July 8th, 2011 at 12:49 PM ^

I would laugh, but they have pretty good NCAA sanctions counsel now who saw this proposal and would have told them to their face if it was a really stupid idea.  :(

Mr Miggle

July 8th, 2011 at 1:28 PM ^

The same counsel that thought the two game suspension plus fine for Tressel was sufficient punishment? I don't believe the NCAA has alleged any new offenses since then.

OSU has consistently followed a policy of minimum action. Maybe it's a good approach. We'll see. I expect it to work out if the NCAA doesn't charge any further violations and to backfire if they do.


July 8th, 2011 at 12:51 PM ^

"The university also acknowledges that it sought the resignation of Tressel, who departed on May 30."

Yet earlier this year...

"In the immediate aftermath of Jim Tressel‘s stunningly jarring decision to step down as head coach at Ohio State, it was reported that The Vest was “encouraged” to resign for the good of the football program and the university.

In what’s described as his first sit-down interview since the resignation, OSU president E. Gordon Gee once again maintained that simply wasn’t the case, that the decision was Tressel’s and Tressel’s alone."



July 8th, 2011 at 12:51 PM ^

They embarrassed the NCAA with that Sugar Bowl and made them look like fools.  Volunteering to vacate the 2010 season is simply an acknowledgement of that fact and is not going to be nearly enough of a punishment.


July 8th, 2011 at 12:52 PM ^

What if I did that to myself when I got in trouble - no punishment for the future, but only past punishment:

"Honey, I know you just caught me sexting my ex-gfs, so I'll punish myself. Instead of you denying me sex for the next year, I'll no longer take credit for any of the sex we've had for the last year."

That's the equivalent to how OSU punished themselves.


July 8th, 2011 at 12:53 PM ^

This is fantastic I think.  If they came close to what the NCAA was thinking, they'd probably get a break.  I can't imagine the NCAA gives them any slack now.  Hopefully it's buckeye nation that's being delusional and not us.  

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Everyone Murders

July 8th, 2011 at 1:48 PM ^

Whatever their mindset (maybe trying to preserve a good story for recruits, maybe denial, maybe something else) it seems that this won't end well for OSU.  I wish they had been even sillier, and simply offered to vacate the Sugar Bowl win.

As far as some of the outrage in the comments, we don't get mad at fish for swimming, so why should we get mad at OSU for being OSU?


July 8th, 2011 at 12:58 PM ^

I would say that this seems like a joke, that it seems like it makes Ohio look even worse, but that would just be my feelings, man. I need hard data to decide if this is bad for Ohio. Hold all comments until we have the hard numbers from which to base 'real' arguments. 

Incredible Hoke

July 8th, 2011 at 1:16 PM ^

Actually I think with the NCAA not having the "updated" allegations, this would seem like a light, but fairly decent self imposed punishment. HOWEVA, if the NCAA finds the other allegations to be true, they will bring the hammer down. I'm assuming once it's all said and done that OSU will: Vacate 2010 season, 3-5 Scholly loss per year for 3 years, and 2 year bowl ban. Very similar to USC's sanctions. 


July 8th, 2011 at 12:59 PM ^

So OSU's strategy becomes clear: they recognize, correctly, that the NCAA will never reduce a school's self-imposed punishment.  It always adds a little more on.  So you may as well go ultra-light on the self-imposed stuff and hope that the tacked-on punishment isn't that bad.  If you fall on your sword, you really gain nothing.  This is not the most morally upright position to take, but it could work out for them. 


July 8th, 2011 at 1:03 PM ^

As the bylawblog said, the self imposing of penalties is pretty worthless.  You're basically guessing at what the NCAA will hand down and trying to get "time served" between your response and the hearing date.  

I'm sure OSU and counsel belive it's in the ball park, but you certainly don't want to go overboard on penalties.  The NCAA doesn't usually let you take those back.


July 8th, 2011 at 1:09 PM ^

but i think he also makes another point that's gone unnoticed.  he said that the main reason for self-imposing penalties is to start the clock and then get time served when they're imposed.  but osu didn't self-impose any penalties for which that is possible meaning that they won't be able to start serving bowl bans and/or scholly reductions until after the ncaa levels its penalty.  that's stupid.  if they get a 1 year bowl ban, osu should take it this year when they'll have either a crappy or young qb.


July 8th, 2011 at 1:25 PM ^

That's what I meant by "time-served".  I agree with what you're saying, but with the timing of the hearing, there will still be time for the NCAA to give OSU a post season ban this year.

If things were moved back a few months, then I would see a self imposed post season ban for this year making more sense.


July 8th, 2011 at 1:09 PM ^

But there are two circumstances where it makes sense to self-impose realistic penalties.

The first (largely Michigan's case) is where the infractions are "major" but technical and with a pretty well established set of precedent.  In those cases, you can self-impose a little less than what you'd get anyway, and you can hope the NCAA appreciates the good faith effort and doesn't feel the need to tack on the extra sliver it otherwise would have.

The second (which SCREAMS Ohio State here) is where there is probably a lot of other stuff that COULD be penalized that isn't in the Notice of Allegation that could be. For example, you get an LOI for tatgate, but it turns out there were a bunch of other unrelated Pryor-based offenses.  You put the hammer to yourself on the issues raised, and pray to Sweet Six Pound Eight Ounce Baby Jesus that the NCAA closes the book before they take a close look behind the curtain.


July 8th, 2011 at 1:04 PM ^

If they get fewer years of probation than us for a decade of cheating then I give up all hope. The fact that their failure to bomb the ENTIRE compliance department alone warrants 5 years of probation, a 3 year post-season ban, and a loss of 40 scholarships for 4 years. Maybe a little harsh, I know, but FFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUU OSU and your BS antics.

Their punishment amounts to the loss of a coach that was going to retire in a couple of years and the loss of a player that never materialized into all-world - and 2 YEARS PROBATION! Who cares about a vacated season. What about the 9 seasons prior? FFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUU! I now hope the NCAA napalms your athletc department back to the days of intramural cricket.


July 8th, 2011 at 1:05 PM ^

I can't believe the stuff I'm hearing in Ohio today. Common sentiment seems to be they should only vacate the bowl win, if anything at all. I can't believe this.