Andre Ware further solidifying his unpopularity in Michigan
http://www.detnews.com/article/20090819/SPORTS0201/908190411/1131/U-M-s…
Predicts 5 M victories.
That is by far the lowest number i've heard thus far, and I believe his main deciding factor is freshman QBs. Someone should remind him of the like of Chad Henner, Pryor and the like. Frosh QBs are the best at times, but far from a death sentence.
August 19th, 2009 at 4:07 PM ^
Andre Ware Joey Harrington Chuck Long Drew Stanton Charlie Batch
Anyone that is the 5th best qb in this group should not be allowed to talk about quartebacks
August 19th, 2009 at 4:22 PM ^
Really? He hasn't even played. I mean, I suppose he's done less damage than the others, but you might as well put mike mcmahon and dan-o on there.
August 19th, 2009 at 4:33 PM ^
Stanton was a 2nd round pick 3 years ago that the Lions couldn't trade last off-season (and they tried). He is a career back-up or 3rd stringer... and for a second round pick that is "suck".
As for Dan-o and McMahon... that now makes Ware the 7th best QB on the list. Now he should be barred from talking about football in general, let alone qbs.
August 19th, 2009 at 4:42 PM ^
I just think its hard to put him at a level of suck with no real evidence of it.
August 19th, 2009 at 6:51 PM ^
are better than Andre Ware yourself (you are not), then you probably shouldn't be allowed to talk about football in general as well.
August 19th, 2009 at 5:44 PM ^
Rodney Peete?
Maybe Erik Kramer?
Keep putting these guys on the list that made me think it was possible to be an NFL QB at the gullible age of 10.
August 19th, 2009 at 10:43 PM ^
Stafford >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all Lions QBs. Prepare for the greatness from Stafford.
August 19th, 2009 at 4:07 PM ^
Should remind you that Tate Forcier is not Chad Henne.
August 19th, 2009 at 4:11 PM ^
Because clearly both have played four seasons at Michigan.
I'm thinking it was a comparison of situations, not talent levels necessarily.
August 19th, 2009 at 4:26 PM ^
your reading ability.
August 19th, 2009 at 4:11 PM ^
True freshman Chad Henne also had to start with true freshman Mike Hart.
August 19th, 2009 at 4:18 PM ^
David Underwood was the starter for the opener (Miami [NTM]) and I believe Jerome Jackson was ahead of Hart as well on the depth chart.
Hart didn't start getting significant carries 'til the SDSU game.
August 19th, 2009 at 4:20 PM ^
I still think Forcier has a group around him to make him succeed.
August 19th, 2009 at 6:07 PM ^
Who exactly? Like our defense, which was bad last year and lost players in the top position group (DL)?
It seems like people don't remember we won 3 freaking games last year! 5 wins would 66% improvement! We'll be good eventually, but not this year, and probably not next year either.
August 19th, 2009 at 6:16 PM ^
Wow David, you're about the most pessimistic person I've seen yet. Sure, there are a lot of people who don't think we'll be stellar this year (I, though, am sticking with my 7 win prediction), but not next year either? We are set up in 2010 for a 10 win season, IMO. After this year, we lose Minor, Brown, and a couple lineman (who might be replaced by superior players) and on D we lose Stevie and BG. 10 wins in 2010, book it David.
August 20th, 2009 at 11:46 AM ^
It may be a bit early for this, but...
2010 Michigan Schedule
UConn
@Notre Dame
UMass
Bowling Green
@Indiana
Michigan State
Iowa
@Penn State
Illinois
@Purdue
Wisconsin
@Ohio State
That is an incredibly favorable schedule. I also think that Michigan will win 7 games this year, and assuming that happens, the returning talent on both sides of the ball plus that schedule could easily launch us to 9 or 10 wins. Michigan will be good in 2010 (unfortunately, so will Ohio State)
August 20th, 2009 at 2:02 PM ^
Playing at ND, PSU and OSU doesn't strike me as all that favorable. The other nine games don't look that hard, but then again, by year 3 of the RR regime we should be at no worse than a 9-3 level.
August 19th, 2009 at 4:22 PM ^
I was pointing out that in the past, freshman QBs have been successful, or otherwise productive.
August 19th, 2009 at 4:37 PM ^
EDIT: Should have read the rest of the comments--moved my comment towards the related comments.
August 19th, 2009 at 4:09 PM ^
Basically what this guy is saying is that although we return basically 10/11 starters (Sheridan out replace with Forcier), have a much better QB even as a freshman and an easier schedule than last year that we are only going to gain 2 wins....this makes no sense. I would bet any amount of money that we could start Sheridan and based on the O-line experience and RB's being healthy that we could win 5+ games.
The problem with people who don't follow the program as closely as us is that they take a 3-9 season and assume that this team compares to last year. In reality I would fine it hard to find a comparison to last year other than the fact we are starting a new QB and the defense just changed coaches/schemes. It is nothing that we haven't don't before that ended with perfectly successful teams.
August 19th, 2009 at 4:10 PM ^
Who is Chad Henner?
August 19th, 2009 at 4:13 PM ^
I don't know, but I don't think he is as good as Chad Henry.
August 19th, 2009 at 4:16 PM ^
beat me to it
August 19th, 2009 at 4:21 PM ^
and someone negged me on it! No harm meant at all. Just having fun.
August 19th, 2009 at 4:20 PM ^
He was Tacopants High school Qb, before Chad Henne ever threw a pass his direction.
August 19th, 2009 at 4:23 PM ^
He was a relentlessly self-improving boulangerie owner from Belgium with low grade narcolepsy and a penchant for buggery.
Only a 3* on Rivals.
August 19th, 2009 at 7:32 PM ^
I presume it's the old National Lampoon "Buy this magazine or we kill this dog" cover?
August 19th, 2009 at 9:08 PM ^
Either that... or he got his hands on some of the Vick evidence
August 19th, 2009 at 9:11 PM ^
Classic cover.
August 19th, 2009 at 4:38 PM ^
Chad Henner is "Meh Shirtless" at best: http://www.facebook.com/people/Chad-Henner/852690710
August 19th, 2009 at 4:41 PM ^
That made me LOL. +1
August 19th, 2009 at 4:50 PM ^
Is that a Carolina Panthers banner on the wall? I thought Henner was drafted by the Dolphins...
August 19th, 2009 at 4:15 PM ^
anyone who played for the lions and failed as a QB should not be able to talk about what it takes to be a good QB.
August 19th, 2009 at 4:19 PM ^
playing QB for the Lions=failing as a QB
August 19th, 2009 at 4:15 PM ^
While I appreciate your position I think you need to focus on the fact that Tate is inheriting a defense a year reomoved from being the worst D in M history along with an O, that to put it mildly, struggled last year.
August 19th, 2009 at 4:19 PM ^
Nice to see you off the ESPN boards...MAIZEandBLUE09 here. The name was taken so I used my Xbox name.
I pointed this out on the ESPN boards but I was reading a Rivals article that said that one of the main reasons the players were so confused last year on defense was because Schafer made the Safteys, LB's and CB's all work out in different groups. Outside of scrimmages and games the groups never got to work together. I thin this is one of the major reasons for the defense being so bad last year.
August 19th, 2009 at 4:30 PM ^
What's up man? Yeah this board seems to get more traffic.
August 19th, 2009 at 4:39 PM ^
and less trolls because of the "points" system. You won't find HSM on here. Sometimes there aren't any good topics on here though. You don't usually get the debates on here like on ESPN because there are really only Michigan fans on here.
August 19th, 2009 at 4:18 PM ^
Is to commentary / analysis what Ryan Leaf was to the NFL.
August 19th, 2009 at 7:02 PM ^
Kwame Kilpatrick is to Detroit City government !!!
August 19th, 2009 at 7:06 PM ^
I don't know...Ryan Leaf had some good moments.
August 19th, 2009 at 4:21 PM ^
Is Andre Ware still calling games for ESPN?
August 19th, 2009 at 4:21 PM ^
Well I guess we'll just have to win 6 or more games and prove him wrong then huh? It's not worth getting bent out of shape because an analyst predicted we'll only win 5 games.
August 19th, 2009 at 4:28 PM ^
There is absolutely nothing wrong with what Ware said. Like it or not, five wins is very possible considering we are starting a true freshman at quarterback and have a defense that is one giant question mark at this point.
Some of you are just going out of your way to find reasons to bitch about the msm.
August 19th, 2009 at 4:45 PM ^
I'm one who predicts Michigan to be 5-7. I think its possible to be as high as 7-5, but that's my best case. I'm also pretty pessimistic. I'd at least put it as a very realistic scenario, very equal to the likelihood of 6-6.
August 19th, 2009 at 6:03 PM ^
I agree. I also think 5-7 is probably most likely. It's not outrageous at all, jeez.
August 19th, 2009 at 10:34 PM ^
implies that we only beat del st, eastern, indiana, purdue, and western. so we'd lose to MSU, ND, OSU, WISC, PSU, ILL, and Iowa. kinda doubt that happens but we'll see soon enough
August 19th, 2009 at 7:34 PM ^
...are simply exercising our right to vehemently disagree with Ware's "analysis."
August 19th, 2009 at 11:36 PM ^
Shhh, you're going against those that like to bitch about people that bitch about other things, which as we all know isn't allowed. This forum simply shouldn't be used until gameday.
August 19th, 2009 at 4:30 PM ^
Well, I guess since Brian has taken this thing national and MGoBlog has been infested with Scout and Rivals posters, as well as probably a lot of 12 year olds, we'll continue to have these types of threads. The radar is up, people search the intranets for anything bad about Michigan, post it here (and in Scout, Rivals, etc) and we get the usual, "That guy is an idiot!" replies.
Oh, how I miss haloscan, when this blog was a campy, culty fun lil underground experiment.