Five-star offensive linemen: a brief history

Five-star offensive linemen: a brief history

Submitted by Yeoman on November 21st, 2013 at 1:54 PM

I thought it might be useful to have some information on the trajectory of highly-touted offensive line recruits, so here's a table of all HS o-line recruits rated five-stars at Rivals from 2003 to 2011. (I didn't include recruits getting five stars out of juco.)

Some questions on my mind as I put this together:

  1. A lot of recruits are touted as "college-ready", but how many actually are?
  2. Is there a point in a career where the writing is on the wall?
  3. What's the eventual hit rate? How many are drafted? How many never even become starters?

First the table, then some comments. And I welcome corrections--it wasn't always easy to get good bio information.

Player

Year 1

Year 2

Year 3

Year 4

Year 5

Draft

Cyrus Kouandijo, Alabama

played in 8 games

starter at LT

starter at LT

x

x

x

La'el Collins, LSU

played in 7 games

starter at LG

starter at LT

x

x

x

Seantel Henderson, Miami

9 starts at RT

2 starts after offseason back surgery

7 starts after suspension and preseason car accident

started 5 of 10 games

x

x

Robert Crisp, North Carolina State

started first game, then mostly played special teams

2 starts at RT

7 starts at LT, injured back

2 starts at LT

x

x

Mason Walters, Texas

played one game, medical redshirt

starter at RG

starter at RG

starter at RG

starter at RG

x

Bobbie Massie, Mississippi

5 starts at RT

starter at RT

starter at RT

entered draft

x

4th round

Mike Adams, Ohio State

played in 5 games

4 starts at LT

starter at LT, all-conference

7 starts at LT

x

2nd round

Baker Steinkuhler, Nebraska

redshirt, moved to defense

2nd team DT

starter at DT

starter at DT, injured late in season

x

undrafted

Matt Kalil, USC

redshirt

1 start at RT

starter at LT

starter at LT, all-conference, AP all-American

entered draft

4th pick

Mike Brewster, Ohio State

starter at C

starter at C

starter at C, all-conference

starter at C

x

undrafted

Matt Patchan, Florida

1 start at DT

played 4 games at OT, then injured

medical redshirt

7 starts at RT, then injured again

transferred to Boston College, starter at LT

x

Tyron Smith, USC

backup LT

starter at RT

starter at RT, all-conference

entered draft

x

9th pick

Stephen Good, Oklahoma

played 7 games at T

7 starts at LT and RT

2 starts at G

backup G

x

undrafted

Tyler Love, Alabama

medical redshirt

played 6 games at T

played 5 games

played 2 games

x

undrafted

Jermaine Johnson, Miami

redshirt

played 1 game

played 4 games, left team midseason

x

x

undrafted

James Wilson, Florida

redshirt

played 10 games

4 starts at LG

1 start at LG, injured knee, medical redshirt

starter at LG (and again his 6th year)

undrafted

Tray Allen, Texas

played 9 games

played 11 games at T

played 11 games at G

redshirt due to foot injury

6 starts at LT

undrafted

Ryan Miller, Colorado

7 starts at RT

4 starts at RT, broke fibula, medical redshirt

starter at RG and RT

starter at RG

starter at RG

5th round

Kristopher O'Dowd, USC

3 starts at C

starter at C

started 7 games at C, injured knee and shoulder

starter at C

x

undrafted

Bruce Campbell, Maryland

1 start at LT

7 starts at LT

starter at LT

entered draft

x

4th round

Sam Young, Notre Dame

starter at RT

starter at RT and LT

starter at RT

starter at RT

x

6th round

Andre Smith, Alabama

starter at LT

starter at LT, all-conference

starter at LT, unanimous all-American

entered draft

x

6th pick

Stephen Schilling, Michigan

redshirt

starter at RT and RG

starter at RT

starter at LG

starter at LG

6th round

Carl Johnson, Florida

redshirt

played 11 games

8 starts at LG

starter at LT

starter at LG

undrafted

Eugene Monroe, Virginia

played as lineman on PATs and FGs

6 starts at LT

starter at LT

starter at LT, all-conference

x

8th pick

Reginald Youngblood, Miami

played 8 games as backup LT

7 starts at LT, injured ankle and knee

occasional starter at T, injured

injured (if anyone can find career stats, I'd be grateful)

x

undrafted

Alex Boone, Ohio State

3 starts

10 starts at LT

starter at LT

starter at LT

x

undrafted

Jeff Byers, USC

4 starts at LG

hip injury, redshirt

back injury, medical redshirt

starter at LG

starter at LG, and again for 6th year

undrafted

Jorrie Adams, Texas A&M

backup defensive lineman

arrested, dismissed from team

x

x

x

undrafted

Ofa Mohetau, BYU

8 starts at G

transferred to juco

transferred to Texas Tech, occasional starter at LG

left school, became MMA fighter

x

undrafted

Derek Morris, North Carolina St.

transferred from Ohio State

5 starts at RT

8 starts at RT

10 starts at RT

entered draft

undrafted

Martin O'Donnell, Illinois

redshirt

10 starts at LG

10 starts at LG

starter at LG

starter at LG

undrafted

Justin Blalock, Texas

redshirt

starting RT

starting RT

starting RT, all-conference

starting RT, consensus all-American

2nd round

Nathan Rhodes, Washington

injured, never entered school

x

x

x

x

undrafted

Brandon Jefferies, Tennessee

redshirt

did not play.

transferred to North Carolina State, did not play

juco

starter at D2 Newberry College

undrafted

 

 

What's the eventual hit rate? How many are drafted? How many never even become starters?

Of 35 players, there have been three all-Americans and two others were consensus all-conference. I'm guessing we might be adding Kouandjio and Collins to that list soon.

39% of the players that have reached draft age were drafted.

Four of the 38 never started an FBS-level game. Three started early in their careers but for varying reasons fell off the depth chart.

 

A lot of recruits are touted as "college-ready", but how many actually are?

Six of the 35 started more than half of their team's games their first year. It's an interesting group: there's one future all-American (Andre Smith), three quality 4-year starters (Brewster, Young, Miller), one checkered career but the jury is still out (Henderson), and one that gave up football for mixed martial arts (Mohetau).

Except for the over-representation of four-year starters (well, duh) this doesn't look all that different from the overall results.

There doesn't seem to be any significant long-term difference between the players that redshirt and those that don't, either. Ten of the 35 redshirted--of those, three were busts, two became all-Americans, the other five were all quality starters (one on defense). One of the busts was a medical redshirt and the injury seems to have been the reason his career didn't work out. The Jefferies redshirt may have been related to the eventual reasons he never played, too.

 

Is there a point in a career where the writing is on the wall?

I think we can safely say that if you aren't starting by your third year in the program, there's cause for concern. A couple of players were able to recover from injuries (Byers, Patchan), but otherwise there are only two players on the list that weren't regular starters their third year and ever made it to the top of the depth chart: Tray Allen got a few starts his senior year; the one success story here was James Wilson, who had five starts in four years including a second redshirt but then was a starter for his 5th and 6th seasons. Maybe he should be included with Byers and Patchan though.

An interesting pair in this respect are the two '08 USC recruits, Tyron Smith and Matt Kalil. They were competing against each other from the start, and Smith won the early rounds, getting playing time his freshman year while Kalil was redshirted and starting ahead of Kalil their second year. But the next year they competed for the LT slot and Kalil won, with Smith moved to RT. And it was Kalil, not Smth, that became an all-American. Of course we're talking about the difference between the fourth pick in the draft and the ninth....

Twelve of the 35 had double-digit starts their second year. Andre Smth was all-conference; he was unique. All of the eventual draftees got at least one start their second year, though in Kalil's case it was precisely one.

Kalis's early career is very much in line with this list. I don't see any particular reason for alarm at this point. If he doesn't win a job next year I'll be worried; I'll also be excited about whoever has beaten him out.

NFL Cutdown day

NFL Cutdown day

Submitted by Real Tackles Wear 77 on September 3rd, 2011 at 11:15 PM

...not too kind to some former Wolverines. Steve Schilling cut by the Chargers, as well as a few players from years before in there. I was surprised, as it seems like getting picked, even in the 6th round, means the team really likes some things about you. Hopefully he can catch on elsewhere, I think he could be a serviceable guard.

On a brighter note, Justin Boren cut by the Ravens.

 

http://espn.go.com/nfl/transactions

 

Senior Bowl Notes - Stephen Schilling

Senior Bowl Notes - Stephen Schilling

Submitted by oriental andrew on January 26th, 2011 at 2:25 PM

Saw some Senior Bowl notes on Stephen Schilling from Shutdown Corner:

I also liked what I saw from Michigan guard Stephen Schilling -- the guy definitely plays with a nasty streak and shows the technique you'd expect from a school with so much great offensive-line history. Representatives from the Washington Redskins, Baltimore Ravens and Kansas City Chiefs made sure to talk to Schilling after practice. A projected third-rounder at this time, Schilling could benefit greatly from the pre-draft process, especially as he shows zone teams his ability to hit the second level decidedly and in a hurry.

 

There were some other Big Ten players mentioned there and on other sites, like Ryan Kerrigan (apparently weighed in lighter than expected and started off slowly, but came back on Day 3); Gabe Carimi (strong and good technique, but not that athletic), Greg Jones (undersized, stiff, "tight-hipped"), Ricky Stanzi (not very accurate), and others.  

latest UM NFL scouting report (SI)

latest UM NFL scouting report (SI)

Submitted by blueheron on October 8th, 2010 at 7:35 AM

SI's Tony Pauline on Michigan's NFL prospects:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/bill_trocchi/10/07/michig…

That sounds great for Mouton and is in line with earlier reports from this year.

I thought this was off-base: "Schilling made an immediate impact as a freshman when he started at right tackle for the Wolverines."  He made an impact, I guess, but it wasn't necessarily a good one.  I think he's benefitted a lot from the coaching change.

Oh, and here's a snippet from the Eric Gordon review that must warm the hearts of all the Dantonio-loving, Family Values types (some of whom are Michigan fans and RichRod haters): "... brings his lunch pail to every game ..."  Man, I sure wish *we* had some guys like that (instead of dreadlocked hoodlums).

All Big Ten

All Big Ten

Submitted by RagingBean on November 23rd, 2009 at 8:24 PM

Just wanted to report that Brandon Graham, Donovan Warren, and The emperor of Space were all named 1st Team Big Ten by both the media and coaches. Kudos to them! Schilling also got some honorable mention from both groups.

Congrats all around!