OT: Pacquiao Marquez 4

Submitted by PlayByPlay on December 9th, 2012 at 12:28 AM

Pacquiao-Marquez getting under way right now, I guess I'll watch, hoping for Pacman to win so that there is no longer any excuse for Pacquiao or Mayweather to keep ducking each other...though you know they will keep ducking.

Here's the best stream I could find for those interested:




December 9th, 2012 at 12:48 AM ^

Both fighters throwing HAYMAKERS at each other in that round. Maquez went down for a quick second, but both fighters were landing solid punches on each other. Score is likely close to even right now.

NOLA Wolverine

December 9th, 2012 at 1:13 AM ^

I've never thought he would take out Mayweather, and the Mayweather/Marquez fight pretty much showed everyone everything you needed to know. His legacy will just be the Marquez boughts (well, I guess the "Mexican killer" phase of his career more generally), and I would atleast be intrigued by them meeting up again. We'll find out if anyone else is in the next couple of months I would assume.


December 9th, 2012 at 1:20 AM ^

I'd be sad to watch them fight again.

I had Marquez at 2-1 coming into this bout due to inexplicable judging in their previous fights.

Marquez was going to have to knock him out to get the win, he wasn't winning any decisons and if they met again he wouldn't either.

At 39 Marquez has nothing to prove and should retire...as should Pacquiao.


December 9th, 2012 at 1:01 AM ^

At this stage of their respective careers, Mayweather has not yet started to lose his edge but Pacquiao clearly has...fwiw, this is two straight losses for Manny. Mayweather would beat him soundly for 10 rounds and then Pac would go out.

Seriously, Pac should have taken the 40 million two years ago.


December 9th, 2012 at 1:05 AM ^

This is what Mayweather did in 2009 to the "in his prime" Marquez:

  Floyd Mayweather, Unanimous Decision (120-107, 119-108, 118-109)

Pac's done. Any ideas about him fighting Mayweather or having any "legacy" by comparison are seriously flawed...

The steroids can only help you so much, clearly.


December 9th, 2012 at 8:51 AM ^

The guy who makes the commercials and gets the product endorsements right before the heavily-promoted fight gets knocked on his face.

Manny should have taken the money that was available for a fight with Mayweather 2 or 3 years ago. He still would have gotten his ass kicked, but he would have gotten the biggest payday in his life. Even if he does now agree to fight Mayweather, the money he'll get will be just a fraction of what he could have gotten.


December 9th, 2012 at 11:00 AM ^

Are you kidding? He and Arum made waaaaaaay more money by not fighting Floyd and allowing this "feud" to carry on in the press.

Almost the entirety of Pac's box office power stems directly from the fact that he has been promoted as the number one challenger to Floyd, and the only guy capable of beating him.

The moment those two fight the big pay days dry up.

If Floyd wins, Pac's still a legend, but no one gives a shit about him anymore because he's no longer the one great hope to beat Mayweather. So his box office drawing power would die.  

If Pac wins, there's no more dragons to slay, and none of the casual fans who bring in the big bucks would give a damn any more, so his pay days would be severely diminished.

Arum blocking Pac from fighting Mayweather was the smartest financial decision he possibly could have made.

Floyd is the big money generator in boxing. Arum and Pac have exploited this to the tune of millions they could have otherwise never come close to banking.


December 9th, 2012 at 2:03 PM ^

Figure a 50/50 split in 2010 with the madatory drug testing that Pacquiao refused...would have generated about $50 to $60 million per fighter/camp

Now, you can't do that fight once, unless Mayweather just utterly destroyed him (quite likely but even Floyd in Vegas vs. Pacquiao would have been looking at 115-113 cards or something similar.

They could have manufactured another fight, same monies (more or less). 

Now, due to his promoting himself and basically contracting services with Golden Boy Mayweather keeps a lot more than Pacquiao as a percentage. That leech Bob Arum keeps a sizeable amount for himself.

I suspect that Arum's motivation was probably, as you say, to protect Pacquiao's "legacy" by fighting the Timothy Bradleys and JMM's of the world. Guys that, literally in JMM's case, Mayweather dominated. Plainly, this strategy left a lot of money on the table and rather than cement Pacquiao's legacy, has virtually destroyed it.