OT- Magic become InVINCEble
The New Jersey Nets have agreed to a trade in principle with the Magic that will send Vince Carter and Ryan Anderson to Orlando for Rafer Alston, Tony Battie and Courtney Lee
Alston being trade was obvious considering Jameer. The Rich keep getting richer. The Top 5 East times (IMO) are all getting better: Cavs (with shaq), Orlando (vince Carter), Wizards (adding Mike miller and Randy Foye plus injuries and getting Arenas back), and Boston (getting injuries back KG etc.)
This sucks. Draft tonight. I am excited. Hopefully, Pistons make a trade or someone drops (Clark, Maybe Jennings)
Link?. Link: http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4287197
I think Hedo is probably better than Vince at this point. This doesn't make them much better.
They resign Hedo (who playes the 3 and Lewis the 4) and have starting 5 of: Jameer, VC, Hedo, Lewis, Dwight... lots of great perimeter scoring and ability to spread floor. This is what thye do and what they are good at.
I think this trade pretty much guarantees they're not re-signing Hedo. Thus, I think it's actually a downgrade.
I wouldn't say guarantee. Downgrade from Courtney Lee? or Hedo? I think future wise yes in regards to Lee, but short term, I think VC still has it left in him. Plus, with Cavs getting Shaq and Wiz getting better, they had to do something to stay on top in East. Yes, they still would have been a top 4 seed, but this makes them better for next year. Also, they have said numerous times they will play Luxury tax to keep Hedo. Where else would he go? Maybe OKC, Maybe Pistons. Not many others have cap space and a decent enough team to win to convince him to come IMO.
A lot of reports have already said Hedo will NOT re-sign with the magic. Actually, within hours of losing in the Finals he basically said he would be a free agent.
This is what I recall.
I guess I don't remember that...my bad. But I read that Magic were willing to pay over lux tax to keep him
I thought all Hedo said was that he would opt out of his contract on July 1 or whatever the official day is and other teams can begin contacting him and his agent. I think he will go to the highest bidder which could be the Magic as they appear willing to pay the luxury tax penalty to retain him.
He was just opting out so he could make more money and sign a longer contract. He also said he wanted to come back to the Magic.
Don't really get this one? Why trade Courtney Lee? He was a rookie and showed great flash...he is basically a younger Vince Carter. All they get is a guy who will jack up even more 3's. I get trading Rafer but Tony Battie played decent minutes...doens't make sense
Courtney is a young Vince Carter?? Seriously? In what sense? That they both play basketball?
A younger Vince Carter? He is not that.
Vince is better than Hedo. Better 3 point shooter. Quicker, more explosive driver, and better rebounder and defender and I also think he is a great fit on the team especially if they run the offense through Dwight. He has been stuck on non-contenders his whole career and I think he'll be motivated to leave a legacy of sorts as this is pretty much his last chance at that. He is just a different player as Hedo is a great passer and ball-handler had mastered the pick and roll game which was ORL's bread and butter.
Any team can go over the cap to re-sign their own guys, so they may still re-sign Hedo. Just depends how much tax ORL is willing to pay.
it's not 2004 anymore
OK brah. VC is 32 and Hedo is 30. It's not like one is ancient compared to the other. I've watched Hedo play and he has some trouble getting into the lane at times and while Vince does as well (atleast compared to earlier in their career), I still think VC is all-star caliber at this point of his career. Look at the stats last yr. ( Hedo 14.8 PER and Vince was 19.35)
The point, brah, is that this:
Quicker, more explosive driver, and better rebounder and defender
doesn't apply to 2009 Vince Carter. He stays out of the lane like it has herpes, and he's always been a miserable defender - he's only worse now. And Hedo's rebounding number are pretty equivalent. Hedo was the main cog in the Magic's pick & roll, which is their bread and butter - Carter can't replicate that, because he won't go inside.
Also, I don't generally like to denigrate athletes' character, but Carter is widely regarded as "not giving a shit" and has a reputation of being softer than the Downie Teddy Bear.
Vince hasn't driven to the hoop in 6 years.
Not sure how much Vince has left in the tank but good gravy marie, what talent. I will be interested to see how motivated this trade makes him, I think he makes Howard better and Howard makes him better.
Joe D better wake the fuck up and realize what's going on around him. I know the free agent period doesn't start til next week but damn - the Cavs gave up basically nothing for Shaq. Admittedly, I'm a big Shaq fan. And now this?
If Joe D signs Ben Gordon I'm skipping next season and you can wake me up this time next year.
Get used to the lottery man. Its gonna be the teal years all over again. This team has some major, major problems right now.
If it goes back to the teal and maroon years (our best player this year is Cedric Ceballos!) I will return to being a fan.
would you have liked to see the pistons add shaq or carter? i know i sure the hell wouldn't
You're mad that the Pistons didn't trade for an old, overpaid guy?
As a Nets fan, this trade sucks. They could have done a salary dump without giving up Anderson.
As a Nets fan, I have no idea who Anderson is. They needed to get rid of Vince anyway, he's nothing but a cancer, an AI type player. I'm happy they're going young with Devin and starting to build a team here.
If there were half the teams in the NBA, then more teams would be stocked with stars and the level of competition would not only be higher but more even. I say half. In invite comment.
what teams would you walk up to and say "Hey were cutting the NBA in 1/2 and were just taking teams away from cities." Go ahead and list them.
Dumb Dumb Dumb
Atlanta
Los Angeles Clippers
Orlando
Oklahoma City
New Jersey
Milwaukee
Toronto
Sacramento
Utah
All I could come up with.
Think about all the drama and the stakes if this next season, the teams that didn't make the playoffs didn't make the league. It'd be like Survivor-NBA!
I don't think you could even put Utah or Sacramento on that list. They've had great fan support.
Vince Carter adds nothing to this team. He's pretty washed up.
And made of glass.
i thought the same thing at first and decided to look up the number of games he payed the last few years:
gs mpg
05-06 79 36.8
06-07 82 38.1
07-08 76 38.9
08-09 80 36.8
there's no question he's injury prone with his past injuries and age, but in that last 4 years he's been able to stay on the court.
a top 5 team? Do they have the potential? Sure, but they've had potential for the last 3 years. There comes a time when if you dont produce, all that potential gets thrown out.
Not to mention that Arenas is a head case.
Rafer Alston and how are the wizards a top 5 team?
Rafer Alston and how are the wizards a top 5 team?
Rafer Alston and how are the wizards a top 5 team?
Rafer Alston and how are the wizards a top 5 team?
Rafer Alston and how are the wizards a top 5 team?
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