July 8th, 2011 at 3:47 PM ^

First off, I'm sorry if this has been answered elsewhere.

If they vacate all of their wins for the 2010 season, does that wipe each game from the slate of every team they've played (like the season never happened)? Or are all of the teams they've played given the W by forfeit?

Thanks in advance.


July 8th, 2011 at 3:50 PM ^

that they should only be punished slightly more than a Michigan team who stretched too much by vacating their 2010 wins??  GIVE ME A BREAK!  Everyone knows "vacating wins" is the biggest farce out there.  Come on NCAA!  Do the right thing.  Down with bowls and down with schollies.  


July 8th, 2011 at 5:43 PM ^

Gene Smith says: "It's unique because usually there's a lack of institutional control or a failure to monitor. I can't think of one case that we were able to find (like ours)."

Gee, I wonder why? Certainly not because this situation is the very definition of lack of institutional control. No, coming up with a 2-game ban was certainly appropriate. Similarly, your compliance department looking no further than the evidence already found by outside sources points to this being entirely on Tressel.

I'm sure the NCAA will agree with you. Because of course, we all know that the NCAA likes being seen as an institution incapable of enforcing its own rules, and they so thoroughly enjoyed the public response to their ruling on Cam Newton. They're definitely going to accept this.


July 8th, 2011 at 6:18 PM ^

Funny post over there at Eleven Warriors. Here's a snippet.


"This is pretty huge as I imagine most of us were bracing for something much worse. Of course, the NCAA could come back and say the punishment is not enough, but given athletic director Gene Smith's relationship with the organization and the close level of cooperation between the school and the NCAA, there's a chance that the two sides are somewhere in the vicinity of each other on the punishment side of things. "


I can't wait until August. 


July 8th, 2011 at 8:56 PM ^

1)  The self-imposed penalties are crap.  Without loss of scholarships and bowl appearances, the program will not suffer.  How many Michigan fans care a hoot about OSU vacating their wins and halting their consecutive wins against us?  We're bigger than that.  We believe it's decided on the field.  While we can lose legitimately to them, we should also win legitimately against them.  To me, we will have forever lost to OSU all of these years.  It's up to Hoke and his Michigan men to fix this trend.

2) Is it just me or does OSU changing Vest's resignation to "retirement" signal an opportunity for him to come back into college coaching elsewhere?  I was of the understanding that a resignation, combined with NCAA penalties that include loss of scholarships and bowl games, would keep him from coaching in college ever again.

3) With the thumbing of their noses at the system, the NCAA needs to come down even harder on them.  What a bunch of asses.

4) Some here have suggested congress get involved in the NCAA.  Please don't go there!  I think it is pathetic that congress got involved with the major league baseball HGH crap!  We don't need government involvement in our sports.  The government can't keep from spending more than it takes in.  Why on God's green earth do we want them involved with the NCAA?


July 8th, 2011 at 9:18 PM ^

1. Agreed.

2. As for Cheatypants McSweatervest's retirement/resignation, it doesn't really matter -- the thing that will stop him from coaching again is the show-cause penalty that he's basically guaranteed to get because of his violations for lying to the NCAA.


July 8th, 2011 at 10:41 PM ^

What a Draconian self-punishment.  Next thing you know, they'll make Gene Smith stand in a corner quietly for five minutes.


The very concept of Insitutional Control was conceived to prevent OSU from doing what they have been doing for the past decade, and what they are trying to do now.  They are bending over backwards to not self police, and when somebody breaks the rules, they claim that it is an isolated case every single time.  Maurice Clarett?  Isolated case.  Troy Smith?  Isolated case.  The Tat 5?  Isolated case (even though SI says that it's the Tat 28).  Jim Tressel's lying?  Isolated case.


Never ever do a meaningful investigation.  Dennis Talbot?  No investigation.  "Loaner" vehicles?  No investigation.  Dozens of suspicious car deals?  No investigation.  OSU makes sure that they never find significant wrongdoing, and then they use plausible deniability whenever someone else finds something. 


There could not possibly be a more perfect case to be put onto a silver platter for the NCAA.  They are either going to rip OSU a new asshole, or they are going to tacitly endorse wholesale cheating and institutional neglect.  I see no middle ground now.  If OSU gets off with no penalty, I'm going to be among the first alumni writing a letter to Dave Brandon, Mary Sue Coleman, and Brady Hoke demanding that we start doing exactly what OSU has done.  The playing field is not level.  We're bringing a knife to a gun fight.  If the NCAA lets OSU get away with cheating, then we need to start cheating. I want boosters giving our recruits cars and I want our coach to shrug his shoulders and claim that he has no knowledge whenever somebody gets caught. No more of this "winning the right way" business.  If the NCAA doesn't impose USC-like penalties on OSU or at least something close, then there's no such thing as "the right way" anymore.  We'd be stupid not to cheat.


July 9th, 2011 at 12:12 AM ^

If Osu gets off with these laughably light self-imposed sanctions, it might be time to jettison the NCAA altogether.  If they do not enforce the rules fairly and implicitly endorse cheaters like Osu, Oregon, and Auburn, then there is no purpose to sustaining the NCAA's bureaucracy.  The Year of Scandal could be the prelude to a new seismic shift in college athletics away from the NCAA and towards several alternatives, including: superconferences, establishment of a paid farm system for pre-NFL talent, Wild West-style talent grabs by the heavyweight programs, and in general, an increasingly widening gap between the haves (SEC) and the have-nots (Sun Belt).

Of course, if things continue to deteriorate at current rates, I am of the opinion that Congress will get involved sooner or later.


July 9th, 2011 at 7:12 AM ^

It's not strict enough! It just lets them off the hook. 

The penalties should hurt them for the next 2 or 3 years, like USC's sanctions. Just pretending 2010 never happened won't fly. 


July 9th, 2011 at 7:28 AM ^

the NCAA comes back and says, "you know what? We think you guys(Ohio State) are being to hard on yourselves, and we're going to demand that you REDUCE your self imposed penalties!" 

What are you going to do then, huh? Huh?! 


July 9th, 2011 at 10:12 AM ^

you realize that the violations occurred BEFORE the 2010 season. The NCAA will likely impose sanctions and punishment in correlation to when known violations occurred. If they reveal ineligibility from 2007 on, for example, they will likely force sanctions involving 2007 and on. Keep dreaming, cooler pooper, keep dreaming.