OT NBA oversteps its bounds by giving Spurs $250,000 fine.
December 1st, 2012 at 9:58 AM ^
Yeah, Stern is out of line here. He needs to reconsider how games are scheduled, and he should also recognize that a coach like Popovich is a winner - he's not going to purposely throw games to hurt his team. Pop is trying to rest his aging stars for the stretch run.
November 30th, 2012 at 6:35 PM ^
November 30th, 2012 at 6:39 PM ^
November 30th, 2012 at 6:40 PM ^
Super fucking lame if you ask me. Now the comissioner can tell coaches who they can and cannot rest? What if all of those guys got sick, then what?
November 30th, 2012 at 7:52 PM ^
Then it isn't the same thing at all and there would be no fine. Also, expect a lot more back spasm, stomach virus, etc. designations in the future.
November 30th, 2012 at 8:48 PM ^
He once fined Pat Riley for sitting Worthy and Johnson at the end of the season before playoffs. $25,000. Stupid.
November 30th, 2012 at 6:40 PM ^
Another example of his megalomania. Teams rest players all the time after a playoff spot is secured - it's hard to see how this is much different. Pop is simply managing his roster.
I'm curious to see if this sticks. My sense is that Pop's well-regarded around the league, but I'm not in the know on that point.
November 30th, 2012 at 6:41 PM ^
November 30th, 2012 at 7:23 PM ^
I would like to see the definition of "superstar" in the NBA bylaws.
November 30th, 2012 at 8:16 PM ^
November 30th, 2012 at 6:42 PM ^
What bullshit. If I were the Spurs owner, I'd tell Stern to go fuck himself.
November 30th, 2012 at 6:46 PM ^
November 30th, 2012 at 6:47 PM ^
November 30th, 2012 at 6:49 PM ^
More of the same. David Stern has been doing whatever he wants for at least twenty years. The only reason it's obvious now is because of the internet.
November 30th, 2012 at 7:01 PM ^
Snakes222 Next time Popovich should just start them, call a timeout after 5 seconds of play and then sit them the rest of the game.
November 30th, 2012 at 7:08 PM ^
To take that a step further, what if they dressed but never played? I just don't understand why the commissioner has a say in this.
December 1st, 2012 at 4:57 AM ^
Wow, I seem to be in the minority here but I'll reply to you WolvinLA2 since you are one of the more reasonable individuals on this board.
Anyway, I agree with Stern for the following reasons:
1) Stern's job is to promote the NBA brand, yes it is only one game, but this has the protential to be a dangerous precedence if he does nothing.
2) Consider if you were a Spurs fan living in Miami, how upset would you be if you paid top dollar to see your favorite players and instead get 40 minutes of Matt Bonner. Yes Spurs ended up playing great, but how many people wrote that game off once they heard who didn't even make the trip?
3) This is not fair to the other teams in the league. Yes you have to look out for your team first, but let's take a ride in my "what if" machine. What if the Spurs played at full strength and won the game, and what if that one game cost a team home court advantage, and what if that lost home court advantage cost them the series. Might not matter to you, but it might matter to the other team. (Ok, I'll admit this last point was pretty weak)
December 1st, 2012 at 7:19 AM ^
1. I don't see how it sets a dangerous precedent if it's done for a very specific reason by a potential Hall of Fame coach (a.k.a. this guy's trying to win an NBA championship but the schedule is wearing down his star players).
2. I don't know... What if you're a Spurs fan in Miami and your favorite player is a formerly popular college player stuck on the bench, like an Adam Morrison or something? Should Popovich play Adam Morrison because the fans want to see him? A coach already has to make his team and his home fans happy; now he's got to worry about a handful of Spurs fans living in southern Florida, too?
December 1st, 2012 at 2:44 PM ^
Please define "a very specific reason"... So yes it could set a dangerous precedence b/c now instead of teams playing their best players, they could start throwing games whenever they feel it serves their very specific reason. Yes this can easily happen with the star's not playing with full effort, but at that point, it hurts the star's reputation so that is on them.
On a higher level, this hurts the entire NBA brand b/c now a network bidding on a contract has to wonder how many games are going to feature a team playing without its stars, or if you are an advertiser, you have to worry about buying commercial time for a game like this.
Your point for number 2 is pretty weak, if you really went to a game and had high expectations that a player that doesn't really play much to get playing time, then logic is not your best attribute...
Look, I don't disagree with what Pop did, but I don't disagree with what Stern did either.
December 1st, 2012 at 2:58 PM ^
The "very specific reason" is the reason we all know Popovich did it - he wanted his guys rested and healthy down the stretch.
Baseball players rest all the time. Starting catchers often rest on Sundays. Star players rest when they're going through a slump or just get tired. Pitchers get an extra day of rest sometimes. The Nationals shut down Strasburg at the end of the year. Why didn't Bud Selig fine the Nationals? Why doesn't he fine teams who rest their star first baseman? Because he knows that it's a long season, and managers want their guys to be healthy and play well.
December 2nd, 2012 at 4:57 AM ^
December 2nd, 2012 at 6:33 AM ^
I'm not saying it's a general "very specific reason." I'm talking about THE reason that Popovich did it - to rest his aging players for the stretch run. I've mentioned this probably 4 or 5 times in this thread now.
November 30th, 2012 at 7:08 PM ^
November 30th, 2012 at 7:12 PM ^
*If* Popovich was trying to send an implicitly insubordinate message to the NBA about the horrendous road trip they were on (which, like, whatever, the Pistons had it worse to start the season)-6 games in 9 days-then I can understand Stern fining them.
But then I remember that he's never ONCE addressed teams that tank the end of the season for more ping pong balls, and am so glad that smarmy little man is stepping down soon.
November 30th, 2012 at 7:20 PM ^
November 30th, 2012 at 7:26 PM ^
I said *If*. *If* this had been an insubordinate statement to the league about the schedule-making this season. *If* that, then I would have understood.
I'm informed, thanks.
December 1st, 2012 at 2:58 PM ^
The lottery thing is really crazy. The NBA keeps sending mixed signals. First they institute the lottery to prevent teams from tanking, but then every time a non-terrible team wins it, they rig the odds to favor the worst teams. So what's the point?
November 30th, 2012 at 7:17 PM ^
November 30th, 2012 at 7:24 PM ^
November 30th, 2012 at 7:33 PM ^
Sometimes when I hear Dave Brandon's thoughts on marketing M football I'm fearful he is going down a similar path.
November 30th, 2012 at 10:23 PM ^
December 1st, 2012 at 2:23 PM ^
I don't see the comparison. Brandon is definitely not promoting individual players above the team. The "Team 133" thing is the polar opposite of what Stern is doing with the NBA.
December 1st, 2012 at 2:40 PM ^
I don't see the comparison. Brandon is definitely not promoting individual players above the team. The "Team 133" thing is the polar opposite of what Stern is doing with the NBA.
November 30th, 2012 at 7:47 PM ^
I wonder whats going to happen if players start getting "sick"??? Are they going to have league doctors checking everyone out to see if they are sick? or if they are having back spasms? or any other generic excuse players make to sit out of games.
November 30th, 2012 at 7:53 PM ^
November 30th, 2012 at 8:07 PM ^
But that's life, man. I've gone to many sporting events and my favorite players aren't playing. What if Tim Duncan had played, and hurt his ankle? Then the Tim Duncan fan who had tickets to the next game couldn't see him. Or what if Duncan had played, but because he had played so many games in a row, he just played poorly? Is that any better? Or what if you bought tickets to the Spurs playoff games, and they narrowly missed the playoffs because the coach never rested his older players?
Coaches are hired to make decisions that are best for his team winning. If Pop didn't rest his team, they wouldn't be able to play as well in the playoffs, which is more important than a road game during the regular season.
November 30th, 2012 at 8:54 PM ^
What about injuries? Say that I drop a couple hundred bucks to go watch my team play, and in the first minute of the game Superstar X hurts his ankle, and they rest him for the rest of the game? He easily could have played in the second half, but to take a precaution, they rest him.
Do they get a fine then?
November 30th, 2012 at 9:05 PM ^
Or you go to a game to see player x and player x ends up in foul trouble and sits for most of the game.
November 30th, 2012 at 9:47 PM ^
December 1st, 2012 at 12:52 AM ^
But why not blame the schedule-makers that gave San Antonio 6 road games in 9 nights (4 games in 5 nights!!!) and Miami 5 days off prior to this matchup? Conspiracy or not, that's a tremendous advantage to the defending champions on the national stage, isit not? Greg Popovich decided "eff that" and rest was more important for his aging stars. 4 games in 5 nights, on the road, is brutal for any pro league.
December 1st, 2012 at 8:33 AM ^
November 30th, 2012 at 8:00 PM ^
I've read that Stern doesn't want the Spurs to set a precedent that makes resting players commonplace. But what kind of precedent does this set? Will the league start combing boxscores for suspicious DNP-CD's? Will players have to get approval from an independent doctor to sit out with an injury? All this does is make David Stern look like an ass.
Plus, fan reaction is overwhelmingly on the Spurs' side. My guess is Stern thought fans would be applauding him for this. Just a huge miscalculation. Can't wait for him to retire.
December 1st, 2012 at 12:57 AM ^
If you really want to solve the problem, then create some parity in your league! It's not rocket science...teams don't rest stars when they need them to win games, and you need to generally win games unless you're just THAT much better than the teams around you and have that big of an advantage in the standings.
Besides, you really think SA wants to do this? You think their owner likes seeing the stars they are paying millions of dollars for sitting on the sidelines? Stern's "concern" is ridiculous.
November 30th, 2012 at 8:04 PM ^
What would Stern do if the Spurs orginization refused to pay the fine? Apparently Stern is not only acting as the a general manager by not authorizing certain trades... he's now dictating how teams set up their rosters and play their games. His retirement can't come soon enough! He has effectively watered down the NBA product by over exanding the leagues footprint, and by selling his soul to bad basketball. His decisions are based upon what he personally wants, not what is better for the league. While Popovich shouldn't have sent his star players home, it's ultimately his and the orginization's decision. If he's so concerned about fans who pay to watch his NBA product then he should shut down the Bobcats.... they're a crime against humanity.
November 30th, 2012 at 8:15 PM ^
November 30th, 2012 at 8:19 PM ^
F**k David Stern. I'm not an NBA guy anymore and really don't watch. I've been paying attention to this non-story story the past 24 hours though; I tuned in to the game only because what Popovich was doing (well, and they were actually winning and should have won). Just like most things in life this is a bunch of hypocritical bullsh*t. Sorry to the "fans" that went to watch their team but missed out on their "stars" not playing; but honestly, boo hoo, sorry for ya. The TEAM they went to watch almost won anyway. When the Spurs are winning in May and June it'll partially be because of the great coach they have and then to some extent the decisions he makes throughout the course of a season.
But let's fine the sh*t out of the organization/coach for making a decision based on the health of his team and the overall bigger picture which is the NBA season.
Also...I went and saw the Braves twice this season (on the road) and both times Chipper Jones had the day off. I wasn't mad or upset; it's life. It's what happens. I went to the games to see the team. I understand basketball is a more "star" oriented sport and that it's not as much of team game as baseball and football...but too bad.
November 30th, 2012 at 8:17 PM ^
I'd be happy if Stern and Bettman both disappeared. They are ruining their respective sports. Talk about complete idiots...
November 30th, 2012 at 8:26 PM ^
This is just absolutely epic douchebaggery. Imagine if the Spurs had won. And it was close, too.
So if Stern can fine teams for not putting what he considers an acceptable product on the floor, why hasn't he done anything to the Pistons lately? That's just a crappy show.
November 30th, 2012 at 8:29 PM ^