Rational MSU fans, your thoughts for this weekend

Rational MSU fans, your thoughts for this weekend

Submitted by Moleskyn on October 10th, 2011 at 4:46 PM

I know there are a few users around here who have established themselves as rational MSU fans. I've seen some pretty unbelievable comments in other places (no links, you go to these places at your own risk) about how Michigan is so over-rated and MSU is going to kill us, so I'm interested in hearing some more rational insights. So, this is for you. After seeing how we handled our first away game, what are your thoughts for this weekend? Homerism aside, do you agree with the odds placing MSU as the favorite?

 

Coming up with a good nickname for the UM-MSU game ("Sibling Rivalry"?)

Coming up with a good nickname for the UM-MSU game ("Sibling Rivalry"?)

Submitted by Communist Football on October 7th, 2010 at 9:28 AM

(I edited the title of the post to reflect the fact that "Sibling Rivalry" appears to have taken off -- see comments below.)

It seems we now call the UM-OSU game "The Game" -- which to me was always Harvard vs. Yale, but Wikipedia says we can share it.

But what do we call the MSU game? I've heard some people call it the "Backyard Brawl" but to me that is Pitt-West Virginia. Come on people, we're Michigan, surely we don't have to borrow other games' nicknames? I'm thinking the MGoCommunity can come up with a better one.

Keith Jackson called it "The Annual Ruckus" UM-MSU in the intro to the 1990 UM-MSU game (the one in which Desmond Howard got tripped going for the two-point conversion at the end).

It's at the 0:30 mark of this video:

Who knows, maybe it's a dumb idea. But if Keith Jackson can name the Big House, perhaps he can also name the UM-MSU game? Or maybe Little Brother is so lame we shouldn't give them the credit of trying to name the game. Thoughts?

"Captain Kirk Just Needs to Steer a Steady MSU Ship"

"Captain Kirk Just Needs to Steer a Steady MSU Ship"

Submitted by Search4Meaning on October 6th, 2010 at 8:55 PM

Direct from SpartanMag.com - the inside strategy on QB play for Saturday...

"So while the 6 foot, 193-pound Robinson will be required to continue his spectacular ways, Cousins will just need to be steady.  Chances are, he will not be called on to win.  Just not lose with poor decisions."

In another revealing quote, Cousins says, "I got a pretty up-close a personal account of what the rivalry is all about when I was in seventh grade in 2001,'' he said. "That was when Jeff Smoker completed the pass here at Spartan Stadium to T.J. Duckett to win the game."

Do any of us remember that play?

Link:  http://michiganstate.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1135306

EDIT:  "Bonus link - if you can call it that...  http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news?slug=ap-t25-michiganst-cousi…

 

 

2001 UM-MSU Observations

2001 UM-MSU Observations

Submitted by AC1997 on October 6th, 2010 at 2:58 AM

Tonight I got home from a really late softball game to find the BTN playing the 2001 Michigan versus Michigan State game.  Against my better judgment, I stayed up to watch it.  Here are some stream of consciousness thoughts from watching the replay of this game:

  • Is there something wrong with me if I get animated, angry, and frustrated over a game that happened 9 years ago?  Can you really get pissed at officials for something that happened that long ago? 
  • Well, I am.  These officials sucked.  The lack of holding penalties being called on the MSU offensive line was astounding - and I'm not talking about the last play of the game.  On the first drive of the game (a TD set up by a fake punt pass interference call) there were three instances where a Michigan defender had their jersey being pulled in the middle of a play and no calls were made.
  • Now I remember how much I hate Charles Rogers.  Granted, much of that stems from his Lions' tenure.  He got two gift PI penalties that set up touchdowns for MSU.  The first was on the fake punt and it didn't surprise me that they called it, but the contact was minimal.  The second was on a great play by Cato June in the endzone where Gary Danielson seemed to think it was obvious but to me it looked like a great play. 
  • On that second one Danielson actually said, "This is a college player (June) covering an NFL player (Rogers)".  Little did he know that June would have an infinitely better NFL career than Rogers. 
  • The first TD of the game for MSU was a great throw by Smoker and a great catch by Rogers.  On that play Marlin Jackson had perfect coverage - you just couldn't stop the perfect throw and catch.
  • Remember when we had kickers we could trust?  Okay, Hayden Epstein had his share of gaffes in his career, but in this game he nailed a record 57-yard FG.
  • Believe it or not, I witnessed Todd Howard breaking up two passes in this game.  Since I assumed he was born without hands or fingers this was shocking to me.  There is video evidence of this. 
  • Marquis Walker was a total stud of a WR.  I'm still stunned that he never even got a cup of coffee in the NFL.  I know he was slowish, but he had such amazing hands and dominated in this game.  He had over 130 yards in the first half including two touchdowns.  And he was doing it without help - Navarre was still a raw sophomore and the other receivers were Ron Belamy, Calvin Bell and Tyrice Butler. 
  • Ironically, the ref instructed the clock operator to give Michigan back 3 seconds at the end of the first half.  That might have been useful after two consecutive 12-yard runs by BJ Askew if Lloyd wouldn't have gone conservative (SHOCK!) and ate up 20 seconds doing nothing before trying two down field passes. 
  • The lack of recognizable names on the offensive and defensive lines for Michigan is really shocking. 
  • If I have to hear Brent Musberger compare TJ Duckett to Jerome Bettis one more time I will slam my fingers in a car door. Granted, TJ did destroy us in this game.  And Michigan was leading the nation in run defense when this game took place. 
  • Navarre really killed us with two horrible interceptions.  In both cases he had all day and just threw directly into coverage.  Navarre turned out to be a solid QB by the end of his career, but he deserved some of the criticism his first couple of years. 
  • Despite the lack of big names in the Michigan front seven they got a ton of pressure on the QB (something we'd love to see this year).  They had ten sacks through three quarters! 
  • TJ Ducket with 8 minutes to go in the game had over 200 yards rushing and was averaging 8 yards per carry.  But the genius that is Bobby Williams took him out after they got inside the 20 and three straight runs went no where and forced an MSU FG to take a 20-17 lead.  You wonder why that guy didn't last as a head coach.
  • Michigan's offense was a disaster in the second half.  Four punts and two interceptions, with only 61 total yards.  The sad thing is that the OL, despite their no-name status, kept Navarre clean all day.  He had tons of time to throw and just struggled in the second half against a depleted MSU secondary.
  • I had totally forgot that Jermaine Gonzalez, the back-up QB at the time, caught the go-ahead TD for Michigan on a third and long .  He looked so shocked to have caught the TD that he didn't know what to do when he went to celebrate with his teammates. 
  • On the critical 4th and 16 at the end of the game Michigan literally double covered Charles Rogers.  They lined up two corners in front of him like they were covering a punt gunner.....and LeSeuer blew it with the facemask penalty.  Game was over without that stupidity.
  • Rogers had a game winning TD catch in his hands on a great throw right after the 4th down play and he just dropped it.  He toasted Marlin Jackson and the safety was late arriving.  He dropped the next pass to him too.  They should have drug tested him at the half I guess.
  • How could Michigan get a blatant 12-men on the field penalty with 36 seconds left?  It wasn't even a guy running off the field - they had 12 people lined up to play! 
  • Something I also failed to notice was that MSU used its last timeout on the final drive when Smoker was sacked.  But the penalty for 12-men was called on that play, meaning that MSU wouldn't have needed to call time-out.  But they didn't get it back obviously and should have lost the game when the clock ran out.
  • Gary Danielson at the last play, "It is nice to have that home clock operator for that last play." 
  • I have never seen a worse hold on a play than on the winning play.  Wow......amazing. 

Okay - why did I stay up to watch this again?  I hope we crush Sparty this week.....

Dantonio Apparently Feeling Great

Dantonio Apparently Feeling Great

Submitted by Michiganguy19 on October 5th, 2010 at 11:53 AM

I won't link to the freep:

 

Mark Hollis tweeted this Monday night: "Coach D is feeling great. If his doctor gives the green light, he will be at the game Saturday."
 
I am not surprised by this in the slightest. The setback he experienced last week with the blood clot is apparently not that uncommon. And it looks like he should be back with the team to provide them with an emotional lift. 
 
Mark Hollis is @MSUAD on Twitter.