Hokepoints: Beilein vs. All-Time, the Old Guys

Hokepoints: Beilein vs. All-Time, the Old Guys

Submitted by Seth on April 1st, 2014 at 11:16 AM

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Beilein by Fuller, Orr and Ooster via Bentley.

I got this question from PeteM on the board: Where does John Beilein rank among Michigan's all-time basketball coaches?

The question is subjective since everyone has their own criteria. Mine: wins (total), winning percentage, Big Ten regular season titles, tournament success, All-Americans/NBA prospects, and general good guy-itude.

The Candidates:

Coach Seasons Wins Avg 30* B10 NCAA** AAs NBA
John Beilein 2008-'14 150 18-12 2 2.14 2 3†
Steve Fisher 1989-'97 185 21-9 - 3.00 3 7
Bill Frieder 1981-'89 189 20-10 2 1.13 2 10
Johnny Orr 1969-'80 209 19-11 2 1.25 4 7
Dave Strack 1961-'68 113 17-13 3 1.88 4 7
Bennie Oosterbaan 1939-'46 81 16-14 - - - 2
E.J. Mather 1920-'28 108 20-10 3 - 4 -

Non-candidates for completeness:

Coach Seasons Wins Avg 30* B10 NCAA** AAs NBA
Tommy Amaker 2002-'07 108 17-13 - - - 4
Brian Ellerbe 1998-'01 62 15-15 - 0.50 - 2
Bill Perigo 1953-'60 78 13-17 - - - 1
Ernie McCoy 1949-'52 40 14-16 - - - -
Ozzie Cowles 1947-'48 28 20-10 1 1.50 - -
Cappy Cappon 1932-'38 78 17-13 - - - -
George Veenker 1929-'31 35 22-8 1 - - -
Elmer Mitchell 1918-'19 24 17-13 - - - -

I kept Cowles out of it since this was getting long and he only coached for a few (wild) seasons, wherein he dragooned football stars and developed the pick and roll.

Chartnotes:

For ease, I call the 2013-'14 season "2014" etc.

* Rather than winning % I showed their average record over a 30-game season.

** NCAA tournament factor, equivalent to average number of tournament games his teams would play in. A 1.00 means his average team will make the tourney and go out in the 1st round. I took out the play-in rounds.

† This could as well be 7 or 8: Manny Harris was recruited by Amaker but played his entire career for Beilein. Stauskas, GRIII, LeVert, and McGary at least can be counted as future NBA players. It's too early to say the same for Walton/Irvin but it's not a bad bet either.

I ended up breaking this up into two posts because it was getting long, so here's the candidates chronologically through Johnny Orr:

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Mather [via Wikipedia]

E.J. Mather (1920-'28)

Career at M: 9 seasons, 108 wins (67%), 3 Big Ten titles (1 outright)

All-Americans: Bennie Oosterbaan (1927 & '28), Richard Doyle (1926), Harry Kipke (1924)

Pros: Kind of pre-dates that.

Story: Took over a young program and went 3-9 his first year, then tied for the Big Ten championship his second, winning his last 8 games of the season to tie Purdue and Wisconsin at the end. The 1926-'27 season, when Bennie Oosterbaan lent his talents, was the best; Michigan went 10-2 in-conference and 14-3 overall. Soon after that season Mather had major surgery for cancer, and wasn't the same after that. Yost coached the 1927-'28 team in Mather's name; the cancer claimed his life that August.

Thing: Mather was also a Yost football assistant, and two of his players later became football coaches.

Better than a Beilein: It's tough to judge that far back or guess what the future might have held, but he didn't have a nationally competitive team until his 8th year so I'm comfortable putting him behind.

[After the jump it gets tougher]