MazenBlue4ever

March 18th, 2011 at 11:17 PM ^

Nice article I think people have been analyzing this movie too much. I feel when Jalen said those things he was talking about how he felt at that time of a (18-19). I feel like  Jalen Rose praiesed him and also gave props when they played duke and said there a great team and hills a good player or something like that. Fab 5 forever

MazenBlue4ever

March 18th, 2011 at 11:17 PM ^

Nice article I think people have been analyzing this movie too much. I feel when Jalen said those things he was talking about how he felt at that time of a (18-19). I feel like  Jalen Rose praiesed him and also gave props when they played duke and said there a great team and hills a good player or something like that. Fab 5 forever

Mitch Cumstein

March 18th, 2011 at 11:19 PM ^

Another man's opinion.  Not surprising he took that side being a UM and UNC alum, and writing for the website he does.  Although he does bring up some very good critiques to Hill's letter, mainly that Hill somewhat created some attacks from the documentary that weren't there.  That being said, I think he went a little too far in taking Hill's open letter as a representation of what all affluent, upper class American's think and feel.  Take this for example:

"And the letter itself is not vitriolic. But more than a cogent response to Rose's words, Hill's letter -- and especially the nearly universal toasts to it -- stands as another testament to the time in which we live, one in which the affluent manage to see themselves as put upon and put down."

Just a few topics down the board there is a post discussing how "everyone" thinks Hill is a "bitch" b/c of this response. Yet this writer claims a near "universal" toast to it.  I guess the public's opinion changes with whatever supports the person's argument.  Also, not really surprising that an essay from this source (website) would take this overblown controversy as an indictment on what is wrong with wealthy America.  Everyone has an opinion, and this guy happens to have the access to broadcast his to a wider audience. 

 

Appleseed

March 19th, 2011 at 1:09 AM ^

I thought Ta-Nehisi Coates of the Atlantic Monthly had a good series of posts on this also. His blog is also one of the only I've come across with an insightful comment section:

 

http://www.theatlantic.com/culture/archive/2011/03/jalen-roses-uncle-to…

 

http://www.theatlantic.com/culture/archive/2011/03/on-duke-hatred/72537/

 

http://www.theatlantic.com/culture/archive/2011/03/granted/72602/

L'Carpetron Do…

March 19th, 2011 at 3:51 AM ^

Excellent post and article.  Weiler is right - Hill took way too much umbrage to the slight to his own upbringing and showed little empathy for Jalen's background and how different it was from his.  It seemed like Hill didn't understand where Jalen was coming from.  And, I have always liked Grant Hill (loved him when I was a kid)  but he came across as a snob in his reply.  I think Jimmy, Juwan, Ray and Jalen came across as savvier, smarter and more down to Earth than Hill.

Jalen is right.  He was probably wrong to phrase it the way he did.  But  he was right - Duke did not recruit kids like him.  I don't know the specifics - but were Juwan or Jalen recruited by Duke?  If you are Jalen Rose, growing up in a single-parent household on the gritty streets of Detroit or Juwan Howard, raised by your grandmother in a housing project in Chicago, and you are a top 10 recruit - wouldn't you wonder why the #1 team and defending champion is not interested in you?  

Duke (for the most part) does do everything right and that is why they are respected.  But their attitude is precisely why they are hated. 

By the way - is Jimmy King the man or what?

Hoken's Heroes

March 19th, 2011 at 10:24 AM ^

This is what it was all about. Grant had an intact family. Parents that cared. Jalen was jealous as he was brought up like many black kids with a father that didn't care and a mom that struggled. That's how it is in 80%+ in the black community.

 

And to add insult to injury, Grant is still playing!

 

The other thing is that Jalen exec produced the movie. He knew exactly what was going to be said and how it was edited.

 

The upside is that Jalen now realizes how wrong he was. Black racism towards their own has to stop. Jalen should read Thomas Sowell and Walter Williams if he really wants to transcend his inner bigotry.

Mitch Cumstein

March 19th, 2011 at 10:33 AM ^

I don't know if I would go that far, but I agree that Jalen had to know it was going to be controversial/ potentially offensive before it was aired.  Either way, at this point I think it is an issue for Jalen and Hill, I think pretty much anyone with an opinion on the matter has stated it.

riverrat

March 19th, 2011 at 11:00 AM ^

80%? Where did you get that number?

And yes, Jimmy King is the man - I will always love the defensive job he did on Travis Ford in the UK semifinal...

I always thought Ray Jackson was a bit underrated, too...he was such a glue guy, doing little things very well...

 

 

 

Feat of Clay

March 19th, 2011 at 11:58 AM ^

Right, all black people must like each other. Blacks are not allowed to feel anything on the negative spectrum of human emotions, because that is intra-racial racism. If they can just hang together and feel infinite fondness and forgiveness for one another like we white people do, it would help them overcome so many if their other self-created problems.

stillMichigan

March 19th, 2011 at 12:10 PM ^

There's no way we slide under the radar on Sunday. We have got Duke's full attention thanks to all this crap and they would love to pummel us, not that they will but they are entirely capable. Thanks again Fab Five. 

The Doc was good and I understand what Jalen was getting at that it was all in the past, but Jimmy King's "99 problems...." tweet seems like it was antagonistic . Please Fab's....  let it rest for the sake of this current  M anti-Fab team that has a huge order on Sunday. It's gonna be hard enough.