3 Man Lines

3 Man Lines

Submitted by Ziff72 on November 23rd, 2010 at 1:05 PM

I have several things that want to make my head explode, but if I could eliminate this from the board with a couple simple examples I would be much happier.  Here is a fact.

Having a 3 man defensive line does not prevent you from shutting down power offenses.

Why is this a fact?   Teams like the Pittsburgh Steelers and coaches like Bill Bellichik and oh yes the Univeristy of Michigan's defenses under Bo Schembechler and Gary Moeller and Lloyd Carr who often had 3 man lines have completley shut down power run teams and continue to do so.

This post is not in defense of our current DC or our current alignments or strategies.  This is not in defense of the 3-3-5 or whatever the hell hybrid that we are playing.   This is in response to every ill informed person that thinks having 3 down lineman just doesn't work and we are the only team in the country trying to stop teams with 3 down lineman.  

Personally I think our best defensive players are currently defensive lineman and we should be in a 4 man line more, but in the same respects if we had better LB's I would be fine with a 3-4 or 3-3-5 or whatever.  

Obviously the defense  is ripe for board posts and analysis just please don't use the 3 man line as a crutch.  A 3 man line works just fine.....just not here right now.  Ok I'm better now.

State of the Offense

State of the Offense

Submitted by Magnum P.I. on November 23rd, 2010 at 12:09 PM

[Ed: bumped for general interestingness.]

Wisconsin head coach Bret Bielma made the following statement after the Badgers 48-28 victory over Michigan on Saturday:

"We're not the spread offense, so it's not sexy," he said. "We're not on the [top] of everybody's wish list. But I tell you what—48 points is fun."

This, after Michigan’s vaunted offense had stalled out at inopportune times and Wisconsin’s pro-style attack had done as it pleased throughout the game en route to 48 points on 558 yards with only one punt along the way. The Wisconsin offense had more fun than Michigan’s.

Despite claims that it cannot be successful in major college football, there is little doubt that the spread offense, in general, works at the highest level of the NCAA. The top two teams in the nation this season, Oregon and Auburn, both employ it in some fashion. The spread is viable, just as the pro-style is viable. However, there is wide variation in productivity across teams within the same basic offensive scheme.

Michigan’s spread offense this year has been something of a revelation, thanks largely to the ascendance of Denard Robinson. The feats that Robinson has accomplished as a true sophomore in his first season as a starter are truly remarkable. This is virtually indisputable. With two games remaining in the season, he has already broken the all-time FBS rushing record for a quarterback and has become the first player in NCAA history to pass for 2,000 yards while rushing for 1,500. His season has been an historic one.

Behind Robinson, Michigan’s offense has been at the top of the Big Ten and in the top five nationally for much of the season in terms of yards per game. Big plays abound, and 500-yard games have become more the rule than the exception. This prolific output has created much buzz around the offensive side of the ball (and stand in stark contrast the immense struggles of the defense). Indeed, the offense has almost single-“sidedly” carried the team to victories against Illinois, Indiana, and Notre Dame, and its fluency has become the loudest argument for Rich Rodriguez to stay at the helm in Ann Arbor beyond this season.

However, the offense has been outshined in Michigan’s losses. In these contests, Michigan's offense didn't just fail to play like a top-five unit nationally. It wasn't the better unit on the field during the game. In these games, Michigan produced 377, 522, 423, and 442 yards against Michigan State, Iowa, Penn State, and Wisconsin, respectively, while yielding 536, 383, 435, and 558 yards. Michigan’s maligned defense was party to these opponents’ gaudy offensive outputs, but Michigan’s offense did not keep pace. Not surprisingly, these four opponents also have some of the best scoring defenses of the teams that Michigan has faced this year, and the question arises as to whether Michigan’s “sexy” offense can be successful against good defensive teams.

The offense has improved in three seasons under Rodriguez, and, even now, it remains young. Its leader, Robinson, is a true sophomore, as is starting tailback Vincent Smith. The starting offensive line has only one senior [ed: depending on the health of Perry Dorrestein] and the wide receiver corps has none. One could argue that there is still room for growth and that the trajectory demonstrated over the past two years under Rodriguez is positive. Still, it bears examining exactly where the offense is at present. Is it an unstoppable force or a paper tiger? Or something in between? This analysis dissects the Michigan offense with one game to go in the 2010 season.

Yards, scoring, games, and drives

Michigan’s offense works fast. There is no huddle. They get to the line of scrimmage quickly. They gain yards in chunks. They score in a flash. All of this, in part, leads to shorter times of possession per drive, which generally leads to more drives per game (the defense giving up long, run-laden drives to the opponent notwithstanding). Michigan, as of November 19, had the most drives in the Big Ten this season (105, tied with Illinois) against BCS competition. Wisconsin had the fewest number of drives in the Big Ten against BCS opponents with 71.

A more useful way of understanding offensive effectiveness than looking at yards per game is to examine what an offense does with a typical drive. The importance of drives was illustrated in the first half of the Michigan-Wisconsin game, as Michigan had only four full drives to work with. What a team does with a drive is a means of measuring offense that allows for fair cross-team comparison. As of Friday, Michigan averaged 2.57 points per drive (PPD) this season against BCS teams, good for third in the Big Ten, behind Wisconsin (3.72) and Ohio State (3.19) and tied with Iowa.

Table 1 - Points per drive against BCS opponents

Team PPD
Wisconsin 3.72
Ohio State 3.19
Michigan 2.57
Iowa 2.57
Michigan State 2.53
Illinois 2.39
Northwestern 2.00
Penn State 1.84
Minnesota 1.77
Indiana 1.48
Purdue 1.10
Calculated with data from www.cfbstats.com: drives = punts + fumbles lost + interceptions + failed 4th down conversions + FG attempts + TDs

Michigan’s offense is above-average relative to other teams in the conference in this stat but not as dominant as the yardage number suggest. Stated alternatively, this statistic suggests that Michigan scores a touchdown roughly one out of three drives against BCS competition. When taking into consideration the number of drives in which an offense has an opportunity to score, Michigan's offense is still among the leaders in the Big Ten.

“Michigan’s offense can score on anybody”

It goes without saying that an offense typically performs worse against a better defense. One would expect an offense to do less with a typical drive against a good defense compared to a bad defense. However, with Michigan this season, this relationship is ambiguous. Table 2 shows Michigan's BCS opponents’ points-allowed-per-game (PAPG) against BCS competition alongside Michigan’s PPD against them.  

Table 2 - Michigan's PPD by BCS opponent and opponent's scoring defense against BCS competition

Opponent PAPG U-M PPD
Iowa 17.9 2.33
Michigan State 21.4 1.81
Wisconsin 22.4 2.55
Notre Dame 23.5 1.75
Connecticut 24.2 3.44
Illinois 26.8 3.00
Penn State 27.4 3.10
Purdue 30.1 1.40
Indiana 40.7 3.50
Calculated with data from boxscores at www.mgoblue.com and team statistics from www.cfbstats.com

Michigan’s most productive games, in terms of PPD, came against Indiana, Connecticut, Penn State, Illinois, and Wisconsin, in that order. Against these foes, Michigan’s PPD was better than what would be considered average in the Big Ten this season and better than their own average through the Wisconsin game. Indiana has the worst scoring defense among Michigan’s nine BCS opponents, and Michigan’s offense enjoyed their best PPD output against them. Otherwise, Connecticut has the fifth best scoring defense, Penn State the seventh, Illinois the sixth, and Wisconsin the third. Michigan’s worst PPD came against Purdue, who has a poor scoring defense (eighth among opponents), but weather conditions during that game may explain this apparent deviation. Further, it could be argued that Connecticut’s relatively low points-allowed-per-game is due their membership in the Big East and a weaker slate of BCS competition. Regardless, with a sample size of well over one hundred drives, opponents’ scoring defense does not predict Michigan’s PPD with statistical significance (p = .42). These results would appear to support claims that Michigan’s productive offense can “score against anybody” and could perhaps provide evidence against arguments that Rodriguez’s spread offense cannot succeed against good defensive teams.  

All drives are not created equal

The success of a drive varies in importance based on the circumstances of the game. Scoring a touchdown when the score is tied is more valuable than scoring a touchdown when down 30. One criticism of the Michigan offense this season is that it struggles to capitalize on opportunities to extend leads and put teams away. Table 3 shows that Michigan has scored a touchdown on 48% of drives when the game is tied, 44% of drives when they are behind, and only 17% of drives when they are ahead. This difference in scoring percentage across these three situational categories is statistically significant (χ = 12.12, p < .05). Michigan’s drives are apparently more successful when the score is even or when they are behind. They have scored touchdowns at a much lower rate when in position to go up by multiple scores.

Table 3 - Michigan's situational drive scoring outcomes (count and row percentages shown) 

  No points Field goal Touchdown   PPD 
Ahead  34 (81%) 1 (2%) 7 (17%) 1.21
Tied 10 (44%) 2 (9%) 11 (48%) 3.61
Behind 22 (51%) 2 (5%) 19 (44%) 3.23
Calculated with data from boxscores at www.mgoblue.com

A further criticism of Michigan’s offense is that it not only fails to put games away when presented with an opportunity, but also that it is successful against good defenses only when the game is already out of hand, that is, when the opponent is ahead by a wide margin. In all games against BCS competition, Michigan has scored touchdowns on 46% of drives that begin with them down by ten or more points; they have scored touchdowns on only 30% of drives that begin with them within ten points, tied, or ahead. This difference, however, is not statistically significant (p = .21). How does this difference bear out against good defenses?

The best defenses Michigan has faced this year are Iowa, Michigan State, and Wisconsin, which are also three of the top four teams in the Big Ten (along with Ohio State). Against these teams, Michigan’s offense has performed well when they are down by ten or more points. In these large-deficit scenarios, the offense has averaged 2.80 PPD, above their overall season average and toward the top end of the Big Ten. When down by ten or more, they have scored touchdowns on eight of 20 occasions, a rate of 40%. When the game is close (i.e., when Michigan is within ten, tied, or ahead) the story is considerably different for this team. When the game is still in the balance, Michigan has averaged 1.43 PPD, with two field goals and two touchdowns (14% rate) in 14 opportunities—this is significantly worse than when the deficit is large (χ = 4.87, p < .10).

Table 4 - Michigan's situational drive scoring outcomes against top defenses (count and row percentages shown)

  No points Field goal Touchdown    PPD  
Down 10+ points 12 (60%) 0 (0%) 8 (40%) 2.80
Within 10 points, tied, or ahead 10 (71%) 2 (14%) 2 (14%) 1.43
 Calculated with data from boxscores at www.mgoblue.com

The data show that Michigan’s offense has been poor—as bad as the worst Big Ten teams’ average PPD output—against the best teams in the Big Ten when the game is close. Their most impressive offensive work against these good teams has come once they already trail significantly, in which case they have performed above-average relative to average Big Ten PPD standards.

So is the Michigan offense an elite offense?

Looking at the success of offensive drives, a statistic that controls for the pace of the game and the number of overall opportunities an offense has, Michigan has a good offense relative to the rest of the Big Ten—they are tied for third in productivity with Iowa, behind Wisconsin and Ohio State. Michigan averages the most yards per game and has scored the second most points in the conference, but they have also had the most opportunities to accumulate yards and points, most likely due to the fast pace at which they execute their offense, the quickness with which they have sometimes scored, and their high rate of turnovers. They are third best in the Big Ten at capitalizing on drives.

So, is Michigan’s spread offense under Rodriguez elite? The answer appears to be, “circumstantially.” They perform very well when the game is tied or when they trail. The offense struggles, however, to pull away when they have a lead. Further, the offense has struggled in close-game situations against the best Big Ten teams. There is much variability in how the offense performs, dependent, in part, on the score of the game when the offense assumes possession.

This situational inconsistency may be attributable to a variety of factors (e.g., youth and inexperience on offense, conservative play-calling when ahead, nerves), and one can speculate as to which are most salient. These analyses are intended to deconstruct the offense and offer a more nuanced picture of the state of that side of the ball, beyond a rough yards- or points-per-game. With the travails of Michigan’s defense this season, it is tempting (and perhaps healthful) to look at the offense as being “solid” and not something to worry about. Compared to the defensive unit, this may be true, but there are interesting and complicated phenomena at play with Michigan’s sexy side, as well.

Other tidbits from the data

Starting field position does not significantly affect the likelihood of the Michigan offense scoring a touchdown (odds ratio = .98, p = .20).

Michigan’s offensive productivity, in terms of PPD, is highest in the first quarter (2.81), followed by the third (2.72), fourth (2.33), and second (2.00) quarters.

Michigan’s offensive productivity against good defenses (Iowa, Michigan State, and Wisconsin), in terms of PPD, is highest by far in the third quarter (3.50), followed by the fourth (2.63), first (1.43), and second (1.11) quarters.

Michigan has yet to score on its third drive of any game versus a BCS opponent this season; its highest PPD is on its second drive of the game (4.22).

There is variation in the point outcome of a drive, that is, some drives end in zero points, some in three, some in seven. This variation may be due to factors associated with the opponent (e.g., the quality of their defense) or factors associated just with the drive (e.g., whether the team is ahead or behind when the drive begins). Cluster analyses show that almost 100% of the variance in Michigan’s points earned on a drive is due to factors associated with the unique drive. This suggests that our opponent, per se, has little bearing on the outcome of a drive, once one takes into consideration unique aspects of the drive, such as the how far ahead or behind Michigan is.

Lets reflect on Lloyd's last OSU game

Lets reflect on Lloyd's last OSU game

Submitted by Blue Blue Blue on November 23rd, 2010 at 11:58 AM

I hope the RR must go crowd reflects back on Carr's last OSU game, a miserable 14-3 loss to the Bucks where our offense looked totally impotent.

Henne was hurt (Mallett was a freshman who had not shown much), Hart was hurt (the running game was gone) and despite having Breaston, Manningham (and maybe Arrington?) we could not move the ball, period.

The defense played pretty well, but the game was painful.   Our offense looked slow and stone age, unable to get receivers open, despite the lack of ground game.

The year that started with two spread teams, App State and Oregon, shredding us, finished with up plodding nowhere against the Bucks. Remember this?

Can there be any doubt that RR's  Michigan will be an offensive juggernaut for years to come?   The offense is very young, too.   Denard is a sophomore who had thrown for 2500 yards and run for 1500.  Progress?  Give me a break.

OK, the Defense sucked for the most part, but where are the bodies Lloyd left behind?  This year is his senior class, not RRs.

So even if we get hammered in Columbus, we finish 7-5, with 3 of the lssses coming against teams ranked in the top 10, a loss to Iowa, which was ranked top 10 at one point, and Penn State..  Like it or not, that is progress too.

Time to accept the fact that the uniforms dont win games by themselves, as hard as that is to accept.   Rich Rod is building a good program, has proven to be a good guy (witness  dizzy Denard not going back in vs Illinois) and he is recruiting up a storm..

Dee Hart AND Justice Hayes? are you kidding?

The defensive recruits are next.

We are on the way back.  And so is Rich Rod

D Coordinator Candidate

D Coordinator Candidate

Submitted by Mr. McBlue and… on November 23rd, 2010 at 11:54 AM

Over a week ago, I suggested Pete Rekstis come up from Kent State to lead our defense next year.  http://mgoblog.com/mgoboard/if-not-gerg-then-who#comment-761264 (stats included in that post).

Well, as many of you know Kent State's head coach is resigning after this season (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/football/ncaa/wires/11/21/2060.ap.fbc.kent.st.coach.0224/index.html).

As an avid fan of good offenses and strong defenses, I believe we should make a run at this guy at the end of the season to be our D-Coordinator.

Harbaugh: The Universal Pipe Dream

Harbaugh: The Universal Pipe Dream

Submitted by bonobojones on November 23rd, 2010 at 11:51 AM

Living in San Francisco, my only regular contact to Michigan football besides games is Mgoblog, and a few other Michigan blogs (BWS, Touchthebanner.etc)  I don't get the full media experience of newspaper, talk radio, and nightly news that you get in Michigan.  But I do get the full load for the 49ers.  And it has been a funny week.  After both teams suffered big home losses after two game winning streaks, all those looking for hope are looking for Harbaugh. (49ers lost 21-0 to Tampa Bay, turns out Troy Smith is not the second comming of Steve Young like all the fans were saying the previous week.)  You can't listen to KNBR for more than 5 minutes without someone calling in to say how Harbaugh is ready for the Niners and wants to continue his battle with Pete Carrol. Here's an example from today's paper in San Jose.   It seems both fan bases are convinced that Harbaugh is the answer and he would drop everything for the job if offered.  Sorry, not all that informative of a topic, just an interesting observation on the universal reaction of fans when something bad happens.  They look to the hot name for the quick fix and renewed hope.

DetNews Article on Dave Brandon

DetNews Article on Dave Brandon

Submitted by Tha Quiet Storm on November 23rd, 2010 at 11:09 AM

It's written by Lynn Henning so take it for what it's worth.


Relevant bits:

"The past two years have been difficult, and while this year is feeling easier, (football) is still not where it needs to be," Brandon said, sitting at a small conference table, bottled water in hand.
"We got spoiled for 40 years. And let me tell you, our fans aren't very good at handling losing. And heaven forbid that they do."
"I think what we learned is that there are two ways for a leadership transition to take place," Brandon said, speaking of Carr's retirement in 2007.  "One is to have an internal candidate, and another is to have an external candidate.  "If it's internal, it makes it easier to adjust to the future, and if it's external, it's something of a disadvantage.  "Bo and Gary Moeller (Moeller succeeded Schembechler following the 1989 season) made for an easy transition.  They knew each other and coached together.  It was the same when Lloyd took over (1995).  But what we found out when Lloyd decided to retire is that there was no logical successor.
"There was going to be a new staff, a new philosophy. It created a stir in the program."  Brandon added: "Everybody wants to believe there's no price to be paid (for change)."
"If you want to coach here, you've got to understand the expectations are very high," he said.  "There are not a whole lot of things our coaches long for here. You come here, and we give you a lot of tools.  "We expect to compete, and we want to have a program that regularly competes for championships.  "If there is progress, we continue to invest in the program. If you wake up and see that we're moving sideways, and you don't see a clear path to success, that's when you think about making changes."

Ugly Game of the Week - Week 13 Edition

Ugly Game of the Week - Week 13 Edition

Submitted by stubob on November 23rd, 2010 at 11:08 AM

It's the Turkey Day Special! One team gets a three-peat, one team goes for a win and has a chance!, and two teams are happy it's basketball season. Unfortunately, Florida managed to avoid HORROR, so therefore there is no God. I was right all along. Bonus game: the Lions play the Patriots for all to see on Thursday. I know very little about the NFL, but I know that 8-2 versus 2-8 equals bad. But first:

Last week

Rutgers took possession of the Big East basement in impressive fashion by getting smoked by Cincinnati 69-38. Rugters gave up 660 yards of total offense, and had -9 yards on 27 carries. That's not very good. In fact, that's outstandingly bad. If I had post-season awards, that would get one. In fact, I may create post-season awards just to be able to give one to them for that. I don't remember ever seeing a negative total yardage. I don't think I've done that in NCAA football. Tecmo Bowl, maybe.

Idaho took care of Utah State (motto: What do you mean Utes is already taken?) 28-6 in a punt-fest that saw Utah State's punter outgain the offense. Utah State left their QB in for the entire game, even though he was 14 for 35 for 103 yards and 2 INTs. C'mon, throw a halfback pass or something.

Last, Tennessee limped past Vanderbilt and can become bowl-eligible if they beat Kentucky this week. Both teams were offensively ineffective, but Vandy's 20 for 41 passing, for 222 yards gets the "Sound and Fury, Signifying Nothing" award for the week.

This Week

The Alternative Thanksgiving Protein award this week goes to Akron versus Buffalo. Mmm, delicious Buffalo. Akron is the only team in D-I without a win, and Buffalo only has wins against Rhode Island and Bowling Green. Plus Buffalo is on the road. I didn't even realize that Buffalo's mascot is the Bulls, not the Buffalos. I mean, who else gets a chance to be the Buffalo Buffalo?

Hooray, it's basketball season in North Carolina, as Duke plays UNC in... football? Well, UNC's basketball team isn't doing much better. UNC has scraped out wins against the likes of William and Mary and Rutgers, but been competitive against FSU and Clemson. Duke, well, is Duke. They won shootouts with Virginia, Navy and Elon and that's it. Right, that takes care of that one.

Last, Vanderbilt gets an Award for Excellence in the Field of Outstanding Achievement for being mentioned three weeks in a row. This week they play Wake Forest who is holding down the ACC basement. Like the Big East, being at the bottom of the ACC is an accomplishment. Speaking of Duke, Wake Forest's last win came in week two against the Blue Devils, and has been off track since. Three points against NC State? Vandy has been equally bad, hosting a six-game losing streak of their own. I look forward to handing out my own Madden Golden Drumstick award to at least one of the punters in this game. Boom! Turducken-ed!

Mary Markley, get your act together and do THIS

Mary Markley, get your act together and do THIS

Submitted by M-Wolverine on November 23rd, 2010 at 10:27 AM

TennBlue posted this in another thread, and it really deserved more notice:

Mary Markley Dormitory

9:00 PM

November 17, 1977


TennBlue, post here, so everyone can upvote you again.  This awesomeness deserves it, and it deserves to be seen by more people. Front Page this!

Tuesday Stupid Stuff Open Thread

Tuesday Stupid Stuff Open Thread

Submitted by MGoTarHeel on November 23rd, 2010 at 10:01 AM

Have an opinion on UM football that has been covered hundreds of times here, but you just aren't ready to let go?

What do you really think about sending MSU to the Rose Bowl?

Have a link about Brad Childress?

Have tickets to last week's Wisconsin game that just won't sell?

Or do you just want to say something but are unsure whether it is deserving of its own thread?

Here is your official thread for all the dead-horse opinions, topics, jokes, links, "SIAP", and general crap that should not clutter up the board. Now you are utterly without excuses for making pointless threads.