For just a second thought I mistakenly hit the Rivals link

For just a second thought I mistakenly hit the Rivals link

Submitted by Wolfman on November 20th, 2010 at 4:26 PM

That board melts anytime the temp gets above 32. It's disgusting. It's rather amazing at the number of fans that forgot when RR took over he inherited 21 defensive players out of a total of about 70 and those he inherited on offense included a grand total of one returning starter and an entire OL that for some reason had no experience whatsoever.

Actually enjoyed Speilman's questions because they were legit. But the answers to the defensive woes are many.  Why did we have only 21 defensive players when RR take over with 15 scholarships unfilled?  And it was a given he was going to concentrate on offense first. I heard so many damn cliches during his first year with "He's remodeling the whole house when all that was needed was a bathroom restoration," and similar metaphors being bandied about as if they had any fucking merit. He came here to get rid of a stale odor, even if it involved a few sludge spills along the way.

If you people who keep suggesting he hasn't recruited defensively, remember please losing two DTs in his first year via decommitments, same thing w/dbs and the fact that the glorious play you are seeing from our two sr. lbers are remnants from a bygone era that was dying before your very eyes.

Because we can only recruit 25 in any given year, he couldn't even fill the entire roster until his second full class. Among those were 16 defenders. I can't imagine him going any other route than  getting his skill players on offense in his first year. Afterall, everyone was fully aware, especially Martin that RR didn't coach the pro formation.

In his third year he is overseeing one of the 3 top offenses in the country  with the most prolific qb in cfb running the show in his first full year as a 19 year old starter.  Because Demens and Fitz are taking over in the later part of the season, next year we'll return 9-10 returning starters on both sides of the ball.  BTW, he has a commitment from the no. 1 RB in the country and was able to RS the top rated spread qb in the nation from last season's hs bounty.

I'm as frustrated as any other UM fan in the country over our defensive woes, but I have no doubt that we'll see huge improvement from this season. I can't imagine any team, and I don't care what  conference you play in, depending on so many freshmen to stop top-notch offenses. It simply doesn't work. But freshmen become sophs and sophs become juniors and on and on and on. If I were witnessing a team that was giving up I'd be worried. This team, despite what happens fights to the end. That's the important thing because M will soon be "the experienced team" once again and the young talent we're watching grow up is equal to or better than any in this conference.  

If Speilman(a buckeye) can see it and declare, "this team will grow old together and be something special," and Griese chipping in with his declaration of DRob's improvement in the passing aspect of his game and say too that he'll just continue to get better and better, why the hell do so many opt to take the negative from what is good here and what will more than likely become something truly special?

Fans on this board asking questions like, "Is he throwing his players under the bus again," make me want to toss. He is an honest man. He says what he believes but he has never stated anything but the truth when addressing the media, and that included taking blame for coaching short comings.

This board is better than that. That's the reason I went from a yearly subscription at Rivals to monthly and then eventually getting tossed because I made a decision to back this team and one can simply not do that without supporting the head coach. RR didn't go from one of the top 5 coaches in the country to a football idiot just by changing his address.  He's the same guy that so many of today's bright young coaches opted to travel and learn from his seminars and then copy a true innovator. He'll make it happen and when it arrives, he'll do it on an annual basis.  He's planted the seeds and this program will return to the top.

Those that continue with the "We are Michigan. What the fuck good is 7 wins?, etc., simply choose, either by ignorance, or a belief in Rosenberg's espousals the name Michigan automatically equals 8 wins forgot just what the hell he inherited here, and what became even worse after all the defections. He started from scratch my brothers.  It's my guess these people believe TX, for some inexplicable reason,suddenly fielded a team of two stars and their coaching staff grew dumb during the off-season.

Like I said, this site is better than that. Let the cry babies and those subject to mood swings move on over to the I guarantee you won't be lonely there.

Countdown: 500 things I love about Ohio St.

Countdown: 500 things I love about Ohio St.

Submitted by TheIcon34 on November 20th, 2010 at 4:13 PM

Let's do a countdown for the 500 things we love about Ohio St!


Here it is


500. - I love how osu fans make our fans look so much classier by comparison!

499. How Ohio sends to Michigan all of the great players and coaches because frankly, who would want to go to OSU and deal with their crazy fans?

498. For recruiting Pryor away from us, thus preventing us from making a big mistake!

Chris Spielman

Chris Spielman

Submitted by HAIL 2 VICTORS on November 20th, 2010 at 3:57 PM

I am not a big fan of former tOSU players offering color commentary for a Michigan game.  However Spielman was actually insightful and very good on today's broadcast.  His comments about the 3-3-5 and the bubbles of space that force your 5 defensive back to make the majority of plays 2-4 yards beyond the line of scrimmage was dead on. 

Spielmans comments about recruiting were also succinct pointing out that although we did lose some players on strange one off's (Cullen Christian) that for the most part players that work on the defensive side of the ball at West Virginia are just not going to cut it at Michigan.

However, ESPN has no excuse to miss 5-7 Michigan plays today becuase of a sideline interview or pictures of the stadium from 1927 when we are in the hurry up.

Bring on tOSU

Bring on tOSU

Submitted by Lordfoul on November 20th, 2010 at 3:37 PM

A 4-loss tOSU team came into the Big House and toppled a heavily favored Michigan squad in 2001.  That tOSU team was coming off of a tough loss at home as well.  

All is not f&#*ed here.  Anything those dingle-berries from the asscrack of America can do, we can do better.  Light 'em up Denard Robinson.  


PS - Lighting a candle for Stonum's knee.  That didn't look good in slow mo.


POSITIVE Quick Hits - Wiscy

POSITIVE Quick Hits - Wiscy

Submitted by ATLWolverine on November 20th, 2010 at 3:19 PM

Well, we just lost convincingly to the best team in the Big Ten. That being said, I noticed a lot of positive/neutral things in this game and I'd be curious to know what you all think as well. Please save bitching, sarcasm and FIRE RROD for other threads. This thread is meant to be a change of pace from the tsunami of negativity otherwise on the board.


That being said:


- Denard broke 2 NCAA records today: He is the first 1500/1500 NCAA QB in history, and now holds the NCAA major college single-season rushing record for a QB


- Michigan scored 28 pts in a half against Wisconsin-- perhaps we were more warmed up by then, or Denard's deep ball was finally falling? Either way, hopefully we can carry some momentum forward to next week


- The defense forced 2 turnovers against a team with 7 on the season (!)


- Drew Dileo and Darryl Stonum were returning kickoffs more so than Gallon. Following the injury to Stonum I think we see why he doesn't regularly return them, but after seeing Gallon's fumble, I think we might be seeing a turn towards the safer and more reliable Dileo.


- No disastrous picks from Denard in this game; his balls batted by Watt were unfortunate, but not dangerously thrown. The facepalm underthrown balls of the past few weeks were greatly cut down this week.


- Denard did a better job with QB draws and otherwise attempting to run when everyone was covered this week. It was a refreshing positive to see the coaching staff notice and presumably address his poor (non) running habits during designed pass plays this week.


- We were in a horrifying position at the end of the first half following Gallon's fumble inside our 30, but James Rogers baited Tolzien to throw and then picked off the pass, preventing a sure TD. Nice to see some mindgames being played by our secondary for a change; bodes well for the development. Also, way to respond! Our defense has heart/swagger this year even when things are going badly.


What else did y'all notice about the game in the positive/neutral category?

Please don't be douchebags

Please don't be douchebags

Submitted by I Wrote a 4 Wo… on November 20th, 2010 at 2:37 PM

We're about to lose a game.

To all who are about to complain about RichRod, please don't be douchebags. It's a game we were supposed to lose.

Maybe I'm out of line or just on my toes because of all of the douchebag comments this year after any loss, and if that's the case then just calm down. But I'm pretty sure people are going to be saying "Harbaugh" a whole bunch after the game and if so, I think you should just sit on something pointy and shut the fuck up.

That being said, Go Blue. Beat the Buckeyes.


Edit: Mods, if you feel it necessary to take it off then fine, I'm just sick of the...douchebaggy post-loss talk.

It's not the scheme, not the inexperience, not the talent at fault.

It's not the scheme, not the inexperience, not the talent at fault.

Submitted by wolverine1987 on November 20th, 2010 at 2:29 PM

It is simply, the fundamentals of tackling, angles, and assignments that are lacking. The biggest criticism of the coaching staff on defense has nothing to do with scheme. Youth and talent are a factor of course, but that is not where we fail. It is the simple fact that we cannot teach, for whatever reason, our players to tackle properly, pursue properly, and be disciplined. Coaches CAN teach players of mediocre talent and no experience to tackle properly. That is not a matter of opinion but fact. It happens elsewhere in the country on multiple teams. No one should have expected anything but a poor to mediocre defense this year. But we should expect players that tackle, pursue, and have proper assignments--regardless of experience and talent. I don't care what our scheme is next year, not one bit. I care that we have new defensive coaches who can teach fundamentals. Our coaches have failed miserably at that.

Try Hagerup at PK

Try Hagerup at PK

Submitted by Maize n Blue on November 20th, 2010 at 2:06 PM

This is officially laughable. Not only did Broekhuizen miss yet another chip-shot, every time he (EDIT: or Gibbons) kicks an XP it is nearly blocked because it is so low. I know we want our specialists to focus on one thing (e.g. punting only or field goals only), but why haven't we heard about the possibility of Hagerup kicking some PKs? Rivals ranked him as the 3rd kicker in the nation coming out of high school. Like I said, I know it is a bit unorthodox to have one guy taking care of all 3 phases of the kicking game, but Hagerup (and nearly every kicker in the NCAA) handled these responsibilities in High School just fine. Though most of our games have not been decided by 3 points, I'm not ok with accepting that we have the equivalent of a 12 year-old girl kicking our field goals. Am I out of line here?

Should Michigan schedule Boise in 2012 or 2013?

Should Michigan schedule Boise in 2012 or 2013?

Submitted by StephenRKass on November 20th, 2010 at 11:45 AM

ESPN is reporting that Boise State will be playing vs. Georgia in 2011 & Ole Miss in 2014.

I was intrigued by the idea of Michigan scheduling Boise to come to the Big House in 2012 or 2013. The schedule in 2012 is already a killer. However, it is pretty weak in home games, with Alabama, Notre Dame, and Ohio State all being on the road. Adding Boise in 2012 would definitely be a reward for the home fans, instead of a MAC cupcake. Currently, there are three open slots in 2012, one of which I assume is a bye.

The only games I see scheduled for 2013 are home vs. ND & the return trip to UConn. Obviously there is room for Boise on the schedule.

Some on this board argue that there is no reward for Michigan in playing Boise State. I completely disagree.

  • A win against Boise would be regarded highly in terms of quality.
  • Boise is viewed as a high quality team, and a loss to them would be viewed very differently than a loss to Appy State, or Toledo, or the like.
  • A loss early on would not be completely crippling in end of the year rankings.
  • In terms of fan interest and TV interest, a Michigan - Boise State game would generate huge buzz. Be honest:  would you rather see Michigan play Eastern Michigan, Delaware State, UMass and assorted Baby Seal Universities, or Boise State?
  • I could even see it being a night game, early in the season when it isn't brutally cold.
  • Also, Boise is completely ready to play on the road with no return date.
  • By 2012, Michigan should be competitive with everyone and afraid of no-one. There is no reason to duck competition.
  • Lastly, I am sick of hearing BCS league teams saying Boise doesn't play anyone. Beating Boise is a way to clearly knock them out of the MNC consideration.

For you Boise haters, I want to hear from you reasons why you'd rather play Directional U or Baby Seal U than Boise State in the 2012 or 2013 non-con schedule