OT - Shannon out at Miami

OT - Shannon out at Miami

Submitted by MGoAndy on November 27th, 2010 at 10:08 PM

Miami's Rivals site is reporting Randy Shannon and staff will be fired tomorrow.  Generally these Rivals sites are pretty good about being on this kind of stuff.  

I wasn't going to post this here but this gives me a bit more confidence, so take a rumor FWIW: Talked to a well-connected alum today who was extremely confident not only that Jim Harbaugh would be hired as the next coach of Michigan, but that Rich Rodriguez would be taking his talents to South Beach.  I'm still not overwhelmingly confident, but this is certainly an interesting development.  We'll see how this thing plays out I suppose.

Dear Mr. Rosenberg

Dear Mr. Rosenberg

Submitted by Section 1 on November 27th, 2010 at 10:07 PM

We don't want to hear it from you.  That is, we don't want to hear you wonder out loud what Michigan should do, or might do, with its football program.

We don't want to read you earnestly trying to figure it out, as though you were an honest broker of information, just trying to reach the right decision for the good of your alma mater.

We know; you've been campaigning, working, to get Rich Rodriguez fired, way before the 2010 or even the 2009 seasons began.

You didn't need to know the results of the games.  Rich Rodriguez is a guy who you hate, for reasons that escape us all and that you haven't made clear.

Now, when you write something like this:

This isn’t a video game. There are real people involved. Are the players being treated well? Are they being coached properly, or are they mostly getting yelled at and called names? Is Rodriguez recruiting players with the academic profile to succeed at U-M? How does he handle internal discipline, study table, injured players and unhappy players? Do all the angry former players have good reason to be angry?

we know exactly what to think, we know what your prejudices are, and we know exactly how to 'Fisk' your propaganda.

We know that you have concealed the identities of the unnamed former players, for no good journalistic reason.  We know to be suspicious of you and your "sources."

We know that when you dredge up things like the recruiting of players with an "academic profile to succeed at U-M" you are speaking in code, for a problem that you and your Freep colleagues tried to make much of, without merit or substance.

We know that when you make veiled references to coaching players "properly," yelling at players and "calling them names," you are speaking to a public that is so grossly ill-informed about Coach Rodriguez chiefly because you and your paper have committed some of the worst journalistic malpractice that the sporting scene in the state of Michigan has ever seen.

We know that you are infatuated with the notion of Jim Harbaugh coming back to Michigan; you have installed yourself on the Ground Floor of Harbaugh Inc. with your national love-letter to Jim and John in the October Sports Illustrated issue.

We know all of this, and it would be better and more honest if you just simply declared yourself and your paper to be sworn enemies of Coach Rich Rodriguez and the Michigan football program.  Because the pretense that you are a journalist, and an honest broker of information, no longer has any meaning.  You clearly don't care about the young men who are the student-athletes wearing the winged helmet. 

If you did care about those kids, you and Mark Snyder would not have abused Je'Ron Stokes and Brandin Hawthorne in August of 2009.  If you cared about the human interest stories that abound in the Michigan program, you'd have told Detroiters about what a fantastic young man Denard Robinson is; you'd have done the story of Brock Mealer; you'd tell people about the classy and astonishingly young kids like Jordan Kovacs, Ray Vinopal, Drew Dileo.

You're not going to do any of those things.

So just be honest.  Tell Detroit how much you really hate Rich Rodriguez.  And fill us in on the really curious story that nobody but you can tell -- why is it that you have taken on this vendetta?  What is your interest in undermining Michigan's football coach and, quite substantially, the Michigan football team? 

Enough with Kelly ABC!

Enough with Kelly ABC!

Submitted by Ziff72 on November 27th, 2010 at 9:21 PM

Maybe I'm defensive of Rich, but it's bad enough we're forced to watch the USC-ND game instead of Bedlam.    Could they please get off the tip of Kelly's dick?  He has legitimate excuses to why they suck, but enough already.   They got graphics and everything to show me how great a coach he is and why ND blows is not his fault plus the endless blathering of the announcers.

All RR gets is endless snide jokes about the defense with long shots of him seething on the sidelines.    

If I could have reached thru the screen and killed Millen when he was laughing about our shanked punt I would have.   Your whole GM career was a shank punt Matt, our kickers in Ann Arbor, because our coach has a little integrity and your laughing at us?  I want to kill you.

 

Alabama v Boise State

Alabama v Boise State

Submitted by MGlobules on November 27th, 2010 at 8:32 PM

After watching Alabama fold like a cheap suit against Auburn yesterday, I woke up to a variety of news stories (and posts here) claiming that that matchup had PROVED that Boise and other lesser-conference squads did not deserve to play in the championship game.

Granted, Boise State is removed from the championship picture. But tonight they are being derided as a team who collapsed when Auburn scored 25 unanswered points on ALABAMA in Bryant-Denny stadium last night.

What is the difference between the two collapses? And how does the SEC game prove that less-heralded conferences are undeserving? Didn't Utah beat the TAR out of Alabama in a bowl just two years ago? And why, for god's sakes, are B10 and Michigan fans drinking the SEC kool-aid?

(I'm not saying that the major conferences don't tend to be better top to bottom, btw. I'm just wondering whether people are so susceptible to the media hype--especially from the likes of Danielson and CBS Sports--that they can't accept that there are at least a FEW nuances to this debate.) 

Well...we're in better shape than Iowa

Well...we're in better shape than Iowa

Submitted by Ziff72 on November 27th, 2010 at 8:24 PM

I had a feeling the Hawkeyes might be demoralized after the last 2 weeks...that appears to be the case.   The good news for Iowa is they return their entire team...oh wait what check that they lose pretty much everyone.    

I'll look forward to kicking their ass in next year when they are breaking in there new qb and d line.

Does Iowa's loss move UM up the bowl ladder?

Does Iowa's loss move UM up the bowl ladder?

Submitted by Logan88 on November 27th, 2010 at 8:08 PM

I think most UM fans had assumed UM was going to be relegated to the Insight Bowl, but with Iowa's amazing choke at Minnesota does UM's bowl position improve?

Iowa, PSU, UM and N'Western are all tied with an overall record of 7-5 with Illinois possibly joining the mix if they beat Fresno State in Fresno. While Iowa and PSU both beat UM and have better conference records, bowl selection groups could still take UM over one or both of those teams. UM still is perceived as a "brand name" team and has not been to a bowl game in the preceding two seasons which might be enough to secure a higher than expected bowl bid.

If I had to lay money on it (Hey jamiemac, do you want to make up the odds for this?), I think UM gets picked ahead of Iowa but behind PSU and ends up in the Gator Bowl at this point.

contact Athletic Department and Brandon?

contact Athletic Department and Brandon?

Submitted by MGlobules on November 27th, 2010 at 7:40 PM

I'm figuring there's going to be an onslaught of negativity toward RichRod after today's debacle. It really was a bad day for Michigan and the football team (not too great for hoops, either). But I want to write to Brandon and tell him that I support the coach for at least one more year. For me, the calculus is pretty simple: a pattern of improvement against considerable odds and the chance to show, with a maturing team, that he can win. If we're changing horses we might as well do it a year from now, as RichRod's kids begin to move out of the program. Harbaugh can go screw up in the NFL, which won't be as much fun as Michigan would be anyway, and come here with NFL cache after fooling around there for a while; it doesn't follow that we'll never get him if we don't strike now. 

Has anyone got Brandon' s email address? (When you look up AD at UMich Athletics, surprisingly, a picture of Martin comes up--not super-professional, or expected, given that Brandon has elevated the office considerably since coming on board.) 

Thanks in advance, and I hope others will consider following suit. 

If not Harbaugh who is Plan B?

If not Harbaugh who is Plan B?

Submitted by mGrowOld on November 27th, 2010 at 7:16 PM

Not five seconds after the game ended my 63 year old brother was on the phone demanding that Rich be fired and Harbaugh be made the Head Coach.  He said he was "embarrassed" yet again and as a Michigan alumni he didn't much like being embarrassed.  He proceeded to list every play that went wrong and decided that they were all a function of poor coaching.  When I tried to reason with him on the age of the team we were fielding he gave me the "but we're Michigan" rationale that age was no excuse.  I listen to him for a while and then asked him "who do you want as coach if Harbaugh says no thanks".  He had no answer.

 I want to be VERY clear that I am still firmly in the keep RichRod camp.  If I was Brandon I would tell Rich that Gerg and all the D assistants have to go and that we're going to throw as much money as we can at the best DC we can find and let him pick his team. 

Now that I established where I fall on the coaching issue I have an open question to the anti-Rich faction of the board (and my brother).  If Harbaugh says no - who's your plan B?  Les Miles?  Cam Cameron? Chris Peterson?  Gary Patterson?  Who?  I think we need to look no further than South Bend to see what happens when you start making coaching changes without a solid replacement lined up. 

 There seems to be this presumption that Harbaugh would leap at the chance to come back home but what if he says no.  Then what?

The Struggles of Traditional Football Powers

The Struggles of Traditional Football Powers

Submitted by bklein09 on November 27th, 2010 at 7:07 PM

Here's some food for thought:

Texas: 5-7 (2-6) in 2010

Miami (YTM): 7-5 in 2010, 7-6 in 2008, 5-7 in 2007, 7-6 in 2006, etc

Notre Dame: lol, we all know about this one!

USC: 7-4 (4-4) in 2010, plus devastating sanctions

Florida: 7-5 (4-4) in 2010

Florida State: having a good year in 2010, but has been down a while compared to norms

Penn State: 7-5 (4-4) in 2010

Iowa: falls to 7-5 after losing to Minny today...same record as us, although better in BT play

(Yes I know Iowa is not a traditional power, but I still thought I'd throw them in here.)

I didn't even mention things like USC prior to Carrol or Bama prior to Saban. I also left out several other programs that used to be good but have really collapsed, such as Washington, etc. 

Now, I'm not trying to say that the past 3 seasons at Michigan are no big deal. What I am trying to say is that even the biggest and baddest programs take a step back every now and then. Michigan's step back has been one of the biggest. But we are slowly climbing back to what we used to be IMO, and regardless of whether or not you thought this program needed rebuilding to begin with, that is the reality now. 

This is probably the hardest time in the history of Michigan athletics to be a Michigan fan. But other programs have come out the other side, and I have faith that we will too. Keep the faith and Go Blue!

 

Applauding RR's integrity and courage for suspending Hagerup for OSU

Applauding RR's integrity and courage for suspending Hagerup for OSU

Submitted by Communist Football on November 27th, 2010 at 7:02 PM

Comrades,

As much as our special teams suffered for losing Hagerup, I have to admire RR for suspending him even though it had a huge negative impact on the game and given that RR is under fire professionally.  RR knows that if he lets Hagerup play in that situation, he'll never be able to enforce team rules again.  That is a guy who is trying to build a program, and whatever you think of RR, I respect him for that.

I wonder if we'll ever find out what Hagerup actually did.