OT: The best _________ you ever saw live

OT: The best _________ you ever saw live

Submitted by JeepinBen on June 8th, 2017 at 3:13 PM

I figured I'd ask the board for their bragging/lucky break/amazing viewing experiences. Who was the best ______ you've ever seen live? Many with lucky timing can say they saw Tom Brady when he was in college, the best NFL QB. Who was the best pitcher you ever saw at an MLB game? Who saw Desmond return a punt? What about the best basketball player you've seen? In obvious answers, the best 5'7" goalie we've ever seen was tiny Jesus. Any other GOATs you've been lucky enough to have tickets to? Tales you'll tell the grandkids?

Who else has their Harbaugh?

Who else has their Harbaugh?

Submitted by JeepinBen on February 24th, 2017 at 8:27 AM
Here's some Linda Richmond Coffee Talk for your Friday morning:
What other program has had a very successful prodigal son type come back to coach and also succeed? (Yes, 20 wins in two years is success, the fact that some M fans are upset just means we're back)
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I can think of a couple. I think Spurrier fit the bill for Florida (Heisman winner, came back and coached to a MNC).
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Also in our non-active category I'd put Da Coach Mike Ditka (hall of fame, NFL champ tight end comes back to coach Superbowl champs). 
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In terms of active coaches, the only one in my mind is Northwestern and Fitzgerald. Success may be measured differently there, but he's one of their best players and one of their best coaches ever. Anyone else fit the bill? 
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OT: Pop Culture Misses

OT: Pop Culture Misses

Submitted by JeepinBen on April 21st, 2016 at 10:25 AM

somewhat slow day on the board, so here's a thread to say what we've missed out on (For now). These typically double as good "Never have I ever" drinking game options but, anyway - what major pop culture stuff have you missed out on? now? Recently? "Back in the day"? Looking for things that were hugely popular that for, whatever reason, you never saw/heard/got into. (Feedback might also give you direction for your next Netflix binge, or your next set of concert tickets)

Mine are mostly large or small screen. I have never seen:

  • The Sopranos
  • Breaking Bad
  • The Wire
  • The Walking Dead
  • Titanic
  • Avatar

And besides Breaking Bad and The Wire, most people don't seem to think I've missed out on much. What are the things that you've (purposely or not) avoided in recent pop culture?

On Turnovers and Randomness

On Turnovers and Randomness

Submitted by ZooWolverine on August 21st, 2012 at 2:22 AM


(tl;dr? Skip to the Conclusion at the bottom)

After a lot of discussion on this site about how random turnovers are, I decided to look at them in more detail. My hypothesis was that, while turnovers as a whole may appear very random, individual components of turnovers might be much less random. For example, as has been discussed before, once a fumble is on the ground it appears to be very random who recovers it. But what if causing a fumble is not random at all? The randomness of recovering the fumble might still obscure that fact if you only look at turnover margin.

I decided to look at five components of turnover margin: interceptions gained, interceptions lost, fumbles when on offense, fumbles when on defense, and fumble recovery rate.



I used whole-year statistics and compared the change from one season to the previous, using a total of 6 seasons worth of data. In college football there are, of course, many factors that change from year-to-year, but if there’s very little luck involved, I would still expect to see a decent correlation from year to the next. For simplicity, I assumed a linear relationship between stats from one year and the following year, so the analysis used linear regression, a simple but reasonably robust model.

The R-Squared statistics (simply the correlation squared) gives us an understanding of how much the variability is accounted for by our model. In simpler terms: how much is success in the stat from one year accounted for by the success from the year before?

All data was obtained from www.teamrankings.com. Data was always rounded to the nearest tenth by the source—because interception and fumble frequency are fairly low, this rounding may have a larger-than-ideal impact on the results; if anything, I would expect that should in general impact the results negatively (make them appear more random).



I next look at those five components of turnover margin: interceptions gained, interceptions lost, fumbles when on offensive, fumbles when on defense, and fumble recovery rate. The R-Squared values are:
Interceptions Gained: 0.057
Interceptions Lost: 0.049
Fumbles on Offense: 0.016
Fumbles on Defense: 0.001
Fumble Recovery Rate: 0.003 (the correlation is actually negative)

The first result that jumps out at us is that interceptions appear much more repeatable/less random than fumbles. Interceptions gained and lost in the previous year account for about 5% of the success the following year, compared to under 2% for the number of fumbles on offense. Fumbles on defense and fumble recovery rate appear almost completely random.

(For those still unconvinced that fumble recovery rate is almost completely random, the best team from each year did decently at best the following year--Michigan was 1st in 2006 but 47th in 2007, which tied for the best performance by a returning #1.)


Providing Context by Analyzing the Optimum

The previous analysis tells us a lot about how repeatable results from one year are, but it doesn’t really tell us about how much is skill vs luck: after all, stats in a college sport ought to vary a lot from year-to-year: there is player development, new players, potential coaching changes, different strengths of schedule, and many other factors.

To provide an optimal baseline, I also looked at offensive and defensive yards per game. Intuitively, that’s a statistic that should be very greatly influenced by skill (though there are certainly amble sources of other influence, including luck). This will provide context by helping us understand what kind of change we should expect to see due to year-to-year variance (player or coaching changes, player development, changes in strength of schedule, etc.) instead of due to randomness.

For offensive yards per game, the R-Squared value is 0.243, while for defensive yards given up per game, the R-Squared value is 0.275.

Roughly 25% of success being accounted for by the previous year’s success is not very high, but that’s not a surprise—again, there is lots of change from one year to another. What this is helpful for is to provide context: even if turnovers are very skill-based, we would still only expect an R-Squared of .25.



There are two ways to view the turnover margin numbers: the first is viewing them in isolation. Even the best component of turnover margin, interceptions gained per game, is not very repeatable: success one year accounts for under 6% of success the following year.

The second way is to view them in comparison to the yards-per-game stats. With this perspective, interception rates on both sides of the ball are a little under one-quarter as repeatable as yardage. If we assume that yards-per-game is heavily impacted by skill, interception rates are likely fairly impacted by skill as well. I would hypothesize that within a given season, teams that are good with interceptions on either side of the ball will be likely to continue being good.

Fumbles seem to be much less skill-oriented. Fumbles lost is less than 1/15th as repeatable as yards-per-game. Fumbles forced on defense and the fumble recovery rate are almost completely random. (What this really says is that almost all teams are roughly equally good, not actually that there’s no skill in forcing or recovering fumbles.)

With total yardage, since 75% of success remains unaccounted for by the previous year’s success, we’d expect that it’s made up of two different things: randomness and other factors. If offensive yards per game is, indeed, not very random, that means outside factors (returning starters, returning coaches/schemes, different strengths of schedule) will have a large influence. This is important—we may be able to take some of these into account to improve the prediction we’d get based on just the previous year’s results.

Likewise, while interceptions are not very repeatable overall, they’re still about one-fourth as repeatable as our optimum. In a very rough estimate, we might then guess that outside factors also have one-fourth the strength with interceptions. Thus, if up to 75% of yardage success is outside factors, then up to 18% of success in interceptions is accounted for by those factors (this is very rough, since the factors may be quite different, or at least have different impact). That would leave roughly 76% of even the most skill-based category as random (100% - 6% based on previous year – 18% based on outside influences). The same rough calculation gives 5% of offensive fumbles based on outside factors, and 93% based on chance.

In summary, there is definitely some repeatability in three of the five turnover factors, but even the best of those still has under 6% repeatability, and by a very rough estimate, is still 76% random.


Implications for Michigan

In 2011, Michigan was 34th overall in turnover margin per game, with +0.4. That’s good, but not amazing, despite Michigan’s stellar fumble recovery rate.

There are three factors I’ve identified and tried to account for: repeatability based on the previous year, outside factors, and chance.

Statistical repeatability bodes poorly for the Wolverines, unfortunately: the two most repeatable categories were the two at which Michigan did worst: Michigan was 82nd and 89th in interceptions gained and interceptions lost, respectively. Michigan’s best two categories, fumbles on defense (28th) and fumble recovery rate (1st) are basically random. In the fifth category, fumbles on offense, Michigan was a decent 42nd.

The second factor is really a category: outside factors, which probably impact interceptions the most. This seems positive for the Wolverines: returning Denard and the defensive backs, plus a coaching staff (an outside factor that would have pulled last year’s number down). Michigan’s biggest loss is Junior Hemingway, who certainly bailed Michigan out a few times last year.

The last category is randomness, which appears to have a very large impact on even the most skilled category, and complete control over a couple of them, meaning any real prediction is fairly foolish. To be a little foolish, then, I’d guess that interception categories improve to above average (say low 40s), but overall turnover margin gets worse, dropping to the 50s. However, I have only slightly more confidence than I do when calling a coin toss.

OT - Friday what's goin on open thread

OT - Friday what's goin on open thread

Submitted by JeepinBen on May 25th, 2012 at 9:24 AM

Evidently I'm bored this morning before Profit so he should consider his thunder stolen like Seattle


What's everyone doing on this day before a long weekend? It's gorgeous here in Chicago, 70-80 and sunny. Staying at the desk is going to be rough today, as is the 9 miles I've got to do between tonight and tomorrow to train for a half marathon. Anyone have fun vacation plans? Or have today off so the rest of us can live vicariously though you?

EDIT: and thank you to nmumike for the reminder about how this isn't just a long weekend, Memorial Day is important in and of its self. Take some time to remember/thank those who are serving and have served.

[EDIT:  Negged to Bolivian for stealing my thunder.  Points will return in 10 minutes.]


Random Fan Observations of the Season

Random Fan Observations of the Season

Submitted by Blazefire on October 11th, 2011 at 11:32 PM

While wawtching early games this past weekend on Saturday, I had a number of random observations about the 2011 season, and I thought I'd see what your observations have been as well.

I decided that after M and Toledo (Alma Mater), Minnesota would be my random program to cheer for.It just seems so unfair, and perhaps my support will help. Also, I'd have loved to make some sort of a post about KILLing HOPE. Sigh, perhaps next year. Until then, "Keep fighting, little buddies."

ESPN makes some funky choices for games to show. Minn-Purdue? Seriously? Were you trying to kill your announcing crew by subjecting them to that?

Indiana will find success under their new coach, but he'll still get canned long before Ron Zook runs out of smoke and mirrors to hide behind. Illinois fans are too confused about what is up with their coach to know what to do.

Most proud moment as a Wolverine?

Most proud moment as a Wolverine?

Submitted by Noleverine on August 4th, 2011 at 4:51 AM

It's been a slow couple of news days aside from the BBQ and Wormley committing (glad you finally chose the good guys), so I decided to raise a question to the board: what is your most proud moment being associated with the University of Michigan?

My time of being associated with UM has been filled with an enormous amount of pride.  Every time I see the block M, whether on a t-shirt, a campus building, or anywhere else, I can feel the pride swell within me.  Even despite how things have gone recently in football, I still take every opportunity I have to talk about Michigan-- football, basketball, and general scholastic endeavors.  Whenever I do speak of UM, I do so with a smile and a sparkle in my eye, as I am speaking about the greatest University in the world.

For me, the most proud moment had to be when I got accepted to Michigan.  I grew up in NY, but had always loved UM.  It had always existed as an ideal for me, but one I did not think was reasonably attainable.  My brother was a law student at UM, and he talked me in to applying (I was reluctant to waste the application fee only to not get in).  I was on campus visiting him and the school, when I got a call from the University saying I was accepted.  I was all alone in his apartment, so I was forced to dance and laugh maniacally to myself (the neighbors must have been concerned).

When I returned home, I was brimming with excitement.  I had made my decision as soon as the admissions counselor told me I was accepted, and made a point to share my joy with everyone.  The most common response I received was "Michigan?!?!? AWESOME!!." Being from a small town in NY, most people from my HS went to SUNY schools.  Our valedictorian even went to a SUNY school (nothing against them, but in a town like mine it's hard to leave).   So when people started making their decisions, college t-shirts started to become a part of every senior's wardrobe.  I wore the maize and blue daily, counting down the hours until I could get on campus.  And every time someone saw me with the block M, I could see that they understood why I walked around with my head held high and the biggest smile on my face, ever.

So, I will reiterate my question: what is your most proud moment?

OT - Auburn Themed Stock Car at Talladega

OT - Auburn Themed Stock Car at Talladega

Submitted by clarkiefromcanada on April 17th, 2011 at 1:38 PM

I was enjoying some NASCAR at Talladega until I saw this Auburn themed car driven by Michael Waltrip...

Apparently, Gene Chizik was the Grand Marshall. Feel free to quote this photo...

Gene Chizik: "I told Cam Newton's dad that even for 200 grand he couldn't keep the stock car"

OT: Lets talk about anything other than The Sadness

OT: Lets talk about anything other than The Sadness

Submitted by Noleverine on April 10th, 2011 at 1:48 AM

We all know what happened tonight.  It sucks the big one. But I created this thread so we can talk about anything BUT the game to help us get our minds off of it.  I can't dwell on it anymore without plummeting into the depths of sadness, and the only way to be pulled out again is by winning a Nat'l Championship.

I will start: How much wood would a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood?