Semi OT: Lane Kiffin Proves Coaches Poll Is Dumb

Semi OT: Lane Kiffin Proves Coaches Poll Is Dumb

Submitted by smwilliams on August 10th, 2012 at 8:46 PM

So, there's this big thing about Lane Kiffin telling people he didn't vote USC #1 in the Coaches' Poll and then USA Today comes out and says "yes, you certainly did". Now, whatever, I don't care, but the crucial part comes at the very end of the story.

Asked if he plans to file future ballots, Kiffin was apathetic.

"I don't really care," he said. "Really, it doesn't make sense to me. The coaches vote, and the coaches I know, the good ones, they don't watch other games. They're trying to worry about their own team, watching film.

"Yet we vote on who's best."

My (somewhat angry) question is this: Hasn't the BCS been using this poll as a primary factor in determining the two teams who play for the title every year?

Can somebody get a petition going to permanently end the poll?

JeepinBen's Football Playoff Proposal - December Madness

JeepinBen's Football Playoff Proposal - December Madness

Submitted by JeepinBen on January 11th, 2012 at 2:22 PM

Brian's front page post got me riled up enough to try to bang out a diary over my lunch hour. Please critique and suggest ways to make it better in the comments, I might mess up some numbers as I'm doing this quickly from memory. Here we go:

What is the most entertaining playoff in all of sports? March Madness. (MM for short in the diary) The NCAA already hosts (and keeps the revenue from) a ridiculously exciting tournament every year that has huge interest and kills productivity all over the US. It leaves us with an NCAA National Champion - something we don't currently have in football. So, since the NCAA has a very successful playoff structure, my playoff proposal is to simply scale it down and apply it to football:

BCS Problems: Small group picked, way of picking extremely messed up (see coaches' poll numbers etc.) Voters decide only 2 teams to "decide it on the field". Teams 3-8 in any given year are pissed, Ticket sales are down, TV #s are down, the NCAA receives no money from it, conferences lose money on it, etc.

MM Problems: Low attendance at early rounds, the refs still love Duke, Teams #65-68 (or whatever, I think of it as a 64 team tournament) are pissed and... ??? Please add more in the comments, I'll add them.

Remember, the NCAA takes 430 some BBall teams and slots 64 (ish) into a tournament. I'm going to attempt to do that with 120 football teams into 8-12. (Once I drew up my proposal I had 11... which seems like as weird a number as 65 or 68). May I present... December Madness

Schedule: Conf Champs all decided 1st week of December. 2nd week is Bye week/play in game. December week 3 is 8 team tourney. Week 4, 4 teams left. New years day (ish) Champ Game. December Madness

What works well from March Madness and we're going to try to take with us:

Conference Champ Auto Bids - 33 in Bball, we'll take 5 in Football. B1G, SEC, ACC, BigXII and PAC12 Champs - you're in the tourney. Lets the Conference championship game matter (Like the BBall Conference tourney). I also wouldn't be adverse to a "play in game" or two for the little-guy conference champs.

Selection Committee: They do it in hoops, do it here. The polls still matter as that'll be part of the "resume" like RPI and Sagarin ratings are in bball. You could use the polls to help rank the tournament (like in basketball). There would be 3-6 "At Large" bids used here to get your 8 - 12 teams. Would the last team left out be pissed? Yes sir. Sucks for the 65th basketball team too. One week into an awesome tournament no one cares.

Site Locations: Here's where I'm not 100% sure on what to suggest. I've been to NCAA Regional games and they're always half empty. It's hard enough to have fan bases travel to 1 bowl game much less the 3 it'll take in my proposal so at least Round 1 is a home game. Conference Champs get to host the home games, rotating 1 every 5 years on the road (Pic below). The big Bowls will host Round 2 and the Championship rotating every year (I realize that's 3 games for the current Big 4 Bowls... but the last bowl can choose any two teams not in the tournament to invite. the 1 bowl can get shafted every 4 years).

Remaining money grabs bowl games are free to invite whomever they want to whatever they want. I love that Lloyd got carried off after we beat florida, teams not in the tournament should be able to end their season with a win. Hey, there's still an NIT out there.

Hopefully this graphic works and sums up my proposal nicely. Why is this a bad idea? The NCAA already does most of it. What do you think?

Play In Games (2nd week  Dec)   1st Round         (3rd week Dec)   Final 4                   (4th week)   Champ Game
At Large #1           NYD Ish
AT   Game 1 Winner      
AT MWC Champ   AT   SEC Champ    
    SEC Champ   vs    
Large 2       B1G Champ    
AT   Game 2 Winner AT Sugar Bowl    
Big East Champ   AT       B1G Champ
    B1G Champ       vs
At Large 3           PAC12 Champ
AT   Game 3 Winner     AT ROSE BOWL
At Large 4   AT   Big12 Champ    
    Big12 Champ   vs    
        Pac12 Champ    
    ACC Champ   AT Fiesta Bowl    
    Pac12 Winner        
    (ACC Hosts next year, someone else gets shafted. Rotates)   (Orange Bowl hosts national title next year, someone rotates off)   (Again, site rotates between bowls)