November 28th, 2011 at 1:52 PM ^
Yeah, Sparty is gonna be pissed.
November 28th, 2011 at 1:55 PM ^
They aren't just our little brother anymore, they are the Big Tens little brother.
Beating Wisconsin the first time around doesn't even earn them respect.
Must suck feeling so inferior
November 28th, 2011 at 4:21 PM ^
Really?
Then how much does it suck to not even be in the B1G Championship Game? Maybe as much as it sucks to get beat down by MSU 4 straight years.
Wow.
November 28th, 2011 at 4:55 PM ^
It feels pretty good considering we'll be in a BCS bowl and you won't.
November 28th, 2011 at 5:13 PM ^
U mad (li'l) bro?
November 28th, 2011 at 5:14 PM ^
Post ftf.
November 28th, 2011 at 1:55 PM ^
But MSU is talented on D and lead by a Senior QB, 10pts on a neutral site seems very very high.
November 28th, 2011 at 2:07 PM ^
It might be more of a matter of when Winsconsin wins, they win big. And if the spread was less than a TD, vegas might not be able to balance the book. They lost the only two games within 10 points, afeterall.
Also, MSU won the turnover battle, blocked a punt for a TD and still needed a Hail Mary to win the first meeting at home. I think the line is fair.
November 28th, 2011 at 2:16 PM ^
AND...when MSU loses, they lose big. see: 2010 Iowa & Alabama, 2011 ND & Nebraska.
November 28th, 2011 at 2:55 PM ^
Yea, either the team give up when they know theyre gonna lose or dantonio give up and hoping for mercy
November 28th, 2011 at 4:09 PM ^
Them alway give up when them about to loose.
November 28th, 2011 at 1:56 PM ^
Wow that's a shocker to me. I was thinking at most Wiscy would be giving about 3.5. This game is not in Madison, so I don't think I would put to much down on this line...
November 28th, 2011 at 2:51 PM ^
Sparty doesn't travel, Wiscy does. My guess is Vegas is giving 2.5 pts or so for a "home" advantage...
November 28th, 2011 at 3:15 PM ^
November 28th, 2011 at 3:26 PM ^
Wiscy will travel HEAVY anywhere in the country, especially only to Indy. Helps MSU though that it is only in Indy, and is easy enough for their fans to get there.
Trust me, Wiscy will sell all their tix, and will be in town to scoop up more on game day. It's just what they do.
November 28th, 2011 at 4:01 PM ^
Wisconsin had to sell their remaining allotment to the general public today. It's gonna be 70% sparties in Indy.
November 28th, 2011 at 1:57 PM ^
Pretty safe bet to me.....
November 28th, 2011 at 1:59 PM ^
Wisconsin always is over-rated these days because of their usual cupcake non-conference schedule.
November 28th, 2011 at 1:57 PM ^
There's no reason MSU can't win the game outright. Everyone keeps saying they're not good, and they'll lose, but all they do is win. Wisconsin seems to alternate what team they want to bring to a game. They were supposed to get revenge for last year and laid an egg; now they're supposed to do it for this season. 'bout time they start collecting. 10-10.5 points for a team that can win the game seems criminally high. But I can see how betters around the Country would bite.
November 28th, 2011 at 2:06 PM ^
Losing the game due to a 44yd hail mary as the clock runs out hardly equates to egg laying...
November 28th, 2011 at 3:29 PM ^
True...but being on a receiving end of a 31-3 run after leading 14-0 before the other team finished an offensive play is pretty egg-worthy.
November 28th, 2011 at 3:30 PM ^
Also.....Lime hat cat avatar > your possessed looking grey/black cat avatar.....just sayin
November 28th, 2011 at 4:20 PM ^
That didn't prevent a Wisconsin win, just prevented overtime. As you were huge favorites two weeks in a row, and lost on 2 hail mary passes. Michigan State controlled most of that game, and the Badgers were lucky to be in it. And after it being their big upset last year costing them "whatever", it was supposed to be their circled game. And they got trucked most of the game. I'm not sure OT on the road was a great position to be in as a double digit favorite.
November 28th, 2011 at 1:58 PM ^
That line will move to 7 or 8, I think. It should make excellent bulletin-board material for Dantonio.
I am in favor for whatever helps Michigan the most, which is probably (in this order): (1) Sparty win, which helps our strength of schedule; (2) blow-out Wisky win, which likely sinks MSU below us in the polls.
November 28th, 2011 at 2:01 PM ^
I think Wisconsin will win, but that spread is higher than expected, especially considering Wisconsin is just not that same team away from Camp Randall.
If I had to guess I think the Badgers win by 3-5 point margin
November 28th, 2011 at 2:04 PM ^
Wisconsin is still coached by Bielema and as nauseating as it is for me to say, Narduzzi and his street gang seem to know how to game plan. (I swear to God I want to cut my fingers off with a log splitting maul for typing that). I would love to see Sparty denied a trip to Pasadena again, but I fear it's Kirk Cousin's time.
November 28th, 2011 at 2:07 PM ^
Sparty is playing some good football right now, and this line is high (7.5-10pts is a decent bet for MSU,
MSU was in command of that game for the better part of 3 quarters in October ... and let's not forget Wisky's struggles away from Madison (2-2, was down 14-0 to Illinois early)
November 28th, 2011 at 2:24 PM ^
They had a lead in the 4th quarter, but in command? Wisconsin dominated the 1st Quarter, MSU dominated the 2nd. Without the blocked punt that game is approximately tied at half. Then Wisconsion scored the only points of the third quarter before MSU got a two TD lead with about 10 minutes to go in the 4th, Wisconsin scored in 2:30 to get back within a TD, followed by a 3 and out for MSU. Both teams then traded late TDs.
By my count, they were "in command" for a grand total of two and a half minutes.
MSU won that game fair and square. But they got a lot of breaks. I'd be hard pressed after that game not to think that Wisconsin was the better team.
November 28th, 2011 at 2:45 PM ^
Wisconsin jumped to 14-0 lead on the first two possessions (110 yds of offense). Their next possession, they gave up a safety (1st play of 2nd quarter) and the tide turned.
First two Wisconsin drives: 110 yds offense, 14 points
Next seven Wisconsin drives: 183 yds offense, 3 points
MSU outscored Wisconsin 31-3 during this stretch 2nd quarter - 8:00 left, 4th quarter and outgained them 313-183.
November 28th, 2011 at 2:58 PM ^
I get what you're saying, I just have a hard time ignoring the first quarter being completely dominated by Wisconsin, and a second half where Wisconsin outscored MSU despite a last second hail mary.
MSU had four drives of any substance the entire game, and that includes one where over half the yards came on the hail mary. MSU played will, excecuted well, and caught the breaks. Wisconsin is the better team, and I expect them to win handily on Saturday.
November 28th, 2011 at 3:09 PM ^
I see your point also. At the end of the day, I don't like either team. Just happened to have +300 on MSU that day :)
November 28th, 2011 at 2:14 PM ^
I will be in Vegas this Saturday and plan on doing a three team teaser with Wiscy, LSU and Oregon. I think all three are going to absolutely crush it.
November 28th, 2011 at 2:17 PM ^
The line on Oregon, is going to be huge though, right?
November 28th, 2011 at 2:20 PM ^
Oregon -31 (decent bet)
LSU -12.5 (decent bet)
Wisky -10 (bad bet)
November 28th, 2011 at 2:25 PM ^
What type of teaser are we talking here?
November 28th, 2011 at 2:53 PM ^
A 3 team teaser would look like this:
Oregon -31 (decent bet) = -24
LSU -12.5 (decent bet) = - 5
Wisky -10 (bad bet) = -3
And if the Wisky line is so out of whack (and i dont think it is) then it'll move down by Saturday when it's time for me to place the wager.
November 28th, 2011 at 4:15 PM ^
Okay so a 7 point teaser.
I think this could be one of those games where both sides of the teaser hits. What I mean by that is that if you tease it down to -3, you might win with Wisconsin, but you'd also win if you had Michigan State at +17. The other two are easy bets in my opinion, perhaps even without the teasing. The question is do you see Michigan State getting blown out in this game? Can you see them winning this game? Because if you do think they win and don't get blown out, that +17 looks mighty attractive.
November 28th, 2011 at 2:24 PM ^
Wiscy will be a very motivated team, but I think Michigan State has been playing some of its best football of the season in the last couple of weeks, albeit against weaker competition. 10 points is a lot for this game. I think it'll be close.
November 28th, 2011 at 3:32 PM ^
It may be slightly different depending on where you go, but I just saw a line on the Boise/New Mexico game: Boise is favored by 49(!!!!!!).
November 28th, 2011 at 3:46 PM ^
Sparty fans have to be livid at this line. Usually, one would think the line would at least be kept in single digits for a championship game. A double-digit line is an insult. Not only is it an insult, but I think Wiscy will cover with ease. Sparty has their full attention now, Wilson has 12 games of experience in Wiscy's system, and the game is at a neutral site.
When Wiscy first played them, I thought they would blow Sparty out. That is exactly what I think will happen this time. 49-21 with a meaningless fourth quarter TD for Sparty sounds about right.
November 28th, 2011 at 4:36 PM ^
Not really...Most of us understand what the line is. It means nothing as to who they think will win the game. It has to do with getting 50% of the money on one side and 50% of the money on the other side. In 2010, UM was favored by 5 points and nobody, even UM fans, thought UM had any chance to win the game. Someone mentioned that MSU doesn't travel well and UW would have a huge advantage. The entire allotment of tickets for MSU sold out in about 2 hours.
November 28th, 2011 at 6:35 PM ^
Ummm.. IIRC before the 2010 game, everyone thought we had a 50-50 chance to beat sparty. I think we were actually favored by Sagrin and a few other computer polls. (just like 2011). You saying that nobody thought we had any chance is complete bullshit.
November 28th, 2011 at 3:53 PM ^
if they had beat Ohio, then ohio wouldn't be bowl elligible, if they had beat msu, we'd be in the championship game. It doesn't really matter who wins, because the loser should drop below us, BUUUUUUT, there is a small possibility that if MSU loses a close game that they'll stay ahead of us. So basically we need wisc to win in a blowout or lose, i'm sure they'll do neither.
November 28th, 2011 at 4:13 PM ^
Sparty would have to lose another game for us to be in the championship game.
November 28th, 2011 at 6:31 PM ^
I think this game is close. I'd take MSU to beat that spread - even if they lost, there no reason they can't be in it by less than a TD towards the end. My other problem is that Wisconsin has a tendency to switch to their "B team" at inexplicable and inopportune times.
November 28th, 2011 at 6:44 PM ^
All of Sagrin's ratings predict Sparty covering that line. The widest is the Predictor, in which Wisconsin is favored by 8.5. In the ELO Chess, Sparty is actually ranked higher than Wisconsin.
November 28th, 2011 at 7:26 PM ^
Why is this game in Indy? The B1G championship will be there every year, right? Why there of all places? Central? Is it that special of a stadium? What was the logic?
On the other hand, can you imagine it being at The Big House this year - I'd be sick to see MSU fans filling the stadium with green.
Also could consider that Indy will almost NEVER be in the game, taking away possible pure homefield advantage.