UM's new merchandise partner?

UM's new merchandise partner?

Submitted by mgoblue7 on June 11th, 2010 at 12:07 PM

Didn't see a topic on this, so if it has been discussed I apoligize.  Just tried to link to the mgoblueshop via michigan's website and got a message that they are switching partners and have cut ties with them.  Any ideas who they are going to partner with?  I would hope they go back to the mden as they always had good customer service and a great selection.

For your consideration Texas: B10 v. Pac10

For your consideration Texas: B10 v. Pac10

Submitted by PeterKlima on June 11th, 2010 at 11:33 AM

The rumors make it seem like Texas might be considering the Big Ten or the Pac 10. I know a lot depends on who else goes with Texas (or on their own). But, if the decision were up to Texas, its an easy one for the B10 against any conference. Let's look at the two most important things, academics and football:

1. Best option academically? B10. This stems out of the CIC membership. Although Cal and Stanford can hold their own against Michigan and Northwestern, the benefits to Texas' academic bottom line are bigger from the CIC.

2. Best option for football tradition? B10. The B10 has some of the best all-time programs steeped in tradition. The Pac10 has USC (more on them later) and... um... UCLA....

3. Best option for football reputation? B10. While we can debate Ws and Ls with oterh conferences, one things seems clear. The B10 wins "the right way." They are the conference where you want your kids to play football. Think about USC, Alabama, Miami, SMU, etc.. all the BIGGEST cheating scandals in college football. None of them (as far as I know) come from the B10. Sure, there may be some minor violations here or there, but overall the integrity of the B10 football programs put the other conferences to shame.

Everything else is either a wash or in the B10's favor.

C'mon Horns, if its really up to you, dance with the prettiest girl and not the easiest.

OT - What do you really want today?

OT - What do you really want today?

Submitted by Blazefire on June 11th, 2010 at 7:42 AM

Simple enough thread. Just thought I'd find out what everybody really wants today. What would you just love to have, what are you dying for, today.

Me? I desperately need some Jimmy Johns (w/ Cherry Peppers, please), but I don't have time to drive that far for lunch.

I also need this coffee I have here to be bottomless, like at Ihop. I want to go on a caffeine rage. In the words of Lewis Black, "BRING ME SOME PANCAAAAAKES!" Way too much coffee!

Geographical Analysis of Conference Expansion

Geographical Analysis of Conference Expansion

Submitted by stubob on June 10th, 2010 at 4:03 PM

One of the big sticking points in the conference expansion talks is “Think of the poor students, and how far the women's field hockey team will need to travel.”  I intend to evaluate that statement, and examine what difference, if any the proposed expansion scenarios have on it, as well as examine the effects of previous expansion (a.k.a Penn State).

 

Pac-10

name location  Tuscon Tempe Berkeley Eugene Corvallis Stanford LA LA Seattle Pullman Austin Boulder
Arizona Tucson 0 110 860 1340 1380 840 500 440 1620 1360 890 920
ASU Tempe 110 0 750 1240 1280 740 360 390 1520 1250 1000 880
Cal Berkeley 860 750 0 520 560 45 370 350 800 280 1750 1250
Oregon Eugene 1340 1240 520 0 40 560 850 740 280 450 2230 1240
OSU Corvallis 1380 1280 560 40 0 600 650 770 260 430 2270 1260
Stanford Stanford 840 740 45 560 600 0 350 320 840 920 1730 1300
UCLA Los Angeles 500 360 370 850 650 350 0 10 1100 1100 1390 1040
USC Los Angeles 440 390 350 740 770 320 10 0 960 870 1220 820
Washington Seattle 1620 1520 800 280 260 840 1100 960 0 290 2120 1360
WSU Pullman 1360 1250 280 450 430 920 1100 870 290 0 2070 1140
Texas Austin, TX 890 1000 1750 2230 2270 1730 1390 1220 2120 2070 0 950
Colorado Boulder, CO 920 880 1250 1240 1260 1300 1040 820 1360 1140 950 0 overall average
pre 938.8889 848.8889 503.8889 668.8889 663.3333 579.4444 587.7778 538.8889 852.2222 772.2222 695.4444
post 932.7273 865.4545 685 862.7273 863.6364 749.5455 701.8182 626.3636 1013.636 846.6667 1601.818 1105.455 904.5707

As it stands now, the average distance between schools is 695 miles.  Adding Texas and CU makes the max distance 2100 miles.  Texas and Colorado are at least 800 miles away from every existing school, and already 950 miles from Boulder.  And, it goes without saying, about 1200 miles from the Pacific.  Adding CU and UT makes the new average 900 miles.  On the surface, that’s a ton, but, by doing so, it allows the creation of an East and West conference, with the dividing line in Arizona or thereabouts.  That should actually reduce the travel distance between in-conference schools.  So what we could wind up with is some sort of Pac-8, and a South Western conference that has nothing to do with the Pacific.  Or, given what’s going on today, anything and everything else.

 

Big 10

The Big 10 is the conference we all know and love, and has a reasonable shape, making for much more manageable distances between schools.  As it stands now, there is an average of 370 miles between schools, with Minnesota – Penn State the longest trip at about 900 miles.  Note that Google maps is either aware of the Car Ferry, or assumes a Dukes-of-Hazzard-ish jump of Lake Michigan at Muskegon to get to Minneapolis and Madison.  As always, chart:

Champaign Bloomington Iowa City Ann Arbor East Lansing Minneapolis Evanston Columbus State College West Lafayette Madison Lincoln Columbia South Bend
Illinois Champaign 0 150 240 350 320 510 150 300 620 90 250 520 270 200
Indiana Bloomington 150 0 390 330 310 640 250 220 550 110 380 640 350 200
Iowa Iowa City 240 390 0 450 430 300 250 540 800 330 180 300 230 300
Michigan State Ann Arbor 350 330 450 0 70 650 260 190 410 260 390 750 660 170
MSU East Lansing 320 310 430 70 0 540 240 250 470 270 280 730 580 150
Minnesota Minneapolis 510 640 300 650 540 0 410 760 990 530 270 430 500 500
Northwestern Evanston 150 250 250 260 240 410 0 360 600 140 150 530 400 110
Ohio State Columbus 300 220 540 190 250 760 360 0 320 240 500 800 540 280
Penn State State College 620 550 800 410 470 990 600 320 0 560 730 1100 860 500
Purdue West Lafayette 90 110 330 260 270 530 140 240 560 0 270 620 370 150
Wisconsin Madison 250 380 180 390 280 270 150 500 730 270 0 500 420 240
Nebraska Lincoln 520 640 300 750 730 430 530 800 1100 620 500 0 330 600
Missouri Columbia 270 350 230 660 580 500 400 540 860 370 420 330 0 450
Notre Dame South Bend 200 200 300 170 150 500 110 280 500 150 240 600 450 0 overall average
pre 298 333 391 336 318 560 281 368 605 280 340 373.6364
post 305.3846 347.6923 338.5714 380 356.9231 540.7692 296.1538 407.6923 654.6154 303.0769 350.7692 603.8462 458.4615 296.1538 402.865
pre minus PSU 262.2222 308.8889 345.5556 327.7778 301.1111 512.2222 217.7778 373.3333 248.8889 296.6667 319.4444

It seems Missouri is less a given than it was yesterday, but I’ll leave it because it would make too much work to take it out.  Adding those three makes the new average distance 400 miles, and Nebraska – Penn State is the long haul at 1100 miles.  Once again, there would probably be East and West divisions in the conference to reduce the mileage even further, but a distance difference of 30 miles is pretty negligible.

 

Big-10 pre-Penn State

For those of you who have stuck with me this long, here’s the payoff.  What effect would removing Penn State have on the distances?  Or, how much effect did adding Penn State have originally?  You can see that without Penn State, the average distance drops to 320 miles between teams, or a difference of about 50 miles.

 

What all this shows is that the net mileage difference from adding Nebraska, Missouri and Notre Dame would be less that the difference was just by adding Penn State, even without factoring in the divisional separation.  The Pac-10, on the other hand, is already crazy, and adding anything east of Arizona is even more crazy.  To put this in perspective, the CCHA has an exemption for any team that plays an Alaska team.  Google maps says that it’s a 3800 mile drive from Ann Arbor to Fairbanks.  The trip from Austin to Seattle is 2100 miles.  Perhaps they will have exemptions for anyone making that trip.

Expansion: OK St to Pac 10(?), Texas bundled

Expansion: OK St to Pac 10(?), Texas bundled

Submitted by Geaux_Blue on June 10th, 2010 at 3:48 PM

According to the Dallas News, which has accumulated reports from other newspapers and sources, Oklahoma State, as first reported by TMX (eyeroll), will be announcing its departure to the Pac 10 shortly. This is fueled by a separate report involving crossed wires at OK St

 

Oklahoma State's athletic department informed ksbitv.com that there will be some sort of statement out of the president's office later Thursday. However, the university released a statement saying, "The report circulating about an immediate announcement today concerning Oklahoma State University and conference realignment is without merit.   There are no announcements planned by Oklahoma State University.  We remain committed to the Big 12 Conference.  If there are additional defections, we will have to evaluate our options."

As such, it appears OK St officials might be forcing Nebraska to formally act out its departure before making the call. What's more, the reports acknowledges and advances the idea the three Texas' schools (A&M, Tech and UT) will be a package deal. 

OK State bolting would be the final straw of the Big 12 recovering from the departure of Nebraska and Colorado - two schools with limited rivalries/in-state matchups - and likely create a free for all that would finally balance out where the Big Ten is headed, what the Big East is going to make ND do and IF there will be an SEC expansion/shakeup included in this mess.

Poor Missouri. They look like Kent Dorfman right now.

Poor Missouri. They look like Kent Dorfman right now.

Submitted by wolverine1987 on June 10th, 2010 at 1:22 PM

When I consider Missouri in these expansion scenarios, desperate for B10 acceptance, but not really getting their calls taken as the cool kids parcel out the invites to their new leagues, all I can think of is Flounder from Animal House, as the guys were playing poker at the rush party, standing behind them saying "Hey, you guys playing cards?"

Is the Big Ten too late to the expansion party?

Is the Big Ten too late to the expansion party?

Submitted by CollegeFootball13 on June 10th, 2010 at 11:53 AM

I know the Big Ten was the 'pioneer' conference as far as big time expansion goes, as they were in the talks about it last year, but it looks as if the Pac-10 has taken quite a few of the biggest programs in the running while the Big Ten is merely on the cusp of bringing in Missouri.

According to all the main sources on the topic, "Texas, Texas A&M, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Texas Tech and Colorado" are all expected to join the Pac-10, leaving.. who exactly for the Big Ten?

It's looking like Missouri is a done deal, maybe Nebraska (but the Big Ten hasn't yet extended them an offer) (EDIT- Swap those teams), maybe Notre Dame, but no big name schools outside of South Bend look like they're heading our way in the near future. I suppose we could snag a team or two from the Big East, but the Big Ten will be nothing like the Pac-10 if the current predictions hold true.

Pac-10 has the traditional powerhouses of the West, and now adds Texas and Oklahoma?! Not to mention Tech and A&M and Oklahoma State.

I guess what I'm asking is, assuming what the sources say holds true, and the Pac-10 gets the better half of the Big 12.. what's the best possible outcome for the Big Ten?

Please don't tell me it's Notre Dame..