OT: Another Tiger headed to the DL (Avila)
Not making any excuses for the team but they do have a lot of talent on the DL right now. Avila is just the latest in a string of guys getting hurt. It seems that the team does poorly when expectations are high (see 2006 World Series).
I am hopeful they can turn their season around, but I am really not that optimistic, poor defense, streaky hitting and pitching is not the recipe for success. What are your thoughts on their season thus far?
Story:
I am just suprised that they have yet to have one really good hot streak yet. Not one!
They will make some moves in the next month or so. I see them obtaining one more starting pitcher and a 2nd baseman.
Except there are no second basemen out there to get. By the time they make a move it might be too late they could be 10 games out of first.
We need a second baseman or shortstop that can hit over .270. That shouldn't be to hard to find. Peralta can play 2nd.
Are you kidding? A quality second baseman that hits .270 is a very precious commodity.
EDIT: Here's your top 20:
1 | Jose Altuve | HOU | .327 |
2 | Omar Infante | MIA | .309 |
3 | Daniel Murphy | NYM | .293 |
4 | Dustin Pedroia | BOS | .291 |
5 | Robinson Cano | NYY | .290 |
6 | Darwin Barney | CHC | .280 |
7 | Ian Kinsler | TEX | .277 |
8 | Dan Uggla | ATL | .276 |
9 | Jason Kipnis | CLE | .275 |
10 | Neil Walker | PIT | .267 |
RK | PLAYER | TEAM | AVG |
11 | Brandon Phillips | CIN | .264 |
12 | Marco Scutaro | COL | .263 |
13 | Aaron Hill | ARI | .262 |
14 | Howard Kendrick | LAA | .251 |
15 | Kelly Johnson | TOR | .250 |
16 | Robert Andino | BAL | .247 |
17 | Dustin Ackley | SEA | .243 |
18 | Gordon Beckham | CHW | .233 |
19 | Jemile Weeks | OAK | .228 |
20 | Freddy Galvis | PHI | .228 |
or shortstop.... So add about 12 shortstops that meet that criteria also
1 | Derek Jeter | NYY | .329 |
2 | Rafael Furcal | STL | .314 |
3 | Starlin Castro | CHC | .311 |
4 | Elvis Andrus | TEX | .308 |
5 | Asdrubal Cabrera | CLE | .294 |
6 | Alcides Escobar | KC | .289 |
7 | Jed Lowrie | HOU | .288 |
8 | Troy Tulowitzki | COL | .287 |
9 | Willie Bloomquist | ARI | .287 |
10 | Jose Reyes | MIA | .279 |
RK | PLAYER | TEAM | AVG |
11 | Mike Aviles | BOS | .270 |
12 | J.J. Hardy | BAL | .269 |
13 | Ian Desmond | WSH | .262 |
14 | Jhonny Peralta | DET | .253 |
15 | Yunel Escobar | TOR | .252 |
16 | Zack Cozart | CIN | .249 |
17 | Jimmy Rollins | PHI | .247 |
18 | Jamey Carroll | MIN | .239 |
19 | Dee Gordon | LAD | .230 |
20 | Sean Rodriguez | TB | .227 |
There are exactly 20 2B or SS that are hitting .270 or higher. How exactly can we convince any team to give one of those up?
I could see adding Lowrie who could be semicostly.
Bloomquist might be able to play for a stretch run as he is on end of a 2 year deal and costly.
Those are about it when i look at somewhat realistic possibilites hitting .270. Market is weak, especially since every team thinks they can make it with a 2nd wildcard
Add Scutaro to the list, the Rockies suck and he could be had for a decent deal, although im not happy with the fact that we'd have to give up a prospect for a 36 year old 2nd baseman.
because that was the way the question was framed. AND average is the only worthwhile measurement of a baseball player.
Raburn had a good second half and playoffs, so they gave him way to much credit. Man has he been awful this year.
yea 6'4" is a little big for second. It's to bad Cabby can't play 2nd so castellanos could play 3rd.
You just put nightmarish images in my head of Cabrera and Fielder on the same side of the infield.
Plus, there's no way Castellanos is on the opening day roster in 2013. It'll most likely be late 2013 that we first get to see him in Detroit.
Plus, there's no way Castellanos is on the opening day roster in 2013. It'll most likely be late 2013 that we first get to see him in Detroit.
evaulation suggests at the earliest a return in the beginning of august after getting into playing shape/extended spring training/minor league assignments, and probably later. WAR for him as a DH last year was 2.9, prorating that for how much time he will have missed, his impact is unlikely to be more than a 1 game swing. As far as psychological boosts and whatever that remains to be seen, but a team that is 6 back in early June is going to need more than a 1 game boost in august to turn it around. VMarts return is not the be all end all for the tigers.
but the Tigers he'd be replacing are actually BELOW replacement level so far. SO the effect could be a little higher
But we are still talking about 2 months top. Even if wheover is rotating at DH right now has a -6 WAR, were still talking about 1 month or 2. At the most the swing in WAR is 2-3 games. We're more than that far off the pace.
My point was we need more than just VMart to turn it around.
So currently on the DL we have:
Avila, Jackson, Dirks, Fister and Martinez.
This season doesn't look like its going to get much nicer any time soon.
That, and hopefully we can keep batting practice balls from caroming off of his noggin.
...in the Central division. I wouldn't call it over until they are about 10 games out in September.
Even last year they were pretty middling until the end of July. Then everything clicked and they quickly ran away with the division.
Just gotta keep hanging in there...
Despite all of these struggles, they are still in spitting distance of first with Cleveland and Chicago probably riding a little high on the wave right now. Hopefully some of these guys come back in time.
Everyone bags on the hitting, which is not anywhere near where it was supposed to be....but the Tigers make a ton of mental mistakes (base running, mental errors in the field, bad plate appearances)...they are a poorly coached team. It shows on the field.
Why can't we have them?
When i'm watching numerous DPs that are turned over against us could be broken up in my estimation by hard slides/ runners taking off at full speed on ground balls. That containsa little of both, but normally the lead runner would still be out and their inclination to do so is lowered.
Also Boesch in particular and a couple others have some God Awful body language at the plate after striking out (and flailing around like an idiot), or hustle on fly balls. I can think of numerous times where players haven't even made it to first on flyballs to the warning track after their bat chuck, head down half walk down the line.
The body language thing seems to bother me the most though. Seems to be a combination of resignation and just pure frustration on many players behalfs. If there is a reason to change managers beyond anything between the lines, this would be it for me. Leyland himself seems to have at times given into frustration/resignation at umpires and some of the effort things.
and didn't word it very well, but half the time it just seems like they are disinterested in being out there. Of course they are going to be frustrated striking out and i dont know what i would prefer to see, but i probably want to see anything. Throwing a bat or two would at least give the impression that they are fighting.
(I missed the Boesch catch yesterday because i got frustrated and just turned the game off. Granted i watched some replays and didn't see that but and how the fuck does DY not keep his foot down sliding).
As for the DPsand ground balls, sure we don't have the team speed to be beating them out, but plenty of times they aren't even half way down the base line since they aren't running. Put some pressure on the throws and umps to get it right. Bahaha, i guess with that last part i would probably be mailing it in occasionaly too.
http://insider.espn.go.com/blog/the-gms-office/post?id=4137
Not sure if you have insider, but the Tigers have way to much money invested in this team to not make a run at a championship. I would love if they picked up Garza from the Cubs.
The fact that Jim Bowden thinks these are viable trades is precisely why he now works at ESPN instead of in a MLB front office
but his valuation on players in some of these trade articles he puts out are waaay off.
It's laughable that the Tigers would give up their top 2 (and only really high upside) prospects for Garza
My thoughts on the season is that it is a travesty.................Talking to a few baseball GM's that were members at the Golf Club I used to work at, they say that every manager has a shelf life of 4-6 years with one team excluding the great ones. After that term the team becomes disinterested and too relaxed. Jim will be out by the All-Star break.
Unrelated to the Tigers DL... Is anyone else going to the Tigers vs Cubs game next Thursday at Wrigley?
Not going Thursday but the g/f and I are going Tuesday night. The Tigers twiiter feed mentioned they are having a meet up at O'Malley's on sheffield before the game. Giveaways and drink specials and what not.
Also for anyone who is interested in the Thursday day game; YouSwoop had $80 rooftop deals last I checked for that game.
My opinion is that things just can't get worse from here. Although I've been thinking that for the past couple of weeks, and we now have 8 guys on our roster who either started the season in AAA, or were there (or below that) at the end of last year: Berry, Young, Santos, Holladay, Crosby, Smyly, Worth, and Villareal. You just can't compete with that many young guys (especially considering that we don't have a strong farm system).
Eventually though, the Sox and Indians will cool off, we'll start getting some breaks to go our way, and things will even out. We're still a far way off from panic time.
Could really use dusty ryan or vance wilson right about now