ||||||||||||||||||||
| SAFETY | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Player | 2009 | 2010 | 2011 | 2012 | Spring 2013 | 09 to 10 | 10 to 11 | 11 to 12 | 12 to 13 | ||||||||||||||||||||
| Josh Furman | -- | 208 | 208 | 204 | 197 | -- | 0 | -4 | -7 | ||||||||||||||||||||
| Marvin Robinson | -- | 203 | 200 | 201 | 202 | -- | -3 | 1 | 1 | ||||||||||||||||||||
| Thomas Gordon | 205 | 205 | 208 | 209 | 208 | 0 | 3 | 1 | -1 | ||||||||||||||||||||
| Jarrod Wilson | -- | -- | -- | 190 | 196 | -- | -- | -- | 6 | ||||||||||||||||||||
| Jeremy Clark | -- | -- | -- | 191 | 201 | -- | -- | -- | 10 | ||||||||||||||||||||
| Allen Gant | -- | -- | -- | 196 | 203 | -- | -- | -- | 7 | ||||||||||||||||||||
| Dymonte Thomas | -- | -- | -- | -- | 187 | -- | -- | -- | 0 | ||||||||||||||||||||
ITEMS OF INTEREST
- Remember, all weight gain or loss is good.
- Ondre Pipkins dumped 29 pounds over the course of a few months, which should bode well for his playing time. Competing at the three-tech? Yeah, possible.
- Elsewhere on the defensive line it's mostly BEEFCAKE, with Chris Wormley up to a hello-three-tech 290, Frank Clark up to 277, Mario Ojemudia up to 244, and Keith Heitzman scaling up to 277 after not having a spring weight last year.
- Guys who did not move significantly are Quinton Washington (after three years of dropping, a few added pounds at 300 are probably good), Jibreel Black (probably not so good if he is a 276-pound DT), and Brennen Beyer (possibly good or bad or something). Surely there will be better options than a 276-pound three tech; I bet Black moves to SDE to compete with Heitzman. Meanwhile, Clark is now listed at exactly the same weight as those guys, blowing past classmate and WDE competitor Beyer. Most have pegged that as a platoon in which Beyer executes the run defense and Clark gets to the QB; could Clark take over the role full-time? He'll have to be a lot more responsible.
- If Beyer can't continue adding weight a move back to SAM might make sense. This has been your Brian Wonders About Moving Someone To SAM moment.
- Taco Charlton entering at 265 means he has a shot to blow past everyone at WDE as well. Likely? No, but despite the apparent depth at that position don't put him in the autoredshirt category.
- The tight ends are not exactly hulking up. It makes sense that AJ Williams would shed some weight as he transitions back from offensive line to TE, and 265 is a reasonable weight for an in-line blocking TE. Devin Funchess adding three pounds is not ideal unless he's really just a wide receiver with a little blocking to do. Jake Butt showing up at 231 isn't a huge surprise—he weighed in at exactly that number for the Army game—but may indicate he, too, is not going to be much use as a blocker in year one. Redshirt? Probably not since there are no other scholarship TEs on the roster and Kwiatkowski graduated.
- Jehu Chesson and Amarah Darboh are meeting in the middle. For non-lineman bodies ten pounds is a relatively big change. See also beanpole safety Jeremy Clark.
- Dennis Norfleet losing two pounds isn't a huge surprise since guys that size usually stay exactly that size.
- Relatively flat OL numbers are generally good news since they indicate radical overhauls are not necessary for player X to see the field. See Lewan and Schofield above. Chris Bryant is a clear exception since 325 is tough to play at and his injury makes it difficult for him to do a lot of the things Michigan would like him to. Meanwhile, size concerns about Jack Miller are probably minor. 291 is well within plausible.
- I'd be surprised if Blake Bars can overtake Ben Braden, who is 30 pounds heavier. Magnuson and Bars going nowhere in year one is a slight concern.
- Chattering about Kyle Bosch being ready to play this fall is reinforced by his 307 pounds. Logan Tuley-Tillman at 285 brings this whole exercise into question since that almost has to be fiction. The other option is that LTT is going to be a rich man when he shares his diet secrets. If he really is 285, that would be very good news since his star rose and fell based on his weight when he was a recruit. He seemed like a boom or bust type because of that. I'll ask Ace, who saw him in person with some frequency, to evaluate the plausibility of that weight after the spring game.
- James Ross, man, you're supposed to get bigger. Also you, Joe Bolden. All linebackers not named Ringer have been on a diet.
shouldn't kalis be over 300 by now? is that a concern?
or 1% less. So yes, you should be totally concerned. But if he drank an extra glass or 2 of water he'd be exactly 300lbs.
No. First of all, a lineman doesnt have to be over 300 pounds to be affective. Also, he's a Freshman in college. It takes time for these guys to develop their bodies properly.
I think one of the biggest drawbacks in this era of relentless recruiting following is that fans get unreaslistic expectations of players. Like, since Kalis was a five star, he must be ready to contribute immediatly and his body must be pro-ready immediatly
but can he be effective at that weight?
It's guard, 300 is just fine. One of the best in the country played last season at 285. He will be ok.
As RS freshman, they might be losing a lot of weight due to the greater demands of college program cardio workouts and then putting it back on with the weightlifting. We would really need to see the incremental weight gains on a more consistent basis than once every spring and fall, especially considerinhg that the coaches probably have a significant incentive to fudge the numbers a bit. If he is still 297 come next year then maybe that would be a concern, but plenty of really good Olinemen can and do play at that weight. Be more concerned if the coaches are wondering about playing a true freshman or walkon over him.
So if all weight gain or loss is good, then is no change bad? Cause I'm really not ready for Lewan to all of a sudden be terrible because his weight is exactly the same.
I propose a friendly amendment:
RESOLVED: All weight dynamism or stasis shall henceforth be considered good.
what the hell is up with Magnusson? -4? c'mon son!
Slightly OT, but in that YouTube clip, why has everything on-screen been reversed?
Keeps the copyright demons at bay.
I understand the freshmen OLs dropping a small child of fat, adding a small child of muscle and coming out around even 9 months after getting on campus.
Nevertheless....the already lean linebackers not adding weight is pretty weird.
I wonder if the Richard Ash weight gain is a good thing.
I saw LTT this morning. The weight loss is legit.
Excellent...I actually thought that he switched weights with Bosch
The drastic change between weightlifting and eating during high school and college is tremendous. I remember thinking I was pretty hardcore in high school only to find out that I was a chump when I got to college. And I didn't even play a college sport! Its pretty amazing to see what the freshman do to their bodies in just 1 year's time.
Wellman is slimming these boys down. IIRC, Demens dropped 6 lbs between his Sr. and Jr. season.
Is that Wormley and Henry got an inch shorter. (What do we do to them so they shrink and get better leverage on the inside??)
HT: Kyle Meinke-
http://annarbor.com/mi/wolverines/2013/03/ondre_pipkins_biggest_loser_f…
I think it also listed Dileo at 5'10 which is definitely not true. Somewhere around 5'6-5'8.
He looks to be a little over 5' 9" Get a grip... 5' 6" is ridiculous. Have you ever even met the guy? Clearly not.
1. In my opinion, Beyer possibly going to SAM would basically be resigning him to the bench. I just don't see the necessary athleticism, especially given the recent LB hauls. If he gets pulled for passing downs as an end as is, I can't imagine playing in space would go much better.
Agreed and I don't really understand the negative comment about him not gaining weight. Yes, ideally a guy gains weight but Beyer was decent against the run, less so rushing the QB. So do we really want him heavier? I think I want him around the same weight, shedding some fast and gaining a bit of muscle. That could make him more athletic and more of a factor, no? Unless people were anticipating a move to SDE?
We've heard hints at Ryan and Gordon possibly seeing the field at the same time this year, if that happened we'd be extremely thin at SAM, while this year we have 4 guys at WDE who could all play, so I think if Beyer moved back to SAM he'd still see the field plenty.
The impression that I had was that if Ryan and Gordon were both going to play, Ryan would probably move down to WDE on passing downs. If so, then moving Beyer to SAM doesn't really help much. If one of Ryan or Gordon gets tired or hurt and Beyer were going to play, they would probably just leave Beyer at WDE and put either of Ryan/Gordon at SAM. So I am not sure moving him helps depth really. And then you are moving him to a position with two playmakers so he his even less chance of playing. Again, I am probably missing something here.
Hoke and Mattison have both mentioned their preference of a 4-3 under, so I would think they'd mostly like to keep it at a true rush WDE and Jake behind/next to. Obvious/short running downs may differ, of course.
Then Ryan is playing the entire game--Gordon would be subbed out by Bolden, Morgan, or Ross. That means no rest which is not good. Beyer could back him up on 1st or second downs--the more likely running plays--and that would allow Ryan to play a lot and always be on the field on third down. I don't have any knowledge on the switch or playing both but if they did play both as starters then they need someone to rest Ryan.
From the press conference it was mentioned that Cam and Jake would see time on the field together, and when that happened Jake would be at WDE and Cam at SLB. It was not mentioned that both would start, just that there would be occasions where both would be on the field at the same time.
typically lists go longer than just 1.
March 18th, 2013 at 10:12 PM ^
Indeed they do - I was sitting on a plane and stewardesses don't understand the importance of spring roster weight analysis.
Here's my number 2:
2. Another factor to consider in managing expectations and gleaning information from this is that it's only been a few short months since the season ended, but its been much longer since the 2012 weights were posted (assuming this is drawn from the fall roster and nothing was updated for the bowl game). So, the change might actually be greater (or less) than what's showing up given that players sometimes lose weight through the grind of the season. So while the linebacker lack of changes might be concerning, maybe they've already put back 5-6 pounds they lost during the season, and the bigger gains will come this summer.
Think I had something else to say but have since forgotten.
I think Bars and Magnuson aren't in a bad place with their weight. The rougly 285 they're at right now is likely way different weight than the 285 they arrived at. They have plenty of time to gain rest of the 20 pounds they'll graduate with, but I suspect they'll get the first 10 by the end of this year.
How does Joe Bolden drop 8 pounds? I don't see any way to spin that as good.
Didn't he cut his flow? there's a few lbs. Also, he lost the 8 lbs to mess with people on the internet, as this fall he will now gain 12 lbs (net change of 4) so that we can all be excited with how much weight he gained over the summer.
/s
But really, the fall playing weights matter more than the spring.
Damned Delilah.
It's easy to spin that as good. Losing weight will lessen his risk for type 2 diabetes, cardiovascular disease, and lessen the wear on his knees leading to a decreased risk of osteoarthritis later in life. What's not good about that?
I am not sure where Brian is getting his numbers, but according to Mgoblue Bolden was 223 last season
| 35 | Joe Bolden | LB | 6-3 | 223 | FR |
http://www.mgoblue.com/sports/m-footbl/archive/012113aaa.html#
Joe Bolden (6-3) 223 pounds ---> 22 pounds [-1]
Looks like he found the freshman 15... hope that's not bad weight.
Watch the new Spring practice video and you'll see that Braden looks pretty fleet of foot for 315.
They are trying to get them quicker. Most likely they are shedding fat right now and may [read: should/will] bulk up a bit by Fall. Many teams (look at Alabama's roster) are playing their LBs between 230 and 245. My guess is that the fall rosters will have Ross and Bolden around 230 as they focus more on weight/muscle gain and get away from bad wieght loss (FWIW, this team could use more team speed at LB from last year, the freshmen provide that a bit, but more speed is probably the correct direction).
I could see Frank Clark moving to SDE. This could be used in an effort to get him to play a little more soundly (clearly he has struggled grasping the coaching, so putting a SAM outside of him may force his hand a bit more and not tempt him to bow outside so much) and to get a bit more pass rush on the field. As far as Beyer goes, he isn't doing too bad. 260 would probably be a decent weight for him to play at.I expect to start seeing WDE drop more as SAM and WDE become more and more interchangable and WDE starts playing stand up more (thought there will still be a fairly clear difference between the two positions). Black I think moves back to the 5-tech more often than not, which is his more natural position. So his weight should probably be fine.
You now have Beyer, Ojemudia, and Strobel at WDE, along with Taco. Clark, Heitzman, and Black at SDE. Godin, Wormly, Henry at 3-tech (could play some of the 5-tech here on passing downs). Washington, Pipkins, and Ash at Nose. This team needs to get a better pass rush on the field, so playing ~260 WDE and ~280 SDE is probably the right move. The message this off-season appears fairly clear: we need more speed on the field.
What's our "best 11" for various plays? Mattison sure isn't shy about substituting various packages out there, and it wouldn't surprise me to have a few different personnell groups on the DL.
It wouldn't surprise me to have a DL of Mario/Black/Clark/Ryan on passing downs in the nickel/dime group, or even something like Clark/Pipkins/Washington/Wormley against spread teams in running situations.
Regarding Frank Clark, I don't know if it would be good to move him to SDE. Because of the type of blocks he would take on at SDE, I think his lack of technique/discipline would hurt him even more. Furthermore, I think his biggest issue at WDE is losing contain on the QB because he bites so hard inside on the zone read/inverted veer, rather than biting outside. With Beyer as a guy who's athletically limited but more fundamental, I think it would make more sense to bulk Beyer up at SDE and keep Clark at WDE.
But there is no reason for a WDE like Clark (at his height) to weigh that much. I do think they want to get a bit more athletic at the SDE. As a SDE, he probably wouldn't be the read guy against zone option teams as often (EMLOS would be SAM and WDE, unless Michigan isn't in their base, but that's being read less often than WDE would be).
Switching to SDE may allow him to focus more on technique and cut down on the decisions he has to make. But, again, this is trying to find a conclusion for why he has put on that much weight.
or was Clark's lack of discipline on the edge exposed against South Carolina?
Was exposed against Northwestern... in 2011. He hasn't really improved a lot since.
I noticed he looked markedly thicker in the spring practice video a few days ago... guess it's legit, which is good, as he looked like a high school freshman last year. Quick transformation IMHO.
I think Brian is using a roster from the bowl game or maybe from spring of 2012 because many of his weights listed don't correspond with the Mgoblue 2012 football roster.
Brian is however, using the Mgoblue 2013 spring roster as listed on their website. It's a little confusing but I can deal with it.
Kalis may not be at 300, but he is cut for an OL. Very little bad weight, all muscle. The LTT news is amazing, add a redshirt year on top of that which he desparately needs. In a couple years, he could be a force.
According to DG, he is up 8 pounds from the start of winter workouts , so I'm not sure how entirely accurate all these updated heights/weights are.
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