Scout revamps their player rankings
Scout has revamped their rankings again, some are up and some are down. Chris Fox is down, Ben Gedeon and Jourdan Lewis are amongst the risers. Your thoughts?
Still no Taco in the top 300.
beat me to the punch. was expecting Taco to have a fourth star...
You guys are right.. Taco should move up. He is doing great on the camp circuit, which is the camp circuit, but he has completed with Mathis and ohios dt well. Maybe they are earring to see how he does in actual game situations but how he cannot make the top 300 is bbeyond me.
You're right. Taco hasnt shown much in actual on-field production compared to the DEs above him. Sure, he's looked strong at the camps, but they have been mostly regional camps, and the only time he competed against another top DE, he came up short (Mathis), even if it wasn't by much.
A lot of the DEs above him have been starting since they were freshmen or sophomores, and Taco didn't start as a junior. He has plenty of time to get that fourth star, but don't be too surprised if it doesn't happen until he proves it on the field.
Do we know who started ahead of Charlton?
I'm a little surprised that his most recent camp didn't get him there, only because the scouts seemed impressed by his previously unknown ability to bull rush.
I agree, though. Not a big deal, and a good senior season should easily get him that fourth star.
Gee, I sure hope he gets that 4th star, otherwise there is no way he can be a good player for Michigan.
I'm more surprised by Taco's coach than with Scout's rankings. How does that kid not start? Maybe he wasn't a perfect fit for their defense, but good coaches find a way to get the best players on the field.
Here's the thing. These camps work mostly on pass rush drills with the DEs, and since there are no pads they do very few running plays. It's clear Taco is athletic, but it's yet to be seen how how he holds up against the run. Since most high schools run a lot more than they pass, his pass rush was only needed situationally.
I would assume the guy who played ahead of him was better against the run.
I hate that people are still calling Taco "not a starter" last year. Its much more complicated than that to be honest. He himself on his own twitter refuted that claim a while ago. The whole Non-Starter thing is Ohio State BS that needs to stop over here. He complained about people saying that about him. Think about it. The kid is damn good. There's 4 guys on the D-Line. Pickerington is not exactly a powerhouse in Ohio and you really think there were 4 guys better than him? Hell no. If you don't believe me, go to the Ohio Recruiting site and check out his film. Its almost 7 mins long where he's defending against the run AND the pass. Do you really think a true non-starter could amass 7 minutes of highlights in one season of football?? He makes A LOT of plays throughout the film and isn't overly lacking in any part of his game, at least no more than any other recruit. The whole "non-starting" thing is a rumor gone amok, being perpetuated by Ohio. Pass it on
Just because Ohio State people say it doesn't make it untrue.
Good point Mr. Magnus. However, it seems like you missed where i said that Taco himself and several other sources refute this point of him not being a "starter"
I didn't miss that. But I also know that kids sometimes embellish the truth to suit their own purposes.
I understand that point, however, the evidence points to him telling the truth of the matter. As I stated above, situational players/bench players don't amass 7 minutes of quality highlights in one season. If you can show me any other player who came off the bench and achieved that fete then I'll believe the rumors.
Isn't that kind of the point, though? There aren't many other players who have 7-minute highlight videos and are backups...because most top recruits aren't benched in any of their defensive packages.
I can't speak to why his coach used him in a 4-3 vs a 3-4. I'll concede to you that it's puzzling and most coaches put their best 3 or 4 on the line at that level. If you look at his highlights I just don't see any glaring weaknesses, no more than any other WDE recruit. Basically from his film I can't see any reason they'd bench him. He looks good vs the run, and the pass of course. I guess that's for the coaches to know and us to find out.
Well, I see weaknesses (not that my opinion is more valid than yours) and clearly so do the analysts at Scout. That doesn't mean we're right, but it means that opinions vary...and there's nothing wrong with that. Who was right and wrong will be sorted out in 3-5 years.
Very true. I enjoyed the light-hearted yet spirited debate Magnus. Ur a classy guy. Some others on here should adopt your approach to disagreeing.
I understand that point, however, the evidence points to him telling the truth of the matter. As I stated above, situational players/bench players don't amass 7 minutes of quality highlights in one season. If you can show me any other player who came off the bench and achieved that fete then I'll believe the rumors.
Can you link to these sources? This isn't something I'd heard before, so I'm interested to see what they said.
I know if I were a recruit, I'd be pissed if people (including my own fanbase) kept perpetuating misinformation about me and my abilities to see the field in High School.
First thing I noticed as well.
I'm starting to think Taco is to scout as Wormley is to Rivals.
Really pretty image.
It's interesting that they have Bosch as a tackle and Fox as a guard. Most people feel that should be reversed. Both are ranked pretty high though, so it's all good.
This is nuts.
Dawson dominates Price et al.
Price stays as 4star DT. Dawson moves 2 spots.
Taco dominates everyone. Stays as 3 star.
I think you have to be more conservative with the adjustments especially this early on. There are a lot of camps and combines this summer, and if you adjusted the rankings based on how players did head to head every week, it would just get ridiculous.
By the time they have the final rankings out, they will have a lot more camp film and game film on the thousands of D1 prospects out there. They will probably have it right by then.
Hemholdt said they each won one rep against each other in one on ones.
For those interested, I saw somewhere that Rivals will be updating its ratings in two weeks.
I'd expect more changes in the Rivals rankings, since they're pretty dusty now that several months have passed without any updates.
Do people think C'Sonte will move up in the rankings shortly, now that he has committed to Michigan? Because of increased attention and the like.
...get moved up because of his Michigan offer, I think he'll get moved up because of his camp performances.
Across the services, the most confusing prospect to me is WR Jordan Cunningham from Florida, who was just offered by Michigan. The kid has offers from Alabama, Florida, Florida State, Georgia, LSU, Miami, Michigan, Nebraska, Notre Dame, Ohio State, Oklahoma, Stanford, and USC, among others.
ESPN has him rated where you'd expect: #4 WR, #32 overall. Both 247 and Scout are weirdly unimpressed, though -- #59 WR to 247 and #69 WR to Scout.
The fact that he's from Florida surprises me even more. Usually the recruiting services camp out in Florida just so they can analyze as many of their recruits as possible. Must go to a small school...?
With so many recruits and not much time for the recruiting services to get a comprehensie glimpse of what's out there, it seems that this is a kid that slipped through the cracks. They probably saw his early offers, gave him a generic 3*, and figured they'd re-evaluate and just haven't (yet).
Would be cool to see C'sonte to move up !
This is quite qn impressive group.......shuddering with excitement
If nothing else, this should just reiterate how awesome this class is. We are basically taking guys like Thomas and Kugler for granted (if you believe the doom in the Ty Isaac thread). I'm so excited for all these recruits its, well, tremendous fergodsakes.
Smith @ 7 is exciting.
Dawson @ 6? Isn't he generally considered the #1 G?
York seems really underrated, but I think he may move up like Pipkins did.
And I'm pretty sure they have Taco Charlton confused with Taco Pants.
I don't know what you're talking about. Taco Pants is a consensus 5 star. Have you seen some of the catches that man has made?
While I agree Taco Pants is a consensus 5* WR, but probably #30 DE; I think Charlton may be better at DE than #30.
Scout has always underrated guys who are made of dreams.
Actually, Taco Pants is a beast. He's the unanimous #1 recruit in the nation. You're the confused one, MaizeMN.
Edit: GAH!!!!!! +1 for beating me to it.
10 out of 18 kids in our class are listed as a top ten player at their position in the nation. I'm thrilled with the way the coaches are recruiting. We all have seen Dawson dominate at camps but I'm not upset that he's not listed at #1. Kugler is so in a couple years they will battle it out and let us know for sure
If arguablly the best Dcoordinator in college football wants a player, I do not care about the stars. If Mattison wants the guy and the ratings agencies say 3, I trust Mattison over all of them.
I agree. The coaches will not offer kids unless they either see qualities they want or at a minimum someone that has a lot of potential. Regardless of what the recruiting services say you don't get a full ride scholarship to a top tier football team unless you can play. They could list all ur recruits as 1 stars for all I care but we all know we have some play makers and that will reflect on the field
Here are the moves (up and down) by Michigan targets on the list:
http://www.touchthebanner.blogspot.com/2012/05/scout-300-for-2013-updat…
The thing I love about our football coaches and basketball coaches, they know talent when they see it. If they recruited all kids that no one heard of, I'd trust what they are doing
How the FUCK is Taco Charlton a 3 star? Scout... wow. You have outdone yourself this time.
He didn't even start for his high school team last year. Why are people so upset about this?
I thought Taco dispelled that himself. He just comes out when they run their 3-4 package or something like that.