Air Force does NOT suck (Temptation Chant)
Movement starting on Facebook to eradicate the "You Suck" chant for Air Force game (hopefully it sticks...)
I'm all for the "Go Blue" replacement of "You Suck." I tired of You Suck sophomore year and would love to see it leave. Maybe the dumbest thing the Michigan fan base does is to chant "You Suck" when we're down several scores...
http://www.facebook.com/events/183015915163169/
Ex Marine here, and I don't think they'll really be butthurt about the chant during a football game. It's not like we're giving a serious critique with that chant. I agree that the chant itself is stupid, but this just seems kind of silly.
I agree - it's not like they can't stand up to a little jeering about a football game.
But, hey, if this is what's necessary to get rid of the chant, then I'm all aboard.
You never know who the ACTUAL internet tough guys are.
I'm happy to say I don't think it's actually about Air Force, and more about getting the chant out of Michigan Stadium.
EX??? as a veteran Marine myself, that implies something Chunkums...
I agree that the chant is dumb and we could do better.
I was going to say something about the ex- too but I figured I'd leave it alone because no one else would get it.
well I am ex-Navy, and I thought you Marines were always Marines, and in my view -- given the amount of grief my glider pilot grandfather and u2 mechanic cousin gave me -- the Air Force really does suck.
The chant still needs to go however.
Nah, it's nothing shady. I was honorably discharged as a sergeant last year. I appreciate the values I gained through serving, and how the leadership has helped me in my career, but I've had a serious ideological shift regarding my thoughts on war since I turned 18 and enlisted. I don't want to get into politics, so lets just say that I'm very happy about my current status as non-deployable thanks to the ending of my contract.
I don't think anyone was throwing stones.
I definitely support saying "Go Blue!" Then we might get the whole stadium to chant it instead of just the students. Having 100,000 people chant "Go Blue!" would be more intimidating, I would think, than having 20,000 people in one corner of the stadium chanting "You suck!"
I always thouh the big problem with the "You suck" was that it was incredibly stupid and classless and unorigional. It makes the fans sound like a bunch of 12-year-olds.
Agree, and I think that's why pretty much none of the alumni chant it.
Also because that addition didn't exist when 95+% of the alumni were in the student section.
And for good reason -- the "you suck" addition, uh, sucks.
We come across as morons every time it is used. Stay classy, Michigan, and go blue!
While we're at it, what about yelling, "Gooooooooooooooooooo BLUE!" on kickoffs, instead of "OooooooooooooooooooooooOOOOOOOH!"
I've always wanted to get a "Let's Go Blue" going right after the ball is kicked.
ooooOOOOOOOOHHHH! (ball kicked). LET'S GO BLUE.
Like that.
I made a thread about this not too long ago. I totally agree though. Let's maybe even applaud the air force team as they run onto the field. They're playing for the love of the game, not for future NFL dreams.
It isn't like the UMass kids are all going to be ballin' in the league either. Maybe it will take seeing what a silly thing it is to shout at future members of our armed forces to make people realize how silly/tacky it is to shout at any kid playing for an opposing school.
I think It's more about showing respect to them than taking it easy on them in terms of the fan atmosphere.
As a former USAFA Cadet I have to say that it garnered a lot of respect when a non-traditional team applauded the Falcons as they came on the field. Now games against CSU for example, that's a completely different story but I do remember when Oklahoma came to Colorado Springs and their fans applauded as our players came on the field it really made me feel like they "got it" in that these guys aren't only playing for the love of the game they (with extremely rare exception) are soon going to be defending our country...
I think it's more a good opportunity to break the habit. Trying to stop it during the Air Force game is more likely to get the "AMMURICA FUCK YEAH" crowd on board, who otherwise might be the hardest ones to convince to give up a derpderp cheer.
September 8th, 2012 at 4:17 PM ^
Cuz Michigan Sucks.
September 8th, 2012 at 4:17 PM ^
Cuz Michigan Sucks.
dumbest chant our students do. My favorite is when they do a "YOU SUCK!" on third down, then the team goes for it on 4th and short and converts
Are you a fan of all of MIchigan's opponents? Why would that be your favorite?
I was being sarcastic. Try to keep up
So it's not the dumbest chant we do?
His first sentence was not sarcastic. His second sentence was sarcastic.
It was really quite an easy comment to follow. I'm not sure why you're being so difficult.
Well, Keith, if you didn't get the sarcasm in my posts, I"m not sure what to tell you.
compared to the other poster in this thread, I obviously wasn't the only one who missed the glaring sarcasm in your posts. But, good jokes.
Don't mind them bacon, I laughed.
Yeah, because I'm sure it caught around super well with the people around you.
Agreed! And the "you suck" chant was in full swing during my four years, so I enjoy it. Regarding AF specifically, they're football players, just because they're doing a great honor to our country doesn't mean we can't treat them with the faux-hate we treat to the rest of our opponents. You can call it classless if you want, but unless you have a problem with the hockey chants too, I'm calling shenanigans. (And if you have a problem with those too... well you'll probably want me off your lawn now.)
Their hearts are in the right place, but this is actually a little bit insulting. As if AF is not a "real" team.
They want to beat us, we want to beat them. Go at it. Shake hands afterward.
Saying "you suck" is lame, but not because it will hurt AF's feelings. It's lame for the Ohio State game too.
Meh. People get a little carried away sometimes in order to try and "proove" their patriotism. Such a chant would not imply that THE Air Force sucks. It wouldn't even imply that the Air Force Academy sucks. It just means that for purposes of this particular football game, the guys on the other side of the field are our opponents, and when you come into the Big House as our opponents, well, you suck. Plain and simple.
My two cents: this is pretty stupid.
They are playing against another group of 85 super talented athletes. They are way better at football than anybody sitting in our student section and I'd like their chances in just about any other form of competition/combat you could name.
If the players on the field want to talk shit to the guys they are actually competing against that is one thing. For people in the stands wearing a jersey without pads/helmet to do it is kind of ridiculous, no matter how patriotic the opposing school. The fact that Taylor Lewan is a badass doesn't make you or I one, and we should all probably act accordingly.
Ok....so why bother cheering at games at all? They're not our opponents out there, we don't have a tie to the team other than being fans and/or students/alumni, so we should just sit there and watch against any opponent passively. Sounds fun. I'm not a fan of the chant, but I don't think anyone considers themselves a badass when they do it. Just a fan.
So we should never taunt opponents? It's almost always a given that calling a team shitty is "shitty relative to league" not "shitty relative to all humans". 1962 Mets excluded. And I'm pretty sure the Air Force kids can take it, consider what they signed up for.
I don't particularly like the You Suck chant but it's ridiculous to campaign to not do it against a service academy. If there's anything this country is founded on -- and our troops are obstensibly fighting for -- its the ideal that all people should be treated the same, even our troops. The idea we should be nicer to our opponent just because they're the Air Force is a wholly un-American thought.
Actually, I think the op brought it up as a springboard to not do it anymore, not just for one game...
I get what you are saying. But you and I both know that reality is different. There are numerous examples where people (& politicans, but we can't go there!) urge that military & vets be treated differently, and the American public feel good about complying with that. Whether it's being applauded in the airport or given discounts at businesses or being featured in ads to boast how many vets Walt Disney has hired--treating the military as exceptional is a well-loved theme. I think there some weird thing about not repeating the experience of those who fought in Vietnam BUT AGAIN I CAN'T GO THERE.
Eliminate it for good. That's all I have to say about that.
I swear I'm not watching Forrest Gump right now...