Elite 11 Day 2
Brian Stumpf @BrianStumpfESPN
S/O to Shane Morris (@S_Morris12) - winner of the Day 2 Golden Gun Accuracy Challenge @Elite11 #GoBlue
Asiantii Woulard and Shane Morris showed a lot today @Elite11. Woulard battled thru groin to have great day and Shane passed Dilfer's test
Just a couple of tweets showing how it went.
I wonder what Dilfer's test was, though.
Really glad his accuracy is coming along. We knew he had the big arm, but cobine that with accuracy, and his pocket presence/vision.... WATCH OUT.
I guess this goes with pocket presence, but everyone has praised his footwork. It is good to know that he already has great footwork because people always say it starts with the base.
Are you reading this, Mr. Treadwell?
Shit-talk every QB in the NFL for mistakes you're not even good enough to make yourself. What a wanker. He also said Morris "needs to learn to tempo the ball." THAT IS NOT ENGLISH, DOUCHEFER.
a) Whether he could make the throws or not, he won a Super Bowl.
b) It's football talk.
That three guys named Lewis won that Super Bowl. He's the sorriest excuse for a Super Bowl-winning quarterback in the history of the sport. He's not fit to carry Brad Johnson's jock.
Brady Hoke and Nick Saban were both excellent football players, right? That must be the only reason they became good football coaches.
Dilfer made it to the NFL, was a first round pick, and won the Super Bowl, regardless of whether you think he was talented or not.
It takes a team to win a championship, and Dilfer was just as much a part of that team as anyone else.
Your first paragraph is really all you needed. I don't remember Bill Belichick winning the Super Bowl as a player. Hell, Harbaugh was an average NFL QB but it looks like he's a pretty good coach. Why does Dilfer need to be a great QB to be a great QB coach?
Under your argument, Borges must be a God-awful QB coach, right?
He's an analyst. He has never coached a day in his life. If John Gruden were conducting these camps, I would be thrilled. Not because he was a great QB, but because he's made a lot of QBs play at their very best. If Trent Dilfer ever shows himself capable of developing the talent of a player, I'll stop bashing him. I await that day. For now, he's no better than Skip Bayless. It's an insult to Nick Saban and Brady Hoke to put Dilfer in their class.
really hard.
He's not a coach and never has been at any level.
What does that have to do with anything? That is like saying someone who has worked with math day in and day out for 20 years should not be allowed to help kids with math due to him never having been certified to teach.
Dilfer banged your girlfriend or something, bro?
Morepete, if i'm a high school QB, or a college QB for that matter, I might take the advice of a guy like Trent Dilfer. It's not like Trent is an Al Bundy who relives his days as a high school star and disappeared into obscurity, nor is he a guy who sits at his computer and picks apart the careers of people who make a living doing, and later analyzing, what armchair computer man only dreams he did.
Is there any way I could get lesspete?
coach (v): to give instruction or advice
coach (n): a person who trains an athlete or team of athletes
Nowhere in either of those definitions does it say that a coach has to be paid. He's providing insight and instruction to the young men at the Elite 11 camp this week...pretty sure some of the guys that go through the camp under his instruction will turn into servicable NFL players...but you would probably suggest that it was due in no part to his guidance, right?
Who will you give credit to?
Yeah, you're going a little overboard on the Dilfer hate here. If you don't like him as an ESPN analyst, that's fine. But that's not what does with Elite 11. Here he is a coach, and talent evaluator. You bringing up his playing career is irrelevant and sounds like you're just grasping at a reason to say you don't like him.
Fine, say you don't like him. You don't even need to say why. But to argue with people here about why you think Dilfer sucks is pretty asinine.
My anger is more at ESPN for making him an expert that commands respect, in spite of never coaching and being known toward the end of his career for refusing to mentor young QBs he backed up. Again, I would literally take any QB coach who has been paid to do the job over him. Given that his opinion will shape the rankings of all these young players, I think I have a right to be cynical about his role in Elite 11.
His opinion will not have that much of an impact on their rankings. It's not like Rivals or Scout will say, "We don't think he's that good, but Trent Dilfer does so lets move him up a hundred spots in the rankings."
You probably need a chill pill.
Why the angst? The Elite 11 camp goes about 0.00000001% toward shaping the outcome of the games in the Fall, so really, why give such a big shit? It's just a fluff event anyway. It's one thing to get pissed at say, having to listen to Chris Berman use the same, tired "rumbling, bumbling, stumbling! WHOOOP! (3 Stooges shriek) WHOOOP!!" innane material week in and week out on ESPN's weekly NFL coverage, but Dilfer? Yaawn.
Agreed. His real hatred should be towards Tim Hasselback.
Will go directly to Trent Dilfer
If Gruden was coaching this thing, and Shane won the Heisman eventually, who would you give the credit to? The answer stays the same. So your argument is meaningless.
He was trying to make it sound like Shane will owe his greatness to Dilfer. That's what I answered. No coach will make a positive impact in four days.
It is myopic and ignorant to say no coach will make a positive impact in four days. Dilfer saying one little thing to Shane about his mechanics, footwork, etc. can stick and have a positive impact.
How did you gather that I think all of Shane's accomplishments should be credited to Dilfer? I said that he will undoubtedly be coach players at this camp that turn into servicable NFL players. In no way did I state that Shane's success will be the result of Dilfer. My point was that he IS COACHING right now, at this clinic. Like it or not, youre way off base here, bro.
I'm not sure I would call Harbaugh an average NFL QB...He was an NFL starter for a decade, was a pro bowler, and threw for 26k+ yards...I gotta think that is better than the average quarterback
OK - that wasn't supposed to be a dig on Harbaugh, he had a solid career and a couple very good years. My point was more that you don't have to be a hall of famer as a player to be a very good coach.
Maybe an average starting QB? Being a starter for that many years means you're above average already, but compared to the rest of the NFL starters while he played, he was probably middle third.
Trent Dilfer>Heath Shuler
As a Redskins fan,please never mention Heath Shuler ever again.ever.
haha, duly noted
I am also a Redskin fan and I concur with this request.
I've lived in DC for 12 years now and still detest the Redskins for beating the 91 Lions in the NFC Championship game after Eric Kramer and Barry Sanders and crew housed the Cowboys. The Redskins Cheerleaders however, I've been a fan. LIONS FOREVER!!!
Agreed. The test is to watch that overgrown child make an ass of himself, screaming and jumping around a bunch of teenagers, while resisting the urge to chuck the ball straight at his dick.
Ha Ha. you said wanker
Uhhhh, I may be an idiot, but what does this picture have to do with Woulard's groin?
dong forest. play on words. humor.
I laffed.
Who do we have a shot with in the 2014 class? Any potential top players?...
Dillon Baxter and Dee Hart
Forget Steffon Diggs.
"@S_Morris12 dropped back to the 35 and hit the End line, 75 yards"
That sounds like a good test for his arm strength.
Based on this article from last year, I'm going to assume it was a memorize-a-playbook-despite-not-getting-nearly-enough-sleep type of test.
Combined with the Golden Gun award, it looks like young Mr. Morris is having a good day.
Shane reminds me of Kyle Boller right now. I remember when Kyle was coming out of high school, I thought he had everything. That same big arm, velocity, good head on his shoulders, and above average speed and technique. Kyle, obviously, didn't pan out in the NFL, but was still a very good college QB. Shane understands the game more at this point in his career, but the comparison is pretty fair at this juncture. This is not a negative comparison, and if people think that, they'll only see Kyle's NFL career.
Yeah, I think I'd be pretty happy with Kyle Boller's college career.
comparisons on football. HALOL
You're saying that the Ravens won't win a Super Bowl with Shane Morris as QB?
OH NOES, PANIC!!!!
/I'm running out of things with which to be concerned re: Morris