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I am a loose vegetarian (tried vegan for a few months). My wife read The China Study and got us involved in a local vegan group. They screened this movie in november (rented a theater) and had a pretty good response. Haven't seen it yet, but I try to only eat meat one to two meals a week so I already got the message.

What it comes down to is the people, themselves, choosing to eat healthier. Its not meat/dairy farmers or McDonalds who keep consuming this western "diet". The people get what they want, they just need to care about getting the right things.

Btw, mexican food is a staple for my diet. Protip: you can sub meat with beans in anything at taco bell.

Don't go and act like Ohio now.

A vegetarian diet is good, but you don't want to downgrade meat. The problem is that the animals that are raised to become meat are eating shit like corn syrup to get them nice and fat. If the animals you are eating aren't healthy, then you probably won't be very healthy by eating them. It's all about the profit margins and pounds of meat you can get off every animal. It's a sick world.

You are what you eat, and what you eat is what they ate.

I'll check it out. It's pretty much the consensus that there are a lot of problems with the way meat, particularly beef, pork and even fish are raised in this day and age, but if you're replacing those animal products with processed foods you're not going to be any healthier. Everyone should also check out The Omnivore's Dilemma by Michael Pollan.

This is acttually a very insightful movie. Usually if you decide to become vegetarian, the hardest part is by far and away the first few weeks. My advice for you is to do your homework prior and know how to prepare all types of veg meals because if you begin thinking that you can only eat apples and carrots you won't stand a chance. Buy a vegetarian recipee book!

Also, fyi, I noticed a huge difference in both the way I felt physically and mentally after adjusting my diet. It's funny (and frustrating) when I see my co-workers who constantly complain about feeling like crap or not having enough energy though they're drinking Dr. Pepper throughout the day, eating fast food at lunch, etc. It's simple, what you put into your body will directly result in the output you get from it.

Make sure you do your homework before going veggie. It is important to know what you're doing. It its possible to be healthy or unhealthy as a meat eater or vegetarian. It is more important to eat unprocessed real food and I see too many vegetarians surviving off of veggie burgers and frozen garbage. You're better off eating high quality organic grass feed beef. That said, been veggie 15 years.

We buy half a cow every year from a local farmer all grass fead, no hormones or steroids or antibiotics. Zip zero nadda. It tastes better then any store bought by far. All veggies come from the pop up market. Find resources locally is a great start. And it helps your neighbors stay viable Everything in moderation. Im not in great shape because im lazy, but im aware of the food cycle also.

There are a lot of inaccuracies and manipulating data to support your preconceived conclusion. For example, during WWII, they cite a decrease in meat consumption led to a vast decrease in heart disease. The real data will show people were dying before they would had developed heart disease from acute infections (TB, influenza, pneumonia, etc). Additionally, their post death heart wasn't that much healthier. So yes, heart disease did decrease but not for the reason they claim, it's because people were dying sooner from other things before they would have developed heart disease in the first place.

Also, in the cancer studies with the mice: They say the data supports their conclusion that a veggie diet effectively cured cancer in mice. What the full study will show is that although the meat eating mice did develop liver cancer, the veggie eating mice actually all died sooner from their liver consuming itself. So yes, cancer free, but all died 100% sooner. And that is all aside from the fact that they were exposed to levels of carcinogens much higher than humans would ever be exposed to in their lifetimes. An alternate study was performed with moderate levels of carcinogens similar to what humans could be exposed to and the reverse was found true: mice with meat and dairy protein not only lived longer but were cancer free while the vegetarian fed mice died sooner from cancer related issues.

Lastly with the predominantly fish/rice eating Asian population coming to the US and adopting a "western diet" and dying sooner. The real data shows that they moved to coastal regions and their diet changed predominantly fom rice to bread without any addition of meat/dairy from what they were eating before. when the data didn't support their claim, they adopted a general term "western diet" to hide behind. The decrease in life expectancy could be correlated to bread intake perhaps. But it irked me that they mislead the viewers by claiming a "western diet" hoping that we all assume that is Big Macs and Nesquik.

These are just some of the problems I had with this documentary. It was interesting, but chock full of correlation = causation and questionable science as proof. In many instances, the studies they found supported the opposite conclusion but when you can handpick data and assume your viewership will not research your methods and full reaults, you can aell more DVDs. I agree with the message: eat better quality foods and do so in moderation. I disagree with the notion that the problems stem from eating meat/dairy.

Sorry for any formatting, I am via mobile.

Never seen the documentary, I'm sure they make a lot of leaps that shouldn't be made... but that's a big part of pop science. In order to get people to watch something, you have to make some ludicrous suggestions.

That said, I have my degree in biology and chemistry (so im knowledgeable on the matter) and my fiance is a doctor and we eat meat once or twice a week, tops.  Not because of any cancer risks but for these reasons

1) Its cheaper.  We get our protein from beans (sprouted and unsprouted), nuts, brown rice, and seeds.

2) Animal meat (specifically red meat) leads to higher blood pressure, a risk that exists in both of our families.

3) Meat comes with a lot of fat, and we both lead active lives.

4) Eating secondary consumers is less energy efficient than eating primary consumers and primary producers. (Boom, ecology terms)... basically all energy on earth comes from the sun, is converted to food by plants, and then the food chain.  The closer the organism is to the sun in the chain, the more efficient you can get energy from the food.

All that said, we are big proponents of live and let live.  so all you meat and potatoes eaters, enjoy your food!

The "epidemic of obesity" is not caused by meat it is caused by consuming too many calories and especially too many calories from carbohydrates. There is no mystery why people are fat, they consume too many calories during the course of a day and this is enhanced by the manufactured foods which never create a sense of being full as animal based proteins do. The scientific data has proven over and over again that animal protein diets lower the glycemic index, lower blood pressure, revitilize the body and create lastng heart health. See any post or any of the books from Dr Michael Eades. or read "The Vegetarian Myth."

In the entire human existence we ate meat, now, people want to change biological processes, it simply won't work. I can appreciate that people are against cruelty and the farm factories that treat animals inhumanely, I'm with them there but they should lobby to change those farming practices, not try to convince people we can thrive on a plant based diet. That goes against the entire history of man.

I started cutting out most processed carbs (breads, pastas, chips, cookies, breakfast cereals) and some natural bad carbs (potatoes) about 18 months ago.  I replaced these carbs with fruits (mostly strawberries, blueberries, and raspberries) and vegetables found in salads.  I replaced my breakfast cereal with one that was very low in sugar and total carbohydrates and high in protien.  Whenever I started to get hungry in between meals, I would consume a ZonePerfect protien bar.  I was eating 3 meals and sometimes 1-2 snacks a day depending on whether I was hungry between my 3 meals.  I would say that I consumed meat in 2 of my 3 meals daily.  I never really worried about how much fat I was eating.  I like lots of dressing on my salads.  I did try to make sure I was consuming some healthy fats too like (almonds, walnuts, and fish oil).  I lost 50 lbs. within the first 12 months (235 down to 185) and have been between 178-188 in the 6 months since.  I still drink beer when I want to.  I still eat some fast food and sweets when I feel like it.  If you want to eat vegetarian, I think you have to make sure you get enough protein and healthy fat if you want to be feeling your best.

Honestly I'm tired of people trying to change the world with these types of documentarys. 

Every single person on this planet is different and unique in their own ways ie people who smoke 10 packs a day and live to be 90 vs the work out freak who dies of a brain aneurysm at 50. 

The only fact here is that you must be responsible for what you eat.  You cannot eat McD's every day and expect not to suffer from it ok? Being Vegan though has huge sideaffects too which sees you having to take many supplements to keep your bodys iron/calcium etc levels in line. 

I love meat, my wife not so much and loves to eat "organic" food stuffs yet she believes its inhumane for me to go hunt Whitetail which is about as fresh and organic as you can get because we live in 2012 and we shouldnt have to hunt things to survive anymore. 

We also purchase a quarter of a cow from a local farmer every year.  I know where my meat comes from and in the case of the venison I even process it myself. 

The problem doesnt lie within our diets (its always about moderation anyways) but the perception of how our food gets on the table.  Way to many people dont think twice that just because its sold at Wally World that must mean its good it for them.

Yes, diet is important, yes eating too much processed foods isn't good.  But, to me the biggest problem with our health and heart disease particularly is our culture of laziness, entitlement, and the lack of patience and stress reduction.  There was a time when we took our time, weren't always on a a phone, a computer, or in front of a television, when we walked places, didn't drive crazy and cut people off to get to our destination one minute sooner.  There was a time when we understood that the work comes first and the results come later, when we were motivated to work harder to make a better life for ourselves versus enjoy the comfort that other people have provided for us.  It seems today that many of that is gone.  We have no patience.  We want everything now.  Technology has much to do with that.  The internet, smart phones, email, television, fast food, stores at every corner, etc. have given us almost instant access to anything we want immediately.  Many have enjoyed a life of comfort without every having to work for it.  This has made us incredibly complacent, entitled, and sedentary.  And that to me has the biggest influence on our health. It's human nature to try and take the path of least resistance.  That's survival....consume the most calories with the last work. What has the most calories, saturated fats & sugars.  That's what tastes great...snack food, candy, soda, fast food.  And, so many of our jobs require that we sit all day long.  We just don't move enough.  And, by the time we figure out how bad we are it's so diffucult to change a lifetime of of unhealthy habits.  IMO it's really the lack of physical activity, stress control, etc of our culture that is the biggest problem.  It's amazing how after you've been really active you have a genuine desire to eat good foods.  But, after sitting on the couch or in front of the computer or busy at work at a desk you just wanna veg out on what is tasty.  We need to postpone the instant gratification of all this stuff (food, texting, whatever) and realize the long term success & health feels much better if we can simply control ourselves long enough for it to work.  We have to get moving to get healthy, change our attitudes and approach, slow down and take our time, unplug from the media, internet, and TV, turn off our cell phones, be active for a significant portion of the day, and get a good nights sleep.  Do, that and you'll probably be better equipped to make good food choices.  Sorry for the rant.