WTKA Roundtable 11/29/2018: What Are We Doing Here?

WTKA Roundtable 11/29/2018: What Are We Doing Here? Comment Count

Seth November 30th, 2018 at 10:14 AM

I broke it up by times so you could skip past the bad thing if you don't want to talk about the bad thing.

Things discussed:

1. Disaster in Columbus (at 1:00)

  • Ed rips on Don Brown for the South Carolina game
  • 2016 and 2017 Michigan vastly out-schemed Ohio State, so it's not an overall pattern.
  • The problem is Michigan had the #1 defense so couldn't anticipate their flaws. At halftime, fine, you can't get to the quarterback and can't live with Watson anymore. Change it up!
  • OSU probably going back to being a Tate Martell offense next year
  • Catch three balls.
  • Bowl destination?

2. Glory in Crisler (at 19:51)

  • Too soon to talk Monday Night
  • Why was Michigan State the consensus pick for the B1G? This year's is a better team than last year's.
  • Craig: Teske was the player of the game: UNC didn't want anything to do with under the basket. Brian: No it's CM. Sam: No it's Iggy. Wait we all forgot Livers
  • Turned it into a halfcourt game.
  • Versus last Novembers
  • Purdue preview

You can catch the entire episode on Michigan Insider's podcast stream on Podbean.

Segment two is here. Segment three is here.


"I turn on the game and I'm like who is this 60 year old freshman?


The Explanation

The Explanation Comment Count

Brian November 26th, 2018 at 11:03 AM

11/24/2018 – Michigan 39, Ohio State 62 – 10-2, 8-1 Big Ten

From the start this blog has sought to detach itself from the furies of gameday. This column shows up Monday noonish and is thus the last one to appear. It usually tries to get a grip on the emotional tenor of what happened once whatever red mists have passed. Most games that are not abject humiliations are broken down play-by-play in an attempt to explain what actually happened, and gesture towards why.

So it's natural that people would ask me what happened; I am a person who would be able to venture some guess as to what caused the #1 defense in the country to give up 700 yards and more points than Michigan ever had to Ohio State. And, sure, there are some answers to be had. Ohio State ruthlessly exploited Brandon Watson and Devin Gil. Michigan's game plan was terrible because when you're the #1 defense in the country it's impossible to think your approach needs to be entirely different.

But these are weak justifications for the towering, Lovecraftian whole. They do not begin to explain what happened on Saturday. I struggled to put together anything that would be remotely satisfying. Then I figured it out: the fact that makes all the puzzle pieces slot together.

This is Hell.


[Bryan Fuller]

I am being punished for some sin so colossal that it justifies me reliving my life over and over again, except the end of every football season has been replaced with every flavor of pain football can hand out. This may be my sin, and the simulation will reveal it to me at the very end. I will be permitted a brief moment of knowing the totality of my existence before being thrown back into the rebooted whole.

Or I may be a person who has committed grievous crimes against football and is being punished by living through this existence as someone who holds my true self in utter contempt. This would in fact be justice for Jim Delany's sordid existence: to bear the brunt of every money-grubbing decision on an annual basis and then get a metaphorical kick to the junk so powerful it might as well be real. The reveal at the end, as I download this into whatever qualifies as a soul before being moving into another college football fan, would be the kind of devastation that you really rely on Hell to dish out.

Other candidates to be placed in this particular hell include everyone involved with replacing Pitbull with Larry Culpepper, that one FOX executive who surrounded himself with prophylactic pictures of his kids and sexually harassed his way out of a job, and people who post pictures of their dogs with captions like "OHHHH WHO'S A GOOD DOGGO" somewhere other than Instagram.

So, good news: you don't exist. Or bad news: if the demons have decided that they can cram all of the above into the same simulation for efficiency's sake, your existence implies that you have sinned powerfully and long, and respite is not coming.

But they messed up, you see. I don't buy this latest one. Oh, I was willing to accept the one where the quarterback breaks his foot in the middle of the game and still nearly carries Michigan to a win, even though the offensive coordinator called the same play he had on before after an OSU timeout. I was willing to accept the one lost by a literal unknowable inch. I was willing to accept DJ Durkin checking out a week early and not being too bright to start with.

I don't buy this one. The one where Ohio State fires one of their coaches for abusing his wife before the season, and Urban Meyer skates. The one where Ohio State loses by 29 to Purdue and barely squeaks out victories over half the Big Ten that Michigan is simultaneously paving. The one where the same team that came one three yard pass to a wide open receiver away from losing to Maryland waltzes through, yes, the #1 defense in the country like it is not there. I know, now. I know this is not a random universe that happens to fall into a maximally painful configuration. I know this is one specifically directed to cause pain, and in that knowledge is… well, not exactly power, but mitigation.

I know what's coming, now, Satan. Bring it on.


[Patrick Barron]


MGoPodcast 10.13: Ohio State's Pal

MGoPodcast 10.13: Ohio State's Pal Comment Count

Seth November 26th, 2018 at 4:09 AM

1 hour and 2 minutes

The Sponsors

This show is presented by UGP & The Bo Store, and if it wasn’t for Rishi and Ryan nobody would get our jokes. Our other sponsors are also key to all of this: HomeSure Lending, Peak Wealth Management, Ann Arbor Elder Law, the Residence Inn Ann Arbor Downtown, the University of Michigan Alumni Association, Michigan Law Grad,Human Element, and Lantana Hummus


1. Whatever That Was

starts at 1:00

Maybe we weren't trying to win, maybe our goal here was Urban Meyer's redemption.

2. The Defense

starts at 12:46

What the even?

3. So, Basketball

starts at 27:32

Wow this part actually made us feel good for a moment. Livers allows Michigan to play five out and unlock their switching skills, reminds us a little of Roby. If you don't want that Michigan you have to play Teske. Eli Brooks: Surprise Microwave.

4. How to Pronounce Zebra

Starts at 47:39

Northern or "Winners" grits starts with regular grits but I mix in garlic and cheese. Then I add a sunny side up egg, mushrooms, grilled onions, and feta cheese. Got it from The Bomber in Ypsi. David cooks eggs a bad way.


  • "Scars"—Papa Roach
  • "Stella Was a Driver"—Interpol
  • "Shake the Sheets"-Ted Leo and the Pharmacists
  • “Across 110th Street”


Beat Michigan, beat wives, it's all the same thing


View from the Sidelines: The aftermath of a tipping point

View from the Sidelines: The aftermath of a tipping point Comment Count

Ethan Sears November 25th, 2018 at 12:45 AM

COLUMBUS — “Wish I could have got a couple wins in it,” Tyree Kinnel said, four minutes into the most excruciating press conference of his life. “That’s the toughest part, I guess. I’m gonna have to sleep on it for the rest of my life, that I did not get a win in this game.”


Then his voice cracked.


“Other than that,” he continued, ultimately keeping composure, “I’m blessed to be here.”


It’s not easy to lose this game under any circumstance. In this specific circumstance, it couldn’t have been any harder.


[After THE JUMP: column]


Ohio State 62, Michigan 39

Ohio State 62, Michigan 39 Comment Count

Adam Schnepp November 24th, 2018 at 5:20 PM

There’s a door just off the eating area in Ohio State’s press box, the frame of which is plastered with small pieces of red “evidence” tape on its left side. I did not understand this at halftime. I get it now: Ohio Stadium is a crime scene.

An inauspicious three-play, one-yard drive to open the contest was the harbinger of things to come in a game so nightmarish the only thing recognizable as belonging to this 2018 Michigan team were white uniforms and winged helmets. And that was with the fourth quarter left to play.

The nation’s best defense was shredded time and again by crossing routes and could generate no pressure; the passing game saw Michigan’s surehanded tight ends suddenly dropping passes while predictable passing situations allowed Ohio State to get pressure on Shea Patterson much of the afternoon; and even special teams played a part with a blocked punt that seemed to hang in the air for eternity before dropping into the waiting arms of Sevyn Banks, who jogged 33 yards into the end zone. You play the game to keep your goals in front of you and Michigan did that for 11 games. Then, in The Game with the most optimistic forecast in almost two decades, the wheels came off in spectacular fashion.

[After THE JUMP: words]


The Game 2018: Liveblog

The Game 2018: Liveblog Comment Count

Seth November 24th, 2018 at 11:30 AM

Ohio State Links: Preview, FFFF Offense (chart), FFFF Defense with Seth's Armageddon II take (chart), Armageddon AgainPodcast

The Law: As always, the Liveblog Chaos Mitigation Post is The Law.

New features this week: Redemption.

How to use: You can + and - comments by clicking either button then clicking the comment you want to moderate. You start with 100% health and Level 1--if you get +'d you can gain levels and post more quickly.

So the liveblog doesn't become a deluge, the frequency you can post is limited by the blue bar—your "mana"—that gradually recharges. You spend mana every time you comment, the mana cost at that moment depending on your level and how fast and furious the comments are flying.


Punt-Counterpunt: The Game 2018

Punt-Counterpunt: The Game 2018 Comment Count

Seth November 24th, 2018 at 8:16 AM

Seth November 17th, 2018 at 8:44 AM



By Bryan MacKenzie

I’m sorry. I tried, I really did. But I can’t make you feel better about this game. Because I think Michigan is going to win this football game. And so do you. And that is terrifying.

Sure, I have seen the last couple of decade. I’ve seen Troy Smith and Braxton Miller. I’ve seen JT Was Short and Chris Evans Was Open. I’ve seen Devin Gardner carry a football team on a broken foot, only to stumble three yards short. I’ve heard the O-H-I-O chants echo around Michigan Stadium. I know the history. And I try to steady myself against rising expectations.



But I have also watched the last ten weeks of football. I’ve watched Michigan coolly, methodically dismantle inferior opponents. But more importantly, I’ve seen Michigan put the hammer down on the best teams on their schedule. I’ve watched the defense toy with offenses. I’ve watched the offense put out exactly as much energy as necessary to snuff out a moribund Michigan State, Nebraska, Maryland, Penn State, Wisconsin, or Indiana, and store the rest for a defense more deserving.

[After THE JUMP: Things we've seen. And Raj gets scatological.]


MGoRadio 4.11: Pudding Right

MGoRadio 4.11: Pudding Right Comment Count

Seth November 23rd, 2018 at 7:03 PM

With special guests John U. Bacon and Nick Hopwood

The Sponsors

We can do this because people support us. You should support them! The show is presented by UGP & The Bo Store, and if it wasn’t for Rishi and Ryan we’d be all be very sad ex-SBNation employees with “real” jobs.

Our other sponsors are also key to all of this: HomeSure Lending, Peak Wealth Management, Ann Arbor Elder Law, the Residence Inn Ann Arbor Downtown, the University of Michigan Alumni Association, Michigan Law Grad, Human Element, and Lantana Hummus



starts at 1:00

Seth plays the panic.gif guy, badly. The first Ramsey run was probably a poorly executed play where Dwumfour missed the stunt. Paye was spied on one play and got a late jump on the play. Kinnel got tempoed on a slot fade. Indiana used a mesh concept to lose Watson on a legal pick. Indiana is a similar rushing attack to Ohio State and Michigan will probably have to use a 5th linebacker against the Buckeyes. Michigan’s DT’s are just guys. The Hoosiers had a good game plan to take out Michigan’s 4 man pass rush. Michigan went conservative on offense late and it was the right thing to do. Andrew Stueber had his first real moment and he looked pretty good.

2. OSU Preview

starts at 26:15

Brian thinks Ohio State is bad and is terrified. Seth thinks Ohio State is bad, entitled, and more terrified. The Buckeyes are no longer an automatic third and short team without JT. Mesh is OSU’s base play. Haskins can run but he’s not very athletic and avoids contact even though he’s big. JK Dobbins isn’t as effective as he was last year. Haskins is not comfortable if you pressure him at all. Michigan will want to isolate Gary/Uche/Winovich against Isaiah Prince, who struggled against Carter Coughlin and Kenny Wilekes of Minnesota and MSU. OSU is a YAC team. Brian has a theory about OSU’s defense, which is very poorly coached. Their defensive line is still pretty good but without Bosa, it’s not as devastating as it could be. Jonathan Cooper is just a guy while Chase Young is going to be a star. Landers and Jones are good in the interior.

3. The Bacon Off the Rails Podcast

starts at 46:16

Bacon believes that it’s Michigan’s year. Seth shouldn’t be a college football program and we invent the Seth Rule. Bacon starts spreading Brian Kelly rumors and the guys debate all different kinds of head coaching rumors.

4. Gimmicky Top Five Worst Takes of the Offseason wsg Nick Hopwood

starts at 1:14:05

The rule is that for Seth and Brian, they have to pick at least 2 that are their own. Nick is a sponsor so he doesn’t have to stick to his takes, so he sticks to ours.


This week we feature a band I saw once in 2002 and bought their album, EchoBrain. I don’t know anything else about them but they played with the Starlight Mints and Polyphonic Spree that one time and sounded like the Stones but their album isn’t like the Stones at all, but the intros sound good.

  • “Colder World”
  • “Ghosts”
  • “Sucker Punch”
  • “Across 110th Street”

If you or a friend made some good tunes and don't have a label out scrubbing for them we'd be happy to feature you.


I’d rather have John Bacon coaching my team than you, Seth.


MGoRadio is Live at the Bo Store wsg John U. Bacon

MGoRadio is Live at the Bo Store wsg John U. Bacon Comment Count

Seth November 23rd, 2018 at 5:00 PM

Last live show of the season, possibly. Also with us is MGoBlog sponsor Nick Hopwood from Peak Wealth Management

The Sponsors

This whole thing was Rishi & Ryan from UGP & The Bo Store’s idea. So was advertising with us so we can do this for a living. They’re great guys and you should support them when getting your Michigan apparel.

Our other sponsors are also key to all of this: HomeSure Lending, Peak Wealth Management, Ann Arbor Elder Law, the Residence Inn Ann Arbor Downtown, the University of Michigan Alumni Association, Michigan Law Grad, Human Element, and Lantana Hummus