Burke and THJ's good advice to current team

Burke and THJ's good advice to current team

Submitted by Miami Maize on March 31st, 2018 at 1:15 PM

Timely piece giving the current Knicks Burke and Hardaway's reflections on their Final 4 (confirming the block was CLEAN), as well as good advice for the team as they enter battle tonight.


Burke invited to participate in USA Nat. team mini camp

Burke invited to participate in USA Nat. team mini camp

Submitted by Blue_sophie on July 15th, 2015 at 3:13 AM
Despite now coming off the bench at Utah, it looks like Trey Burke is getting a shot at the USA men's national team. Super happy for him and hope he has more chances to prove himself in the NBA coming out of this mini camp. See article by Marc Stein: http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/13258034/usa-basketball-invites-new-p…

Where Are They Now? - Basketball

Where Are They Now? - Basketball

Submitted by AC1997 on December 17th, 2013 at 1:26 AM

One of the most common blog posts during the football season is to document the performance of former Michigan players in the NFL.  You see this on Touch The Banner, Maize n Brew, and it is has been a prominent component in The Wolverine publication for years.  I thought I’d try to do the same for basketball now that we actually have a couple of recent players featured in the league.  

Now that Juwan Howard has moved on to coaching, there are only three former Michigan players in the NBA.  Here are their profiles:

  • Trey Burke (Jazz) – As Brian pointed out, he’s been a significant help to the Jazz who were woeful without him.  He’s averaging 29 minutes per game with a slash line of 90/37/34.  The 2-point percentage isn’t great, but when matched with his 4.9 APG he’s having a good start to his rookie year.
  • Tim Hardaway (Knicks) – Hardaway is off to a solid start considering the number of wing players he’s competing with on the Knicks.  He’s averaging 7.9 points and 1.1 rebounds with a slash line of 84/46/41 – pretty impressive outside shooting.
  • Jamal Crawford (Clippers) – He’s been in the league for a long time now and really only played about a dozen games at Michigan, but we can still claim him as ours – right?  His solid career continues with his 16ppg average and percentages of 81/43/36. 

There actually is a fourth former player in the NBA that has often been forgotten as Beilein has built his program into a national power….Epke Udoh.  It would have been interesting to see him stick it out here at Michigan instead of transferring to Baylor. 

  • Epke Udoh (Bucks) – Udoh has primarily been a role player but a solid one.  He averages 26 minutes per game and contributes 4.7 points and 3.9 rebounds on average. 

I’ll even use that Udoh mention as a segway to another feature I’ll steal from.  Over at TTB there is another favorite post of mine where Magnus highlights the performance of former Michigan players or recruits who ended up at other schools for one reason or another.  There have been three recent transfers that still maintain college eligibility. 

  • Evan Smotrycz (Maryland) – He seems to have found a home on the future member of the conference, averaging a solid 12.3 points, 6.7 rebounds, and 1.8 assists.  In a loss to OSU earlier this season he had 15 points and 7 boards.  He’s a solid player that fits Beilein’s offense really well – it is unfortunate that it didn’t work out for him at Michigan. 
  • Carlton Brundidge (Detroit) – Brundidge was always a bit of an enigma since he was not a true point guard but was somewhat stuck in a point guard’s body.  He barely played at Michigan before being kicked off the team.  At Detroit this season he’s averaging 25 minutes a game and contributing 9.5 points, 2.8 rebounds, and 1.6 assists. 
  • Colton Christian (Florida International?) – He supposedly transferred to FIU, but I can’t find any record of him ever showing up there. 

At this point I’m not going to bother researching all of the former recruits who didn’t sign with Michigan.  If you’re interested in that information, I suggest you browse the recruiting page over at UMHoops as there is a lot of interesting information there.

However, I will take a moment to highlight one recruit I really wish Beilein would have signed – Larry Nance Jr.  He was being recruited by Michigan for the same roster spot that ended up going to Max Beilfeldt.  Recruiting is a funny thing so it is hard to know what happened during the process, but I’ve often thought that he is perhaps the player I most wish had signed with this team.  I like Max and think he’s a great guy to have on the end of your bench, but it sure seems like Nance would have been an ideal fit.  Michigan has lacked a true power-forward for the past few years and that’s the position Nance plays at Wyoming.  Having the ability to use him two years ago when Horford got hurt and only Morgan and Smotrycz existed over 6’6” tall would have been nice.  Having him last year when Robinson was the only viable power forward would have been nice.  He’s currently averaging 13 points and 9 boards as an athletic power forward.  In case you suspect that has a lot to do with playing for Wyoming, I’ll mention his stat line from a game against Ohio (yes, THAT Ohio):  17 points, 12 rebounds, 2 blocks.  I also have an irrational fondness of signing the sons of former NBA players as it often brings more mature talent and positive media attention.  Building on the legacy program established with Hardaway, Robinson, Horford, and even Dumars seems like a good thing – doesn’t it?  

Finally, I decided to expand this piece into another area.  Last season I stumbled across a post at The Only Colors that discussed the performance of former MSU players who were playing in professional leagues overseas.  (Sorry, can't find the link.)  Since there are a surprising number of them still playing, I’ll wrap this up by using a chart instead of long-winded bullet points.  

Name Years @ UM Current Team (country) PPG FG% (2/3/FT) Previous Countries
Josh Asselin 1998-2001 Assignia (Spain) 11.8 47/41/86 Ukraine, Dominican Republic
LaVell Blanchard 2000-2004 Liga Sudamericana (Ecuador) 18.3 52/29/81 Brazil, Finland, Bosnia, Ukraine
Graham Brown 2003-2006 Le Havre (France) 10.0 49/0/67 Belgium, Portugal
Brent Petway 2004-2007 Olympiacos (Greece) 7.6 72/50/63 France, Greece, Harlem Globetrotters
Dion Harris 2004-2007 Piratas (Columbia) 16.4 42/41/79 Venezuela, Germany, Cyprus, Syria
Courtney Sims 2004-2007 SK Knights (S. Korea) 7.9 62/0/81 Latvia, China, Belgium
Jevohn Shepherd 2006-2009 Omenga (Italy) 21.0 58/35/75 Germany, Holland, Canada
DeShawn Sims 2007-2010 Galil Gilboa (Israel) 12.0 38/27/71 S. Korea, Puerto Rico, Greece
Stu Douglas 2009-2012 Galil Gilboa (Israel) 8.2 62/24/84 Spain


There were several other former players I found in the database that have played recently, but none of them seem to be currently playing.  They are Maceo Baston (last played 2010-2011), Louis Bullock (2011-12), Daniel Horton (2011-12), Bernard Robinson (2012-13), Manny Harris (2012-13), and Zack Novak (2012-13).  

You have to wonder how comfortable of a living these players make - clearly some of them have made it work for a long time.  The name that jumps out from that table is Jevohn Shepherd.  He struggled to contribute at Michigan and now averages over 20 points per game in a solid Italian league. 

If you have other information about former players, share in the comments.  I'd also suggest anyone with an interest do this same type of piece for Hockey or Baseball.  



Submitted by k.o.k.Law on August 12th, 2013 at 2:33 PM

part one here           part two here

So, we are in the stadium, home of the Atlanta Falcons, with 75,000 other fans. I look for my Atlanta friend, but the seats she was in Saturday are empty. I text her, still outside fighting the crowd to get in.

Now we find our seats, in the upper deck, corner, about halfway up.

However, the view through the binoculars is perfect, taking in the whole court. A friend who was there Saturday had told me the sight lines were better than the United Center, where the Bulls play.

I look to my daughter and say I can't believe we made the title game. She says: “I can't believe I'm here!” with a big, parent satisfying grin.

And it is all over twitter that Webber is at the game. Just to continue to make it all about him, though, he does not sit with his four teammates. As my daughter says, whatever.

It seems there are more Louisville fans in the crowd, judging by wearing apparel. Not all of our fans wear maize, of course, but it seems that more than half the throng is wearing red.

The Louisville end zone is in front of us; ours at the opposite end. Our students act as they did at home games, standing througout, crowding to the court, so that the last few rows of seats were empty during the first half.

I am told the half-time performing bands used them for the second half.

Our noise making leads the elderly Kansas fans next to us to note that Michigan fans are really serious.

My great fear, the zebras, appears to materialize as Burke picks up two quick fouls, the second yet to be seen by anyone else. I feel impending doom. Disaster. A Louisville blowout.

Bad calls are made on both teams. When you can see a mid-court foul from my seat, without binoculars, it is impossible to conclude that the officials all missed it. That one would have been on Hardaway.

A friend texts that he does not think that the referees are in good enough shape to keep up with the players, so that they can be in position to actually see the game they are calling.

You could not disprove that theory by what I am seeing.

So, Burke sits. Spike shoots. And scores. And shoots and scores and shoots and scores and, you saw the game.

I raise my hands to the heavens like Ecstasy Guy. Yes, it is our destiny, clearly, nothing can stop us!

The half winds down. I figure we need to be ahead by at least ten.

Woops. The entire lead evaporates in a rain of Louisville threes. We just barely get back on top as the half ends.

The vibes are bad again. I remember leading Indiana in the 76 game at the half, still tied with ten minutes left, and, the end, losing by double digits.

I find my friend at halftime, take a picture, have a short visit. Her son is sitting in a different spot. I am sorry to miss him, a 16 year old survivor of Ewing's sarcoma, a virulent form of cancer.

The second half begins.

It is a battle of two heavyweights, exhanging blows, no quarter asked, none given.

I keep thinking Louisville will pull away, but they do not.

Then the play of the year, the Burke block at the far end of the court. Looked good to me live. Looked better on the replay.

The advantage of attending sporting events live is that you can look where you want. You are not bound by the director mandating shots of players' parents in the crowd.

I watch Burke, wander alone to the corner, looking away from the court.

He is pissed, I tell my daughter.

And rightly so. But he composes himself, and plays out the game, to the best of his ability.

As did all the players, on both teams. And the coaches.

I cannot remember another championship game like this, in any sport. No one ever seized the momentum and ran with it. Neither team was able to work its will on the other.

Disappointing result? Of course. It was meant to be. That is how I handle such things after decades of the ups and, more frequent, downs, cheering on the Maize and Blue.

Bad officiating? Blatantly, but that does not mean a perfectly called game would have mandated a different result.

With 3.9 seconds on the clock, my daughter and I look at each other and get up to leave. She has to punch in at the barn in Lexington in less than 8 hours, and it is 6 hours driving time.

The parking spot works to a charm; we seem to be in the first 15 vehicles leaving the stadium. And the road leads right to the freeway.

Erin is still up front next to me in the passenger seat. I call my friend who texted me to get his impressions from watching on TV.

A magnificent spectacle, he agrees.

The adrenaline is still going, for a while.

I stop for gas and a cappuccino and she takes up residence on the sleeping bags and pillows in the back of the mini-van.

Hmmmm. Maybe I should have pounded some 5 hour energy drinks.

Out of Georgia and back into the curving mountain roads of Tennessee. Which I do not remember. Oh, yeah, I was napping during this part of the trip down.

No lights on these roads either. Usually a semi truck or two is in sight.

Somewhere around 3:30 a.m., I pull off for a power nap.

Erin wakes me up about half an hour later, and off we go again.

After the next gas stop, I have her drive the last hour and a half or so. We are on schedule, and she is fully awake.

I am in the passenger seat and we chat about the hoop programs our our respective alma maters, Kentucky and Michigan.

She says the only player to graduate during Calipari's tenure was a holdover, who had promised his grandmother he would get a degree. He talks at post-game conferences about how some of his guys are not coachable. Well, why the hell should they be? They are just on a one year layover before they go pro. She is familiar with player attendance at classes, and not impressed.

The contrast with our coaching staff could not be more stark.

The team, the team, the team. Michigan Man values. Exposure to these beliefs is the benefit of having taken my girls to UM games since before they could talk.

Sports imitates life. You win some, you lose some. But how do you play the game?

As a parent, how do you get quality time with your kids?

I heartily recommend long road trips to Michigan sporting events.

Having exhausted the topic of basketball, she goes on to tell me her relationship with her bosses, the owners of the huge horse farm, the ladder to advancement, what she wants to do, and how she plans to get there.

This is the reason for my trip. To have that time, to check in on her life, to see how she is really doing.

Her sister lives in Detroit and I am blessed with frequent contact with that wonderful person.

I have not seen Erin since this trip. She will be up here this weekend, August 16.

She pulls in front of her house about 6:15 a.m. I go in to use the bathroom, but my dog allergies drive me back to the van for some sleep. I hear her “Thank you!” as she gets in her car to drive to work.

After some sleep, I drive home, arriving about 3:30 p.m., meaning that, except for 6 hours in Atlanta and pit stops, I have been in the mini-van for about 33 hours.

I would do it again in a heartbeat.

ESPN's Thorpe say Burke could go #1

ESPN's Thorpe say Burke could go #1

Submitted by trickydick81 on April 12th, 2013 at 9:36 PM

On TruHoopTV, David Thorpe makes the case for why Burke should go number 1 overall and then says that he thinks he will go number 1 if the team drafting first needs a point gaurd:



Let's hope that he stays so we don't get to see if Thrope is right!

Enter the NBA or stay in School? What's the data...

Enter the NBA or stay in School? What's the data...

Submitted by Drbogue on April 10th, 2013 at 11:11 AM

[ed-S: bumped to diary]

Every year we see the "talent-drain" occur in college basketball where the best players make themselves eligible for the NBA draft. With the <grimace> thought that there is the possibility of losing Burke, Hardaway, Robinson, and McGary I did a search (albeit a quick one) of the data regarding entering the NBA after 1 or 2 seasons. Is it worth the risk? Well here's what I've come up with.

* The majority of this information comes from "Weakside Awareness" and "Basketball-Reference.com"



How many players are in the NBA? ~360-450 (max).

30 teams in the NBA. Each roster can have a maximum of 15 players with a usual minimum of 12 (teams are allowed to have as few as 8 players). So, at any given time there are between 360-450 players in the NBA.

How many players retire/go unsigned/or otherwise leave the NBA yearly?

Very difficult to identify, but math tells us it should be roughly equal to the number of draftees that are signed.

How many players enter the draft?

Roughly 60 players. Of course, a draft only gives a team the OPTION of signing that particular player. However, they still tryout for the team and may go UNsigned prior to the season starting if they don't make the grade. I could not find data to show me the average number of draftees who were NOT signed by their drafting franchise.

What is the average length of career for an NBA player? (Weakside did a great eval on this at http://weaksideawareness.wordpress.com/2011/11/22/average-nba-career-length-for-players-details/)

If averaged from the start - 1947, it comes out to 4.86 seasons per player. However, in the last decade, this has increased (due in part to more positions due to expansion). Either way, it's not a long-term career.

Interestingly, Weakside broke this down by number of minutes played and height. Obviously, the more minutes you play, the longer you are kept around. The taller you are, the longer your career.

Minutes - < 12min a game: 2 seasons, > 30min a game: 10.88 seasons.

Height - > 7 feet: 5.78 season, < 6'2": 4.12 seasons.

What financial impact do we see?

(Good article from Forbes: http://www.forbes.com/sites/aliciajessop/2012/06/28/the-structure-of-nba-rookie-contracts/)

The initial term of an NBA rookie contract is 2 years with a 3rd year option. Agents don't have much leverage in negotiating a rookie's contract as the NBA has a "rookie salary scale." For players from the 2012 Draft, this scales from the #1 pick to the #30 pick as follows (Col 1:Draft pick, Col 2: 2012-13 Season, Col 3: 2013-14, Col 4: 2014-15):

1 $4,286,900.00 $4,479,800.00 $4,672,700.00


30 $850,800.00 $889,100.00 $927,400.00

The collective bargaining agreement states that a player may make between 80%-120% of this scaled salary amount based on their lottery pick. This variable is where the agent is important, particularly for the mid-range draft picks to get closer to the 120% rather than the 80%.

Despite this large up front amount, the data post-career is alarming. According to a report in 2008 from the NBA Player's Association, 60% of players are broke by 5 years post-retirement. This usually stems from having to pay for things you bought/made while you were still making the dough (ie houses, kids, divorces).


So, is it worth it? Does a college degree prevent the financial collapse? Is the upfront signing guarantee worth it? Does the answer even exist? Tim Duncan stuck around for 4 years, but would he have had the same longevity if he left after year 2?

I think a diary by the Mathlete is in order. Let's discuss!


Burke, Beilein and the Bigger Picture

Burke, Beilein and the Bigger Picture

Submitted by inthebluelot on April 8th, 2013 at 11:59 PM
As an escape from negative feelings about the result of tonight's game, lets make no mistake about the significance of the moment. Michigan Basketball is back and John Beilein is one hell if a coach and steward for the University of Michigan. Hail to all of the young men who had a part in allowing we the fans the opportunity to enjoy this game tonight. Go Blue!

Syracuse talks their 2-3 zone and how it will be tough for Burke

Syracuse talks their 2-3 zone and how it will be tough for Burke

Submitted by GetSumBlue on April 5th, 2013 at 9:04 PM

Disclaimer: It's a freep article and sorry if this has been posted. Didn't see anything yet.

The video clip is benign, but the comments in the article could possibly add some extra motivation for Burke and company in tomorrow's game.