Nice MnB piece on the need for Michigan fans to have patience

Nice MnB piece on the need for Michigan fans to have patience

Submitted by KennyHiggins on September 18th, 2017 at 2:26 PM

Pretty well said, I think.  I understand the hand-wringing about the offensive woes, but it does help to remember the age of these kids and the challenges they are dealing with.

As the Dad of two college kids, mistakes and growth from them are key parts of the experience.  I have an unwavering confidence in this coaching staff - including the O staff.

https://www.maizenbrew.com/2017/9/18/16328516/open-letter-fans-michigan…

 

ESPN's Luginbill Predicts Top 5 Impact Freshmen, includes Derrick Green

ESPN's Luginbill Predicts Top 5 Impact Freshmen, includes Derrick Green

Submitted by Bo_Knows on May 22nd, 2013 at 3:51 PM

We all hope / expect Green to make some impact his freshmen year, and ESPN's Luginbill agrees:

Simply put, Green is better than what Michigan has in the backfield right now and is a perfect fit for an offense that desperately wants to get back to power football and a heavy downhill run game. In addition to fitting that profile, we expect a minimal learning curve for him in the passing game and pass protection. Michigan will be better at quarterback with Devin Gardner, and Green might become Gardner's new best friend if he can take pressure off the passing game.

Link?  LINK

 

*edit:  Corrected the spelling of Luginbill's name.  Man, my vision is getting to be awful.  h/t Ron Utah

Get to know the Freshmen

Get to know the Freshmen

Submitted by StephenRKass on August 8th, 2012 at 6:23 PM

Mgoblue again has a fluff feature entitled "Get to Know the 2012 Freshmen."  (LINK:  http://www.mgoblue.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/080612aab.html.)

Highlighted today are Freshmen Jeremy Clark, Blake Bars, and Drake Johnson. Like last year, I assume they will continue this feature on a regular basis. There are snippets of personal interest attached to each of them, and a link to bio info.

On a completely different note, ESPN has up an article on Urban Meyer and a shift in his values, supposedly now balancing home and work (better than when at Florida.) (LINK:  http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/8239451/ohio-state-coach-urban-meyer-new-commitment-balancing-work-family-life.) Personally, this article hits home, because I too often have not spent enough time with my wife and children. A good reminder for moms and dads to keep priorities in place.

Question - When do you try to get a freshman time?

Question - When do you try to get a freshman time?

Submitted by Blazefire on August 20th, 2010 at 8:17 AM

So, this thought came up to me while considering Devin Gardner, and I thought I would put it all to you. We all know you use a redshirt if a kid isn't ready to play, is injured, or is a freshman at a position of depth. So here's a question that occurred to me.

What would you do if you had a freshman early enrollee who was obviously very talented, had worked very hard, was ready to play at least a limited role, and came to you telling you that playing is his reward for working so hard, it's the only reason he worked so hard, and he wants to play, but you had plenty of upper classmen at the position? The kid is realistic about his pro chances, in that, if he's good enough to be a pro, three/four years spent starting versus two/three years starting and a year with limited playing time isn't going to make a difference, and so there will be no convincing him to save that show off time.

What do you do? You know he won't hurt the team to play, but he's also not going to be a tangible improvement over the upper classmen. Do you tell him no, and in doing so, possibly remove or reduce his motivation for trying? Do you tell him yes and lose depth at the position four years down the road to motivate him this year, and at the cost of playing time for your upper classmen?

2010 Football, Injuries, & freshmen

2010 Football, Injuries, & freshmen

Submitted by StephenRKass on March 22nd, 2010 at 10:54 AM

I have read a good part of the posts and threads on being dead right and dead wrong on 2010 football. Interesting, and some good points.

I believe we will have a winning season. The experience, seasoning, and continuity with Gerg as the DC will make a difference.

However, there are at least two variable factors that make it impossible to predict whether we have six wins or nine.

First, it is impossible to predict injuries. As we saw with Molk last year, and with the running backs to some degree, critical injuries are especially bad for Michigan, because of our lack of depth. If we largely remain healthy through the season, I believe we will be on the upper end (eight or nine wins.) On the other hand, if we have significant line injuries, if Tate & Denard go down, if our fastest receivers go down, we could be sunk. Of course, our opponents will have to deal with their own injuries, another variable affecting the W-L column.

Second, it is impossible to predict the ability of the incoming freshman class, and even to some degree the red-shirt freshman and early enrollees now going through Spring Practice. We will have a clue after the next month of practice, but only a clue. You just don't know for sure until guys are on the field. For instance, I remember criticism when Mike Hart was recruited and given a scholarship. He definitely proved the naysayers wrong.

If we can survive this year, each subsequent year should improve. The reason is that our depth will improve, and we will be able to bring solid players in off the bench. In fact, even this coming season, if we can make it to at least the half-way point with few injuries, the incoming freshman will be better prepared to step in and contribute. In our secondary last year, the lack of depth was disastrous.

My best guess is 7 or 8 wins. However, if we stay healthy at all the critical positions, if we have a higher success rate among freshman then is typical, if turnovers go down, if one or two of our critical rivals have a devastating injury (or crime spree, etc.) we could go as high as 9 wins, even 10 with miracles. If we have terrible injuries ourself, we could go down to six wins. My hope, even if this happens, is that RR still gets another year. I have felt consistently that 2011 will be the critical year.

After two years with RR, I believe more strongly that the program was not in good health when he arrived. I think it is comparing apples to oranges to compare RR's record at WVa and Tulane to UofM. Because those programs didn't have the high expectations present at Michigan, he was able to make a much larger impact in a shorter amount of time.

Exciting Tidbits

Exciting Tidbits

Submitted by BleedingBlue on December 30th, 2008 at 12:15 PM

Reality Check - we have a top ten recruiting class right now, a kick-ass coach and tons of star-potential youngsters.

Excitement abounds
The stadium renovations (going to be loud!) and new practice facility (which will both be awe inspiring) will help recruiting even more next year.

We had an awesome recruiting class last year, with a ton of the kids redshirting. This means a bigger stronger faster meaner Roundtree, T-Rob, Omameh, Barnum, Smith, and Floyd to name a few.

Not to mention guys like Martin, Cissoko, Odoms, Shaw, Fitzgerald and Stonum all got a ton of experience by true freshman standards.

There is the potential to a top 5 recruiting class this year with a strong close (Campbell, Robinson, snake oil 1, snake oil 2).

Other reasons for excitement:

  • Brandon Graham destroying QB's (fingers and toes crossed)

  • Another off season of Barwisization
  • Brandon Minor and Carlos Brown destroying safeties and linebackers next year (over-under on Minor-caused concussions is 3.5)
  • Hemingway will be back
  • Offensive line that will be big-ten caliber with depth
  • Forcier and an improved/healthy Dual-Threet
  • Jonas Mouton's potential & Obi Ezeh being another year better
  • T-Rob and Gallon to help out Odoms
  • About 9 months to figure out who can return kicks without fumbling (freshmen?)
  • Incoming FG kicker that hits like a linebacker
  • And of course - Zoltan

Lots to be excited about if you ask me.

Discussion Topics:

  • Who are the top candidates to return kick-offs and punts?
  • What incoming freshmen will have the biggest impact?
    (Update - Picking Tate Forcier is cheating...not really and I agree he will have a big impact, but could it be someone else? For instance, I don't know anyone that thought Odoms would have had as big an impact as he did. Another good question would be, who do you guys think will be the biggest 'sleeper' impact player in the class next year?)

Comparing UM Freshmen QBs

Comparing UM Freshmen QBs

Submitted by AC1997 on October 23rd, 2008 at 9:16 AM

I wanted to try to put Steven Threet’s performance thus far
into perspective. Some people think he’s
a stiff who lathers his hands in butter before taking a snap. Others see him as a competent young QB who
can hold his own despite having the deck stacked against him with the depth
chart on offense. He’s probably
somewhere in between….so let’s find out.
One of my motivations has been that I’ve sensed Brian at MGoBlog souring
on him a lot in the past couple of weeks.
Obviously he isn’t Pat White in this offense, but he isn’t Ryan Mallett
either. Let me explain…..

 

I set out to compare his performance to other Michigan freshman
quarterbacks. It is at this point,
before even looking at a stat, where you can really understand Threet’s
situation. Freshman aren’t supposed to
play at that position. No matter how
good you are in high school, you’re not ready to start at a big-time college
program. Ask Jimmy Clausen. Ask Ryan Mallett. You can argue that Threet is a RED-shirt
freshman and not a TRUE freshman, but since graduating college he’s spent a few
months at Georgia Tech, a few months under Lloyd Carr, and a few months under
Rodriguez. Not exactly a masters course
in preparation for this season.

 

There are only two circumstances where a freshman QB is likely
to succeed:

  1. He’s a
    freakish athlete and can rely on his athleticism to make up for his mental
    and physical deficiencies. Pryor at
    OSU falls into this category. His
    passing stats are very modest and they’re keeping things really
    simple. He uses his legs to
    overcome his passing limitations.
  2. He’s
    surrounded by a talented, veteran team.
    This is the Chad Henne category.
    We saw in Henne’s sophomore year that he wasn’t the second coming
    of John Elway that we saw his freshman year. Why?
    Braylon Edwards. Henne knew
    that if he threw it near Braylon, he was likely to have a chance to catch
    it – no matter how mediocre the throw was.
    To some extent this applies to Pryor as well since he is starting
    behind a veteran offensive line with a Heisman quality RB.

 

Steven Threet has neither luxury. But how does he compare to other freshman
QB’s? If someone can dig up NCAA
statistics from all schools it would be really interesting. I took on just Michigan QB’s. And it wasn’t difficult – they barely play as
freshman. At this point through 7 games
Threet has thrown the second most passes of any freshman QB that I could find
in the recent history of the school.
Let’s look at them:

 

Season

Name

GP

ATT

COMP

PCT

TD

INT

YDS

Y/A

2008

Steven Threet

7

145

76

52.4

6

3

792

5.46

2007

Ryan Mallett

10

141

61

43.3

7

5

892

6.33

2004

Chad Henne

12

399

240

60.2

25

12

2743

6.87

2000

John Navarre

5

77

40

51.9

8

1

583

7.57

1995

Scott Dreisbach

4

106

56

52.8

3

3

850

8.02

1989

Elvis Grbac

8

116

73

62.9

8

3

824

7.10

 

I was surprised at Navarre’s stats. I remember him being horrible as a redshirt
freshman and single-handedly giving away the UCLA game. But his stats aren’t horrible. Obviously Henne is on a plane all of his own,
though his Y/A were lower than I expected considering the Braylon factor. Ryan Mallett sure was terrible, wasn’t
he?

 

If I’m not mistaken, Threet is the first one of those
players to be given the job out of necessity rather than due to an injury to a
more experienced player, though I can’t remember Grbac’s situation. I also mentioned the lack of a surrounding
cast. Here’s another chart comparing
those QB’s.

 

Year

Name

Top Offensive Skill Players

2008

Steven Threet

Matthews (Jr), Odoms (Fr),
Stonum (Fr), McGuffie (Fr), Minor (Jr)

2007

Ryan Mallett

Manningham (Jr), Arrington
(Jr), Hart (Sr), Matthews (So), Minor (So)

2004

Chad Henne

Edwards (Sr), Avant (Jr),
Breaston (So), Hart (Fr)

2000

John Navarre

Thomas (Sr), Terrell (Jr),
Walker (Jr), Perry (Fr)

1995

Scott Dreisbach

Biakabatuka (Jr), Toomer (Sr),
Hayes (Sr), Riemersma (Sr)

1989

Elvis Grbac

McMurtry (Sr), Calloway (Sr),
Boles (Jr), Hoard (Jr), Bunch (Jr), Howard (Fr), Alexander (Fr)

 

Wow, nostalgia. I’m
starting to wonder if Arrington’s departure hurt this offense more than anyone
else.

 

I’m going to limit the amount of conclusions I draw from
this information and leave it open to interpretation. Obviously missing from this data are the
number of fumbles and any rushing statistics.

 

My opinion from this information and from watching the games
is this – Threet is not a very good quarterback right now, but he’s not a bad
one either. Unlike some areas of the
team he is showing progress from week-to-week and compares favorably to other
freshmen at his position. The
quarterback position is a problem for the team, but the problem is mostly due
to a lack of depth and experience – not directly because Steven Threet is
incapable of leading the team to victory.
Threet is raw and inconsistent, but he’s competent and should develop
into a solid QB in time. There is little
in my limited analysis that shows he’s worse than most of those other
guys. What Michigan lacks is a capable experienced QB
(Jason Forcier?) who could hold down the fort this season.

 

Let’s give Threet time and the benefit of the doubt…….and do
whatever we can to keep Sheridan
off the field.