Camren Williams to Ohio - any news on Reeves?
http://recruiting.scout.com/a.z?s=73&p=9&c=8&toinid=687&yr=2012
Local radio reporting the commit and verified by Scout. IIRC, Armani Reeves was supposed to be along on the visit to cbus today. Any news on Reeves?
Edit: Does anyone else feel a little icky that two players have been kicked off the team and one has decided to transfer just before signing day? I guess if Meyer can't oversign in the BIG then he has to get creative to free up schollys.
January 20th, 2012 at 3:47 PM ^
uh oh.
January 20th, 2012 at 3:49 PM ^
It is so damn frustrating that Ohio could possibly have the #1 recruiting class in the country after their scandal. They will probably end up being better off having gone through the Tat-gate scandal than they would be without it because it brought them Urban Meyer. The rich get richer....sigh
January 20th, 2012 at 4:03 PM ^
So long as Michigan gets it's guys I'm not too worried about what Ohio does. I refuse to worry unless they somehow begin to beat us heads up on recruits, which hasn't happened yet.
January 20th, 2012 at 5:40 PM ^
Brionte Dunn
January 20th, 2012 at 6:04 PM ^
Except Dunn was committed to Ohio by the age of 5. That would be like if Meyer got Shane Morris to all of a sudden start strongly considering Ohio, then at the last minute he decides to stay blue. Would you consider that a recruiting victory for Hoke? I wouldn't.
January 20th, 2012 at 6:39 PM ^
Yeah, that really doesn't count as a recruiting battle in the normal sense. Dunn committed to OSU in April of last year, and we didn't even offer him until after he was a commit. Trying to steal a recruit and failing is not the same as losing a recruiting battle.
But it's also hard to look at it that way for any recruits in this class because of the timing of the coaching change at OSU. The 2013 class will be an interesting one to see.
January 20th, 2012 at 8:26 PM ^
I don't think that Urban has tried to target any Michigan recruits other than Bri'onte Dunn and Kyle Kalis. So wouldn't the same logic work for Kyle Kalis since Urban didn't get into the mix until Kalis had already committed to Michigan and developed distaste for the Buckeye fan base. I feel that claiming Urban can't flip any Michigan recruit is like saying you've won a battle that was never fought?
What are you considering a recruiting battle? A committed recruit that suddenly changes side, or an uncommitted recruit that holds offers from both schools?
January 20th, 2012 at 9:53 PM ^
Considering the guy was always at least an unofficial commit even during the worst of Tat-gate, that doesn't feel like a real "head-to-head" win.
January 20th, 2012 at 4:03 PM ^
The exact same thing could be said for us. Coming off the worst three year stretch ever, also NCAA violations, and we could have a top 5 class?
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<br>I'll stand by previous statements and say we are headed back to Big 2, Little 10 in a few years. Although the little 10 I think will be stronger. So maybe Medium 10.
January 20th, 2012 at 4:22 PM ^
I'm not really worried about Brady Hoke's ability to recruit. We've already seen that he can. I think the teams that should be on watch are the teams that are just below Michigan and Ohio State, in terms of national profile. State is going to suffer because there are going to be less prospects available for them. Penn State will suffer in the same way.
It's going to be Michigan, Ohio State, and the rest.
January 20th, 2012 at 5:28 PM ^
You'll never see the "Big 2, Little 8 (10)" again. The change from 105 scholarships to 85 scholarships put an end to that. Also, the addition of national powers like PSU and Nebraska will prevent it.
January 20th, 2012 at 4:30 PM ^
You forget that the Tat-gate scandal cost Jim Tressel his job.
Tressel had been doing pretty well down there in OSU.
January 20th, 2012 at 7:50 PM ^
You don't believe in karma, do you?
Don't be shocked if things go rougher than expected down there.
January 20th, 2012 at 3:50 PM ^
How many guys is Urban gonna flip?
January 20th, 2012 at 3:53 PM ^
Let's put it in perspective. He is flipping them away from Penn State. And Decker came to Ohio with his main recruiter who also left ND for Ohio. Don't worry, I feel a nervous breakdown and retirement coming soon for Urban. If he couldn't handle the heat at Florida I'm not sure how he'll do at Ohio.
January 20th, 2012 at 4:44 PM ^
The seat will be really hot if he wins less than 10 or 11 times every year. Growing up and still living in Ohio, you realize that Ohio fans are even more irrational than every other fanbase, anywhere. Once the pressure builds and he (hopefully) loses to Michigan every year, he won't be able to handle it.
January 20th, 2012 at 4:47 PM ^
Here in Cbus, I think most people think he should win 10 games next year. If they win less, they are going to be whining. If they lose to Michigan next year, there is going to be a huge meltdown.
January 20th, 2012 at 3:53 PM ^
Don't know. How many more can PSU lose?
January 20th, 2012 at 3:54 PM ^
No snake oil here!
Takes the best from MSU and PSU and not a peep from the opposition.
January 20th, 2012 at 4:04 PM ^
The Big Ten gentleman's agreement is a myth. RR and Hoke went after committed recruits also, and I dont see a problem with it. They wouldn't be doing their job if they didn't at least try. And keep in mind Reeves was just on an official to Michigan (and he is still a verbal committment to PSU).
January 20th, 2012 at 4:10 PM ^
We've stolen Bellomy and Roundtree from Purdue recently. There is no agreement
January 20th, 2012 at 4:54 PM ^
This is really simple. Until the kids are signed up they are free game plain and simple.
January 20th, 2012 at 3:52 PM ^
the two kids he kicked off deserved it.
January 20th, 2012 at 3:55 PM ^
I'm sure some of the 30+/- players who were arrested while he was at Florida deserved to be kicked off that team too. I don't claim to be a Gator historian but I have a feeling it went down a little differently there. I wonder if they would have been kicked off if they were starters.
January 20th, 2012 at 3:58 PM ^
You can't have it both ways. You can't bash him for being lax on discipline in Florida for his 30 +/- arrests and then bash him for kicking kids off the team who deserved it because of their arrests. Be real dude.
January 20th, 2012 at 4:00 PM ^
He's coaching Ohio fergodsakes. The only rule is no punching in the face!
January 20th, 2012 at 4:09 PM ^
Yea, but you're being ridiculous and it makes you look ignorant...which makes our fanbase look ignorant. So stop.
January 20th, 2012 at 4:40 PM ^
January 20th, 2012 at 5:06 PM ^
Here's what i think he means here: We know from his larger body of work that Meyer is only a few steps up from Dantonio in terms of player discipline. So when he kicks two kids off the team, it's unusual; that much is pretty much a given.
So we have two options here. Either A) He's turning over a new leaf and starting to be more disciplinarian OR B) He has some other motivation for wanting these kids to be off the team. I think the other poster's point is that it seems unlikely that Urb is actually doing things different than he did at Florida, Utah, and BGSU. Rather, this smacks of ulterior motives (freeing up roster spots).
See? It's not a "you can't have it both ways" problem. Rather, that's URBAN'S problem, because he very well might want to have it both ways.
January 20th, 2012 at 10:04 PM ^
January 20th, 2012 at 4:24 PM ^
The Ohio players booted off the team were not good players (at least not starters) and are being "replaced" by highly rated kids. When he kicks off a star/ needed player (e.g. Stonum), then I will be impressed.
January 20th, 2012 at 5:12 PM ^
Clarke was as important to OSU as Stonum was to UM.
January 20th, 2012 at 5:47 PM ^
Uh, Gambrell beat up his pregnant girlfriend you fucking douche bag. And Clarke had multiple run ins with trouble here. Wasn't his first time. I know 99% of you on here are idiots, but at least get a few facts right before spewing your ignorance.
January 20th, 2012 at 6:21 PM ^
Typical Ohio ignorance at it's best. Make your mother proud. Way to go.
January 20th, 2012 at 5:13 PM ^
Dominic Clarke started 3-4 games for OSU last season, and he probably would've started more if he stopped getting into trouble. Travis Howard had a poor performance this season, and Clarke was expected to challenge him for the starting job in 2012-2013. At worst Clarke was OSU's 3rd CB, a major contributor next season and a projected starter for 2013-2014. I guess what I'm saying is Dominic Clarke was not a scrub.
January 20th, 2012 at 4:01 PM ^
One has assault/aggravating menacing charges pending. The other (who started three games in 2011) got a misdemeanor DUI while already having allegedly fired an air gun from the roof of a buildling not too long ago. At least he gets points for being creative on that last one.
http://www.cleveland.com/osu/index.ssf/2012/01/ohio_state_football_loses_one.html
January 20th, 2012 at 3:53 PM ^
DAMN YOU URB!!
January 20th, 2012 at 3:54 PM ^
Please don't let this turn into a sky-is-falling thread.
If you didn't expect Urban Meyer to recruit well, you were being dumb.
/"you" directed at no on in particular
January 20th, 2012 at 3:59 PM ^
I don't think the sky is falling. It's just frustrating to see them seem to get away with their violations with little consequence. Let's just hope the next Pryor, Herron or Posey are in this class somewhere!
January 20th, 2012 at 4:35 PM ^
Yeah, not a callout to you or anyone, really. I just get frustrated by chicken little posters when we've got a top-5 class and I felt they were coming. Call it a pre-emptive complaint.
January 20th, 2012 at 4:50 PM ^
January 20th, 2012 at 4:47 PM ^
I agree it's tough to see Ohio get into so much hot water and then(in relative terms) skate away with nothing.
It's pretty disheartening, but maybe the feedback from this bS is what's causing the NCAA to look at the much stiffer penalties it's considering so there's the possibility of a brightside.
Hopefully this means nothing in terms of Reeves, but I imagine he'd have a hard time choosing the arch-rival school of the one his best friend will be playing for.
January 20th, 2012 at 3:53 PM ^
Wow Penn State must hate Ohio more than ever.
January 20th, 2012 at 3:55 PM ^
PSUs class is going to be 4 kids when all is said and done. Sheesh.
January 20th, 2012 at 3:56 PM ^
Penn State is going to struggle for a while I think.
January 20th, 2012 at 6:26 PM ^
not the best analogy b/c of two completely different situations, but it sort of goes to show that when you get in trouble with just the NCAA (ohio, usc, etc.) it doesn't hurt that bad, but when the real cops get involved (psu, michigan w/ ed martin) it stings for a long time.
January 20th, 2012 at 3:57 PM ^
January 20th, 2012 at 4:02 PM ^
On a more positive note, Todd McShay just said that Hemmingway has moved himself into the 3-4 rd range based on the east-west shrine game practices. Good for him!
As as aside, OSU poaching PSUs best recruits not only benefits them but also cripples their likely competitors in their division. It will be interesting to see if Wisconsin can keep up their success or if OSU simply will dominate their division in the upcoming years.
January 20th, 2012 at 8:59 PM ^
I don't doubt Junior is playing well and I think he could be very good value at that spot in the draft but, just to be clear, Todd McShay is a national joke when it comes to collecting information. Everyone draftnik out there despises this pretty boy.
