2013 updated ESPN 150 and new ESPN 300 released
Only significant changes were the rise by Jourdan Lewis and the drop by Mike McCray.
Shane Morris 32 (up from 37)
Within 5 years, every site will have a "top 1500" list, and every recruit with at least one BCS offer will be a 4 star.
Technically, ESPN kind of already does. They have 1083 players graded. So if you wanted, you could just keep clicking "next" for 37 pages and figure it out a top 1000. And in case you were wondering, 473 of those players have four stars or more.
Very strange how ESPN is much higher on Conley than any other site. ESPN usually has a south bias.
Ohio State offers McCray...and he drops.
Gedeon and Deveon Smith don't even crack the top 300? And Poggi 250? wtf
Gedeon is 271. Smith is not in there.
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I am starting to really get confused with some of these rankings. Some sites have X guy dropping like 15 spots others have the same X guy jumping up 5 spots. The thing I guess that throws me off is that I figured they would be at least somewhat consistent. Oh well, I am fairly new to recruiting so maybe that's why I don't get it.
Many (most?) of the drops have to do with other guys movinig up rather than them moving down. So if ESPN ignores a guy he will probably drop just due to the ones they are paying attention to moving up.
How about Devon Allen. Scout has him as the 121st best OVERALL player in the country and ESPN has him as the 98th best WR. How can they be that far off?
Honestly, 17th for a 6 foot receiver seems a bit high to me. Not a ton of upside there.
Percy Harvin begs to differ.
Wes Wekler - 5'9"
Victor Cruz - 6'
Steve Smith - 5'9"
Roddy White - 6'
2nd 3rd 5th and 8th receivers in yards last year, respectively.
I could keep going, but it's just easier to call you dumb for that one.
I don't get it either. Although I would agree with the general south bias as far as ESPN is concerned. Also, it still shocks me when some people don't recognize the block M down here.
Living in Pell City of Alabama I wear a Block M Hat.. So many time people ask me if I was Mizz fan.. I was like hell no Go Blue! The Bama fans was like oh yeah we going kick your ass.. Then Auburn fans was like hope you kick Bama ass...
And then what happened?
Gedeon is #271 on the ESPN 300
is the new ESPN ranking system
Who else is tired of debating about a 5 or 10 or 15 spot move in the rankings? Means nothing.
Considering the thousands of players in college football, if you're getting a player that's at the top 50 at his position, chances are you're getting a pretty damn good player.
What about some of our key remaining targets, and longshots?
Fuller - 28
Treadwell - 37
McQuay - 39
Bailey - 50
Vanderdoes - 57
Green - 58
Bower - 119
Wilkins - 217
Mathis - 236
Even though ESPN seems to rank players quite aribtarily like many around here have pointed out, it's still surprising to see someone like Mathis at 236 while Rivals and Scout have him ranked 71 and 95, respectively.
Perhaps they take academics into account.
dont know how long you have been checking out recruiting services, but ESPN is the absolute most horrible recruiting site in the entire Galaxy. They were OK when Lemming was there in very early 2000's. And they are at least trying to now go big into recruiting, but they are very far behind. There network is small and fairly unprofessional.
There is the big 3, and then ESPN IMO.
*Big 2, 247 is still too new to be in the same class as Rivals and Scout...
that they wwere pretty good in a couple areas, right up with Rivals and Scout, but not as consistent or close in others.
I go to check the ESPN rankings I get pissed at how they can only rank our class 7th in the nation. Then I notice that it is the 2012 rankings. Anyone else have this problem?
Way to stay on top of things ESPN.
http://insider.espn.go.com/college-sports/football/recruiting/notebook/…
This is interesting. Here is a write up about Derrick Green, and it lists some schools who is interested in and who is in contact with, and there is no mention of Michigan.
"One school, Oregon, has promised him as much. Even though the Ducks aren't traditionally a grind-it-out team, they've said they'll tailor an offense to Green's skills. He plans to visit the school this summer, perhaps before or after his trip to The Opening in Beaverton, Ore., in July. Green also plans to visit Ole Miss, Alabama, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State and Auburn"
Is ESPN behind the 8ball, or are we MgoBloggers just getting our seatbelts ready for another heart break?
If you think it is, you need to recalibrate your expectations or what you think the % chance he comes to Michigan is.
My apologies, but there has been A LOT of chatter on here regarding Green and how the coaches are zeroing in on him after missing out on Ty Isaac. I myself did not read anything that said we were a favorite for him, but this board seemed to think he was our top priority at a skill position, outside of Treadwell. I was just passing along the information that we don't seem to be high on his list.
No need to apologize, what you said is correct, Mgobloggers have latched on to him something fierce after he said a couple nice things about us but the services seem to think we jumped on the wagon a little to late to be a serious player.
but he's been the only Michigan guy I've heard who thinks they have a solid chance.
...are best ignored. I could pick a few examples, but I have no idea how they can put Poggi at 250. If he learns to keep his pad level low, the man could be unblockable.
why this is a big deal, I mean is it because it is June and so it is months before we get football? If a player is the 40th overall rated player or the 45th will make little difference once he gets to Ann Arbor, what then will matter is his work ethic, natural abilities, and a ton of intangibles that will define how good he truly is, and even then it is still hard to quantify the ability of an individual. I mean, Kovacs was not recruited and Von Miller was a run-of-the-mill 3 star athlete and look at them, while there is no guarantee that a 5 star athlete will contribute, at the end of the day we hope for a great class but good coaches will find a way to use the athletes they have and field good teams, like Mike Leach did at Texas Tech. Or the job that Mattison and Hoke did with a not-so-great rated defense.
Because it is much easier to assess skill and athleticism...the things that kids are graded on than it is intangibles like attitude, work ethic, etc. Plus these kids are all the best players on their teams, so of course they coaches are going to rave about them. So, you always want the best athletes and the more highly ranked recruits you get the more likely you are to win. Yes it's early, and no a few points here and there are not a big deal, and yes the intangibles do matter as well. But, having highly ranked recruits matters a lot too.
11 players in the top 120 is sick. Well done Michigan coaching staff.
Anyone know why espn has two different ratings for conley and morris. On the team page at espn where they just show the top commits shane is an 88 and conley an 86. I noticed this a few days ago and thought it was just their new ratings in the espn 150 or something but when i saw the new 150 they are still listed as an 87 and 85. The commits page also list them as 87 and 85. Not really important it just seems odd.